Arkansas Bengal Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 NFL coach power rankings Elliot Harrison NFL Media analyst Who is your front man of choice? Eddie Vedder? David Lee Roth? Gordon Lightfoot? OK, many of you probably haven't heard of that last guy, but most assuredly you all know the NFL's 32 front men -- that is to say, the 32 head coaches I was tasked with ranking. Speaking of Lightfoot, if you could read my mind, you'd guess No. 1. Probably not No. 3, though. The challenging part: Weighing the stacked résumés of the Tom Coughlins of the world against the promise of successful upstarts like Chip Kelly. And in the late teens/early 20s, the process became increasingly difficult. We tried to balance "What have you done for me lately?" and career accomplishments. Michael Conroy/Associated Press 12. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals Lewis, who had never been a head coach before landing the Bengals job, is entering his 13th season in Cincinnati, giving him the second-longest tenure among NFL coaches with their current teams, behind only Bill Belichick (who is entering his 16th season in New England). That is obviously impressive in this day and age of merry-go-round coaching hires, dismissals and "mutual" splits. So is the fact that Cincy has made the playoffs in five of the last six seasons. At some point, of course, the Bengals will actually have to win a playoff game, or history will look at Lewis as just a guy. http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000499554/nfl-coach-power-rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 The definition of Status Quo..... Elliott Harrison 2015 12. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals Lewis, who had never been a head coach before landing the Bengals job, is entering his 13th season in Cincinnati, giving him the second-longest tenure among NFL coaches with their current teams, behind only Bill Belichick (who is entering his 16th season in New England). That is obviously impressive in this day and age of merry-go-round coaching hires, dismissals and "mutual" splits. So is the fact that Cincy has made the playoffs in five of the last six seasons. At some point, of course, the Bengals will actually have to win a playoff game, or history will look at Lewis as just a guy. Elliott Harrison 2014 15) Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals You're staring at the longest-tenured head coach in the NFL not named Bill Belichick. It's a bit surprising, given the Bengals' lack of postseason success and Lewis' so-so popularity, both in town and in league circles. None of this is to say he hasn't done a nice job, considering this team was nothing short of awful from 1991 to 2002. Lewis took charge in 2003, taking Cincy to the playoffs in '05, '09, '11, '12 and '13. Still, no postseason wins to date. Elliot Harrison 2013 14) Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals Here's an under appreciated head coach. He's not the best coach in the league, but he has been steady. The Bengals have gone to the playoffs in three of the last four seasons and are definitely a club on the upswing. That said, Lewis really could use a postseason win to enhance his standing among his peers. Elliott Harrison 2012 14. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals Would you believe the third longest tenured head coach in the NFL is Marvin Lewis? The former Ravens defensive coordinator has been at it since 2003 and should be given credit for bringing this club back to respectability, with three playoff appearances since 2005. Considering Cincy hadn't gone in over a decade prior to his arrival, that ain't bad. But it's time to win a playoff game. Some Bengals fans are ready to see a new head coach on the sideline. At least they won't have to see Chris Crocker letting people run by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 These rankings seem about right. I'd be all for replacing Marvin if a proven upgrade was available, but those type of guys are usually not looking for jobs. He probably should have been gone after the '10 season, but since then he has improved enough to keep his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Harley| Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 If Marvin and the Bengals parted ways, he would have offers in the first 24 hours. Owners love the turnaround and stability he brings. Unfortunately his shelf life in Cincy has expired, common to nearly every coach. Time for new fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Orange Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Whether it's quarterback rankings or coach rankings, you know Dalton and Lewis are going to be middle of the pack before you click on the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Whether it's quarterback rankings or coach rankings, you know Dalton and Lewis are going to be middle of the pack before you click on the link. Which is odd considering most teams haven't made the playoffs 4 years running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Which is odd considering most teams haven't made the playoffs 4 years running. First of all 13 teams have won playoff games in the last 4 years. 8 teams have been to the playoffs at least 3 of the last 4 years. All of them except 1 has MULTIPLE playoff victories. 4 of those 8 have 5 or more wins in the playoffs the last 4 years. How you perform in the playoffs will influence the voters good and bad. His last line says it all: " At some point, of course, the Bengals will actually have to win a playoff game, or history will look at Lewis as just a guy. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 First of all 13 teams have won playoff games in the last 4 years. 8 teams have been to the playoffs at least 3 of the last 4 years. And how many the last 4 straight? Either way that would place them #9 at worst, by my count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalRugby Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 First of all 13 teams have won playoff games in the last 4 years. 8 teams have been to the playoffs at least 3 of the last 4 years. All of them except 1 has MULTIPLE playoff victories. 4 of those 8 have 5 or more wins in the playoffs the last 4 years. How you perform in the playoffs will influence the voters good and bad. His last line says it all: " At some point, of course, the Bengals will actually have to win a playoff game, or history will look at Lewis as just a guy. " How many teams have won postseason games in the past 13 years, as that is Marvin's resume as the Bengals HC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 How many teams have won postseason games in the past 13 years, as that is Marvin's resume as the Bengals HC... Jeff Fisher won one 11 years ago. Do you consider him a better coach than Marvin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Jeff Fisher won one 11 years ago. Do you consider him a better coach than Marvin? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Jeff Fisher won one 11 years ago. Do you consider him a better coach than Marvin? Jeff Fisher won one 11 years ago. Do you consider him a better coach than Marvin? Yes It has been 7 years since Fisher had a winning season. Over the last 11 years Fisher is 12 games under .500 (74-86) with only 2 winning seasons and zero playoff wins. You think that is better than making the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimKrumrieFan Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 It has been 7 years since Fisher had a winning season. Over the last 11 years Fisher is 12 games under .500 (74-86) with only 2 winning seasons and zero playoff wins. You think that is better than making the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years? Fisher is a horrible coach. Steve Mcnair and Eddie George made him look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalRugby Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Jeff Fisher won one 11 years ago. Do you consider him a better coach than Marvin? Jeff Fisher has a better coaching career than Black Jesus. At this point, I would take him over Marvin in a heartbeat. Consider all the talent Marvin has had here and still not managed a playoff win, his time should have been up a while ago... 0.524 winning percentage in the regular season and 0.455 in the post season sure beats 0.526 in the regular season and 0.000 (0-6) in the post seeason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimKrumrieFan Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Jeff Fisher has a better coaching career than Black Jesus. At this point, I would take him over Marvin in a heartbeat. Consider all the talent Marvin has had here and still not managed a playoff win, his time should have been up a while ago... 0.524 winning percentage in the regular season and 0.455 in the post season sure beats 0.526 in the regular season and 0.000 (0-6) in the post seeason... Fisher has had some talented teams and hasn't sniffed the playoffs in a LONG LONG time. Give Marvin a franchise QB like a Steve Mcnair who plays for 10+ seasons and I bet Marvin would have quite a few playoff wins too. Take away Carson's knee injury and this board is praising Marvin Lewis until the day he dies. He couldn't save Palmers knee and fix his brain afterwards...damn him. And damn Marvin for not falling into another franchise QB again. If he was a bad coach we would have lost enough to land another franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalRugby Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Fisher has had some talented teams and hasn't sniffed the playoffs in a LONG LONG time. Give Marvin a franchise QB like a Steve Mcnair who plays for 10+ seasons and I bet Marvin would have quite a few playoff wins too. Take away Carson's knee injury and this board is praising Marvin Lewis until the day he dies. He couldn't save Palmers knee and fix his brain afterwards...damn him. And damn Marvin for not falling into another franchise QB again. If he was a bad coach we would have lost enough to land another franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Consider all the talent Marvin has had here and still not managed a playoff win, his time should have been up a while ago... And if Fisher is such a great coach why hasn't he even had a single winning season in 7 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 All the stats/awards, et al aside....Mike Tomlin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalRugby Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 And if Fisher is such a great coach why hasn't he even had a single winning season in 7 years? Moving the goalposts again, but I'll make my point here as well. Of course Fisher had talented teams, and he had wins in the post season. Marvin has had talented teams and zero post season wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Moving the goalposts again, but I'll make my point here as well. Of course Fisher had talented teams, and he had wins in the post season. Marvin has had talented teams and zero post season wins. Fisher can't even get to the postseason anymore. Dom Capers won a postseason game. Do you think he is better than Marvin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Since everyone cries that Pro bowl are just "popularity contests" voted on by fans, lets look at All-Pro players. Here is who Fisher had with the Oilers/Titans OT Bruce Matthews..........3 times DT Albert Haynesworth....2 times RB Eddie George RB Chris Johnson DE Jevon Kearse WR Derrick Mason OC Kevin Mawae LB Keith Bullock OT Michael Roos CB Courtland Finnagan CB Samari Rolle P Craig Hentrich PK Rob Bironas And that is in addition to these pro bowl players QB Steve McNair TE Frank Wychek DE Kyle Vandenbosch OG Mark Stepnoski OT Brad Hopkins FS Michael Griffen DE Kevin Carter LB John Henry Mills DB Darryl Lewis DB Chris Hope QB Kerry Collins QB Vince Young WR Marc Mariani LB Jason Babin That is 13 All Pros and 14 more Pro Bowlers. By comparison Marvin has had 5 All Pros and 11 Pro Bowlers. Yet Marvin has had just as many winning seasons with the Bengals in 12 years as Fisher had with the Oilers/Titans in 16 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Since everyone cries that Pro bowl are just "popularity contests" voted on by fans, lets look at All-Pro players. Here is who Fisher had with the Oilers/Titans OT Bruce Matthews..........3 times DT Albert Haynesworth....2 times RB Eddie George RB Chris Johnson DE Jevon Kearse WR Derrick Mason OC Kevin Mawae LB Keith Bullock OT Michael Roos CB Courtland Finnagan CB Samari Rolle P Craig Hentrich PK Rob Bironas And that is in addition to these pro bowl players QB Steve McNair TE Frank Wychek DE Kyle Vandenbosch OG Mark Stepnoski OT Brad Hopkins FS Michael Griffen DE Kevin Carter LB John Henry Mills DB Darryl Lewis DB Chris Hope QB Kerry Collins QB Vince Young WR Marc Mariani LB Jason Babin That is 13 All Pros and 14 more Pro Bowlers. By comparison Marvin has had 5 All Pros and 11 Pro Bowlers. Yet Marvin has had just as many winning seasons with the Bengals in 12 years as Fisher had with the Oilers/Titans in 16 years. Mehh, I don't give a shit about Jeff Fisher. I give a shit that time after time Marvin gets outcoached during halftime in big games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalRugby Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Fisher can't even get to the postseason anymore. Dom Capers won a postseason game. Do you think he is better than Marvin? Keep spinning fred, keep spinning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnickyCat Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 I give a shit that time after time Marvin gets outcoached during halftime in big games. He definitely does in the playoffs....fo sho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Fisher can't even get to the postseason anymore. Dom Capers won a postseason game. Do you think he is better than Marvin? It hilarious that you search the ranks of the coaches to find the few outliers that will prove your point. Lets just concentrate on our own conference with the current coaches, you know, how the rest of the working world is judged. Marvin Lewis: 12 season 0-6 in the playoffs all Wildcard losses. It has been 14 years since Lewis was part of a playoff win, the same year the iPod (NOT iPhone) came out. Cleveland: Marvin has done better than Cleveland. Mike Tomlin: 8 season 5-4 in the playoffs, 2 AFC Championships, 1 Lombardi Trophy. John Harbaugh: 7 seasons 10-5 in the playoffs, 1 AFC Championship (played in 3), 1 Lombardi Trophy, 6 WILDCARD WINS. He has been to the playoffs 6 of 7 years. You are judged against your peers, not Dom Capers. Marvin Lewis simply can't get it done in prime time when the nation is watching. He has done better than Dick Lebeau, David Shula and Coslet......yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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