gatorclaws Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Any specific guys that would be a good value and meet a need in the later rounds? I'd like to see Clint Boling with the 4th. Maybe one of the safeties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 gotta be OL or safety IMO, probably safety. I'd really like them to get FS Robert Sands or SS Deandre McDaniel at safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The inmates of the nati Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='gatorclaws' timestamp='1304131286' post='988853'] Any specific guys that would be a good value and meet a need in the later rounds? I'd like to see Clint Boling with the 4th. Maybe one of the safeties. [/quote] I want the same guy, just kick him inside to play guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [b]ST - (K) Alex Henery OL - (T) Marcus Cannon, (T) James Brewer, (T) Lee Ziemba, (G) Zach Hurd Defense - (DE) Pierre Allen, (DE) Greg Romeus, (LB) K.J. Wright, (DT) Jerrell Powe Offense - (RB) Jacquizz Rodgers, (RB) Delone Carter, (RB) Roy Helu Jr., (QB) Ricky Stanzi, (WR) Tandon Doss, (WR) Niles Paul, (WR) Ricardo Lockette, (WR) Tori Gurley, (WR) DeAndre Brown [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRAPradio Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Rob Sands from WVU would be a great pick in the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalbutch Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Robert Sands would be Epic ! Big hard hitting safety who can run and cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishBengal Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Quinton Carter is still available, better than Robert Sands imho. Would be a steal in 4. Grab Marcus Cannon or Clint Boling in 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBR Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Marcus Cannon (OT / OG), Robert Sands (S), and most importantly: Taiwan Jones (RB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalbutch Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='EnglishBengal' timestamp='1304132029' post='988865'] Quinton Carter is still available, better than Robert Sands imho. Would be a steal in 4. Grab Marcus Cannon or Clint Boling in 5. [/quote] Not according to Bill Parcells: FS/SS 1. Rahim Moore 2. DeAndre McDaniel 3. Robert Sands 4. Chris Conte 5. Quinton Carter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 I like Sands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodey1971 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Would love Sands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eva4ben-gal Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 DeAndre McDaniel or Robert Sands would both be cool in the fourth. So would Georgia's Clint Boling. Cannon's health issues are too scarey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah15 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Robert sands can become a beast,we better get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDawgBengal Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 From Marvin Lewis [quote][b]After coaching at the Senior Bowl, do you still feel like there are some offensive lineman out there on the board?[/b] [b]ML[/b]: “Yeah. One guy went yesterday at No. 27 or 28. He was one of those guys who we had our eye on hoping he’d get to the 35th pick. He would be one in that group. There are a bunch of guys, though, that will be in the fourth and fifth round that we’re hoping to get a shot at and continue to evolve our youth and depth on the offensive front. Possibly (it will be) the same in the secondary, and possibly at running back. We have some spots that we can fill in.”[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightWithin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Quinton Carter x2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='BigDawgBengal' timestamp='1304135785' post='988897'] From Marvin Lewis [/quote] sounds like lewis was talking about gabe carimi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDawgBengal Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='bengaled' timestamp='1304136080' post='988900'] sounds like lewis was talking about gabe carimi. [/quote] Yea. Makes me wonder what they would have done if both Dalton and Carimi were on the board at 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='BigDawgBengal' timestamp='1304136181' post='988901'] Yea. Makes me wonder what they would have done if both Dalton and Carimi was on the board at 35. [/quote] well, it sounded rather obvious by the way he said that, though i find it surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 So I think at this point we still have to look at our gaping needs that have not been addressed OL and S as well as niche spots. Our current roster is.... QB Palmer 2014 © Dalton Round 2 Palmer 2010 ® LeFevour 2013 RB Scott 2012 Leonard 2010 ® Peerman 2011 FB Pressley 2011 Vakapuna 2011 Develin 2011 WR Green Round 1 Caldwell 2011 WR Ochocinco 2011 © Simpson 2011 Hodge 2011 WR Shipley 2013 Cosby 2011 TE Gresham 2014 Coffman 2012 Mills 2011 LT Whitworth 2013 Collins 2011 Mitchell 2011 Gardner 2011 LG Livings 2010 ® Shirley 2011 C Cook 2010 ® Stephens 2013 RG Williams 2011 Hudson 2013 RT Smith 2014 Roland 2010 ® Chambers 2010 ® K Stitser 2011 Nugent 2011 P Huber 2012 LS Harris 2011 LE Geathers 2012 Rucker 2011 Ayendeju 2011 LT Peko 2014 Atkins 2013 McDonald 2011 RT Johnson 2013 Sims 2011 RE Dunlap 2013 Odom 2012 Ruffin 2011 SLB Johnson 2012 Moch Round 3 Skuta 2011 MLB Mualaga 2012 Muckleroy 2013 WLB Rivers 2013 Johnson 2010 ® Rey 2011 S Crocker 2012 Nelson 2011 Nelson 2011 White 2010 ® S Ndukwe 2010 ® Murray 2011 Miles 2011 CB Hall 2011 Trent 2012 Bennett 2011 Wade 2011 CB Joseph 2010 ® Jones 2011 Ghee 2013 Pender 2011 So where can a draft pick make this team? Interior OL, S.... QB-Not going to take another guy early but if Stanzi is there in 7 I would consider Shuler/Frerotting him. RB-Maybe but I would probably wait a round. Bilal Powell is one of my favorite players in the entire draft so I would not mind grabbing him. Kendall Hunter from Oke State is one of the top players left. WR-Not necessarily a need but this is a deep WR draft and notables Tandon Doss and Dwayne Harris are still available TE-Waiting to get our niche blocking TE later in the draft. OL-NEED to grab someone. Clint Boling makes the most sense and I hope he is there. Marcus Cannon might be worth the risk, definitely in Round 5 or 6. Id be ok with Alex Linnenkohl as a potential eventual C and swing interior backup now. David Arkin and Lee Ziemba might be solid guys now as well but I would wait for now. DL-Christian Ballard was another guy who dropped. The Iowa DT seems to have a ton of upside and could replace Tank, although I don't really see the reason for it. Coming out of the next two rounds with one of Acho, Romeus, Beal or Mathews would be nice although maybe redundant to Moch. LB-This is probably where I would draft someone in round 4 if Boling is gone. Quan Sturdivant could be a steal although a bit redundant at MLB. Another SLB in Beal, Mathews or Carter could go a long way to finding a capable starter there. Even Ross Homan might be an option to replace Brandon Johnson who may be unrestricted. DB-Dont know enough Round 4 Big Board C-G, S, SLB Clint Boling 6-4 308 Georgia Alex Linnenkohl 6-1 304 Oregon St Chris Carter 6-1 248 Fresno St Ross Homan 6-0 240 OSU David Arkin 6-4 300 Missouri St Lee Ziemba 6-5 317 Auburn Christian Ballard 6-3 283 Iowa Marcus Cannon 6-5 358 TCU Bilal Powell 5-10 207 Lou Quan Sturdivant 6-1 241 NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 4. DeAndre McDaniel 5. Greg Jones 6. Marcus Cannon 7. Roy Helu 8. Lapham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eva4ben-gal Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 One guy I would love to see them take on Saturday is DJ Williams,the TE from Arkansas. It would only work if he could play FB/H-back for us and I have no idea if he could play fullback or if Gruden has any room in the offense for an H-back but he would be an awesome threat to add on third downs or as a play action option on any other down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Moffit..is he still there? Just curious. Im on my phone and its a pain in the ass to look stuff up. Sands jacquizz rodgers /taiwan jones Dj williams Cannon Greg jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eva4ben-gal Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='JC' timestamp='1304143164' post='988944'] Moffit..is he still there? Just curious. Im on my phone and its a pain in the ass to look stuff up. Sands jacquizz rodgers /taiwan jones Dj williams Cannon Greg jones [/quote] Moffitt was picked by the Seahawks in the third round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='eva4ben-gal' timestamp='1304143297' post='988946'] Moffitt was picked by the Seahawks in the third round [/quote] Ffuuuucccckkkk. I want to out my head through a wall. We really need a guard who isnt the biggest project in the world. Suppose we oughta try hard to get cannon and hope he pans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalbutch Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 2011 NFL Draft Best Players Available OLB Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina 6-1, 241 (OLB) CFN Overall Ranking: 41 CFN Analysis: A short, squatty hitter who doesn’t necessarily have the right body or the right look, but he has great instincts, is smart, tough, and is always around the ball. Not quite ideal to be used as a playmaker in the backfield from the outside, he’s not going to be a pass rusher, but he knows what he’s doing and always finds ways to get around the ball. He’s not going to be the best linebacker in a corps, but he could be the leader everyone works around. No, he wasn’t part of the Tar Heels who got in trouble with the NCAA, but he did miss the opener against LSU before getting cleared to get back on the field, CFN Projection: Third Round SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson (SS) 6-0, 217 CFN Overall Ranking: 51 CFN Analysis: Big and strong, he’s an intimidating force who looks the part and knows how to use his lumber to beat up receivers. He’s like another linebacker on the field, but he moves better with good cutting ability and all-around athleticism. He’s the type of run stopper who can hold up in a brawl, and he’ll also make plays in the open field. However, he missed on a few too many easy plays and bounces off ball-carriers a bit too often. For his size and toughness he gets buried way too easily and he’ll have to learn how to fight through the trash. There are concerns from a past assault and battery charge, but that was a few years ago. CFN Projection: Fourth Round OG Marcus Cannon, TCU (OT) 6-5, 358 CFN Overall Ranking: 55 CFN Analysis: Extremely productive at a high level for a long time, Cannon was a terrific all-star at tackle and was the key part of some offensive machines. He might be 358 pounds, but he moves like a much smaller player and he carries the weight shockingly well. While he might not be for everyone body-wise, and he doesn’t use his girth to bury defenders on a regular basis, but his shocking combination of talents is enough to expect a long, solid career. CFN Projection: Second Round OLB Greg Jones, Michigan State 6-0, 242 CFN Overall Ranking: 58 CFN Analysis: Phenomenally productive, Jones was a four-year star for the Spartans making 465 tackles as the peerless leader of the defense. While he was a slight disappointment last year considering all the high expectations, he was the best linebacker in college football in 2009 doing a little bit of everything as a pass rusher and a run stopper. He’s not all that tall, but he’s a compact rock who comes up with every tackle he gets to. With the makeup and the smarts, he has the ability to sit in the middle of someone’s linebacking corps, but he’s quick enough to work on the weakside on in a 3-4 inside spot if needed. He’s not going to blow anyone up and he could stand to add another ten pounds of good weight, but he can’t really add it without losing something. He’s a better football player than his tools. CFN Projection: Third Round OG Clint Boling, Georgia (OT) 6-5, 308 CFN Overall Ranking: 59 CFN Analysis: While he’s not a massive blocker and he’s not going to get much bigger, he’s a nice, tough run blocker who always works and has the skills to work inside or out. He moves well, can get on the move and make things happen down the field, and he’s functional enough to battle in a phone booth against the weaker defensive tackles. He’s not going to beat anyone up and he’s not going to handle NFL speed rushers if he moves to tackle, but he’s a good, sound player who’ll have added value because of his versatility. CFN Projection: Second Round OLB Casey Matthews, Oregon 6-1, 231 CFN Overall Ranking: 65 CFN Analysis: While he’s not his brother, Clay, talent-wise, he’s a typical Matthews with a good motor and tremendous instincts. Always around the ball and always making plays, he makes up for his lack of raw athleticism by being in the right position at the right time. A good football player without the tools, the family name will buy him several draft slots, but he has to work to get bigger and stronger to hold down a steady job on the inside. He’ll be a starter who’ll make plenty of plays, but there’s a hard ceiling on what he can end up doing. No one’s going to worry about his hitting skills and he’s not going to get into the backfield, but his stats will look good. CFN Projection: Third Round SS Robert Sands, West Virginia 6-4, 217 (Jr.) CFN Overall Ranking: 66 CFN Analysis: One of the most interesting prospects in the draft, he’s huge, long, and very cut. There’s almost no fat on him and he’s able to use his frame and look as an intimidating force. A major-league hitter, arguably the best among the 2011 defensive backs, he blows up anyone with the ball, but that’s not always a plus. He tries for the highlight reel hit way too often and has the attitude that makes him want to be showy when making the routine play would do. Not strong enough, he has to hit the weight room hard to hold up better against the run. Still raw, he needs time and coaching, but the upside it limitless. CFN Projection: Fourth Round DE Pernell McPhee, Mississippi State 6-3, 274 CFN Overall Ranking: 67 CFN Analysis: Huge, he fits into just about any system and can hold up as well against the run as any end in the draft. He’s a high-character leader who wants to be the main man for the line, he’s always working and he’s great at leading by example. Strong, he doesn’t get pushed around and he’ll fight through the lazier linemen. However, he’s not a top pass rusher and he can be stopped by a good, sound blocker. More of an NFL plugger than a star, he’ll be the type of starter who’s on a line for a decade, but generally goes unnoticed … but not always in a bad way. CFN Projection: Fourth Round CB Brandon Burton, Utah 6-0, 190 (Jr.) CFN Overall Ranking: 70 CFN Analysis: With enough size and enough toughness to hang with the stronger receivers, and just enough speed to get by against the faster ones, he’s a good all-around prospect. Not great, but good. The 4.51 40 at the Combine was a problem, and for some, the 8 ½” hands are considered a major negative, but he has the right attitude, is quick, and seems to play faster than he times. Not quite a good enough hitter to move to safety, he could be locked into being a No. 3 corner with his less than ideal athleticism. Even so, he’s a good football player who can be a nice part of a secondary that’s already full of good playmakers. CFN Projection: Third Round DE Sam Acho, Texas 6-2, 262 CFN Overall Ranking: 71 CFN Analysis: One of the highest-character players in the draft, he’ll win the NFL Man of the Year before his career is out. On the field, he’s a supreme athlete who leads by example and will always bring the A effort to every practice and ever play. It would be nice if he was a little bigger and wasn’t so short and squatty, and he didn’t produce as well as a player with his talent should, getting erased by too many good blockers. He was always a good prospect and then he upped his stock in a big way at the Combine and at the Senior Bowl. He’ll be the type of player every team wants to have, and he’ll be great in the locker room. CFN Projection: Third Round RB Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State 5-7, 199 CFN Overall Ranking: 73 CFN Analysis: He’s very fast, very tough, and he has no problems fighting for yards, but he’s way too small to be an every down back. He’s not afraid to work between the tackles and he has the wheels to fly around on the outside, but he’s going to get beaten up. While he tried to get on the field in2009, he was banged up and couldn’t get over an ankle problem. He’ll try to block and he’ll try to be physical, but he doesn’t have the bulk. There’s no questioning his desire or his toughness, and he’ll have a few games here and there where he looks like an All-Pro. He’s just not going to do it for a full season. CFN Projection: Third Round WR Dwayne Harris, East Carolina 5-10, 200 CFN Overall Ranking: 74 CFN Analysis: An excellent route runner who runs well and tries to beat people up as a blocker, Harris has the fight and the toughness to be a coach’s dream. With huge hands, he snatches everything that comes his way, and he isn’t afraid to take a big shot or try to come up with the big catch. He doesn’t have special skills and he isn’t as weight room strong as he needs to be to play the type of game he likes, but he should be a great No. 2 receiver who’ll be used in a variety of ways. Durability is a question, but he should carve out a long, productive career. CFN Projection: Third Round OLB Colin McCarthy, Miami 6-3, 238 (OLB) CFN Overall Ranking: 75 CFN Analysis: It’s a shame he doesn’t have better tools. He has everything you’d want in a linebacker makeup-wise, with a willingness to do anything, including play on special teams, and he’ll work inside, outside, or wherever he’s needed. A pure football play who’s very smart, very active, and always plays like his hair is on fire, he’ll be tough to keep off the field. The problem is his lack of size, and while he’s not built for the inside he’ll battle hard to try to hold up against the bigger blockers. He’ll always be banged up with the way he’ll play and he missed a full season with a shoulder injury; he’ll never shy away from contact. Coaches will love him, but they’re always going to have to assume he’ll miss at least a few games a year hurt. CFN Projection: Third Round DE Cliff Matthews, South Carolina 6-4, 257 CFN Overall Ranking: 76 CFN Analysis: It should all be there with a great frame, a chiseled physique, and good quickness, but he’s not as fluid as he needs to be for an outside linebacker, and he’s not quite there bulk-wise to be a regular, consistent end. Tough, he’s willing to work and willing to do whatever is needed to try to produce and make a play. Consistent, he doesn’t make a slew of mistakes. The tweener issue will limit what he can do, and he’s not a creative pass rusher, but he should be a nice starter and a great part of a rotation as long as the rest of the line has talent. CFN Projection: Fourth Round OT James Brewer, Indiana 6-6, 323 CFN Overall Ranking: 77 The size is there and the frame is ideal, but can he stay healthy? Can he push anyone around in the running game? He’s missing the ability to destroy his man and he’s not going to be a killer for a tough ground game, and he’s not consistent enough as a pass protector. He’s quick for his size, but he needs work to harness all his tools to become an NFL left tackle. There’s huge upside considering his size. CFN Projection: Third Round RB Jordan Todman, Connecticut 5-9, 203 (Jr.) CFN Overall Ranking: 78 CFN Analysis: Tough as nails, the guy took a huge beating over the course of his career as the lone offensive weapon and a one-track UConn attack. While he ran with great power and isn’t afraid to get his nose dirty, he opened eyes with his terrific timed speed in workouts, hovering around the 4.4 mark. He’s not going to be able to shove anyone around in the NFL like he did in the Big East, and he’s not all that big, but he cuts well, won’t back down from an assignment, and is a high-character player who’ll be easily coachable. CFN Projection: Third Round DT Christian Ballard, Iowa (DE) 6-4, 283 CFN Overall Ranking: 79 CFN Analysis: Quick and athletic enough to work as an end, and with the toughness to work inside, he works in any scheme. He’s a fast playmaker who can get to the ball and into the backfield in a hurry, and he’s slippery enough to avoid staying blocked for too long, and he upped his stock in a big way proving to be even better than expected during offseason workouts. He doesn’t have the raw bulk and the mass to be a run-stuffing brick wall, and he has to show he wants to destroy blockers and kill the ball-carrier, but he’s so athletic and so quick that he could be one of the steals of the draft with the right coaching. CFN Projection: Second Round RB Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State 5-6, 196 CFN Overall Ranking: 81 CFN Analysis: The knock will always be his size, but raw speed is now a question, too. Everyone knew he was small, and then he checked in at under 5-6 and there was even more of a red mark next to his name. Making matters worse was his horrendous 40 time running just a 4.64. Ultra durable, he’s one big muscle and he has to be dragged off the field. Very quick, very tough, and very productive, he has the résumé and the talent, but there’s not much tread on the tires after taking a beating for the last three years and, of course, there’s the size. He’ll likely be a very good role player who comes up with a big game here and there. CFN Projection: Third Round QB Ricky Stanzi, Iowa 6-4, 223 CFN Overall Ranking: 82 CFN Analysis: Opinions have always varied for the Iowa star. While he has the NFL height and a good look with excellent mechanics and an Elway-like knack for coming through in the clutch – at least as a junior – but there are too many missing parts. The arm is mediocre and he doesn’t throw well in the face of a top pass rush (if you listen quietly, Arizona just came up with another fourth quarter hurry). With the right tutor, and if he can suppress his goofy streak, he could be a sleeper starter, but the upside is limited. He’ll be overdrafted. CFN Projection: Third Round FS Deunta Williams, North Carolina 6-2, 205 CFN Overall Ranking: 84 CFN Analysis: With good size and excellent speed, Williams is built to be an NFL free safety. He runs a 4.55 and has a long frame that’s great for hanging around with the taller receivers. A battler, he’s a very coachable, very good worker who likes to fight to make things happen. However, he’s not going to deliver the big hit and he doesn’t have the functional speed to match his straight line wheels. He has a lot of the tools, but he was mostly helped by being surrounded by a ton of talented players to help hide his mistakes. He might not be a special starter, but he’ll be functional in someone’s secondary for a long time if he can come back 100% healthy after suffering a broken leg in the Music City Bowl. If he was healthy, he’d be a sure-thing top 100 pick. He’ll heal. CFN Projection: Fifth Round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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