TigerJ@w Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 [quote name='BengalBacker' timestamp='1349642304' post='1167641'] Agreed [/quote] I too agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ@w Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 [quote name='Lewdog' timestamp='1349644250' post='1167662'] Dude the sky isn't falling. The Bengals were in the playoffs last year and are 2-2 this year. Did you expect this team to go undefeated or something? They are still very young, sure you don't hope they lose games, but you have to still expect some growing pains. You have to take into account this team has had a lot of injuries and some of the guys are spending more time out on the field than usual. I repeat, the sky is not falling. [/quote] The Mantra for Bengals fans since 1992. Tough schedule is about to come up, but do not let that get in the way of your thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 As a coach once said " you play to win the game " hoping or perceiving one thing or another from an opponent is pointless. You play to win, and put yourself and your team in the best position to do so. You pitch a shutout from your defense from that point on and you try to score as many points as possible. I understand that I'm just a couch coach but in my eyes Marvin did not leave it all on the field today. Yes the colts beat the pack, cards beat the pats, etc but in no way does that mean its cool for another rookie QB to walk away from the bengals with a win. History tends to repeat to too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewdog Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 [quote name='TigerJ@w' timestamp='1349649877' post='1167748'] The Mantra for Bengals fans since 1992. Tough schedule is about to come up, but do not let that get in the way of your thinking. [/quote] You are right, that is what some people felt back in the 90's. That's when the dead cat bounce started. The Bengals would play well at the end of one year even though they weren't going to make the playoffs, they would give fans optimism for next year. The thing is, this team isn't being lead by David Klingler, Ki-jana Carter, or Peter Warrick. These guys have shown some real stuff to show they deserve to be a better than .500 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDingleDangle Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Its not just Bengals fans who seemed to find it an odd call [url="http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/07/marvin-lewis-tried-a-field-goal-down-by-4-with-3-minutes-left/"]http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/07/marvin-lewis-tried-a-field-goal-down-by-4-with-3-minutes-left/[/url] They actually break it down to probability of winning [color=#333333]Cincinnati had about a 31.6% of winning by going for it.[/color] [color=#333333][background=rgb(255, 255, 254)]Bengals chances were about 18.1% by kicking (this is including an 83% chance of making the FG)[/background][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewdog Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 [quote name='MrDingleDangle' timestamp='1349650938' post='1167753'] Its not just Bengals fans who seemed to find it an odd call [url="http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/07/marvin-lewis-tried-a-field-goal-down-by-4-with-3-minutes-left/"]http://www.thebiglea...3-minutes-left/[/url] They actually break it down to probability of winning [color=#333333]Cincinnati had about a 31.6% of winning by going for it.[/color] [color=#333333][background=rgb(255, 255, 254)]Bengals chances were about 18.1% by kicking (this is including an 83% chance of making the FG)[/background][/color] [/quote] Are you talking about not going for it on third down or not going for the two-point conversion? The two calls have become a little intertwined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 [quote name='kennethmw' timestamp='1349644751' post='1167669'] STFU. [/quote] I would say this is black on black posting crime but you both are white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONYX Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Is Sneaky gonna have to choke a bitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 The other bad decision: Letting Chad into the locker room after a loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1349651651' post='1167755'] I would say this is black on black posting crime but you both are white. [/quote] Who do you think the black guy with B in my avatar is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhfinks Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Chad' timestamp='1349655676' post='1167772'] The other bad decision: Letting Chad into the locker room after a loss [/quote] ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalbutch Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='MrDingleDangle' timestamp='1349650938' post='1167753'] Its not just Bengals fans who seemed to find it an odd call [url="http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/07/marvin-lewis-tried-a-field-goal-down-by-4-with-3-minutes-left/"]http://www.thebiglea...3-minutes-left/[/url] They actually break it down to probability of winning [color=#333333]Cincinnati had about a 31.6% of winning by going for it.[/color] [color=#333333][background=rgb(255, 255, 254)]Bengals chances were about 18.1% by kicking (this is including an 83% chance of making the FG)[/background][/color] [/quote] Of course it was odd. When they showed Daltons face you could see him yell NOOO. If you want to win the game you go for the first down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalbutch Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote] [b] Questionable coaching and a missed field goal hurt Cincinnati Bengals against Miami Dolphins[/b] [b] The Bengals had chances to get closer than 17-13, but a questionable decision and an errant field goal hurt their cause.[/b] [img]http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2012/10/07/20/13/1sLtRO.Em.56.jpeg[/img] Cincinnati Bengals kicker Mike Nugent (2)misses a field-goal attempt during the fourth quarter of a game against the Miami Dolphins at Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2012. Joe Rimkus Jr. / Staff Photo [b] By Rory Glynn[/b] [b] Special to The Miami Herald[/b] CINCINNATI -- The Bengals talked of Sunday’s 17-13 loss to the Dolphins here in terms of missed opportunities. But two opportunities weren’t so much missed as not taken. Stifled much of the day by Miami’s defense, the Bengals scored their only touchdown on the second play of the fourth quarter, then elected to kick the extra point instead of going for two to try to cut the deficit to a field goal. Then, still trailing 17-13 and facing fourth-and-5 at the Miami 23 with 3:05 left, the Bengals opted for a field-goal attempt instead of trying to move the chains and keep alive the possibility of a touchdown. That usually automatic kicker Mike Nugent missed the 41-yard try didn’t help coach Marvin Lewis’ decision in hindsight. “We thought we could stop them and get the ball back again, then kick another field goal and win the game,” Lewis said. Lewis was asked if he thought going for it on fourth down was a low-percentage play in that instance. “It really depends on the yardage,” he said. “It’s easy to sit here and second-guess it now.” Quarterback Andy Dalton, who had moved the Bengals from their 20 to the Miami 23 in just under three minutes on that drive — completing four of five passes for 57 yards before missing wide receiver Brandon Tate on third down — was initially surprised by the decision. “I thought we were going to go for it,” said Dalton, who was 26 of 43 for 234 yards with one touchdown and two interceptions. “But I understand what Marvin was thinking. It’s unfortunate that we missed the kick, but we never should have been in that position. I should have gotten a completion there right before and made a first down.” Did players lobby to go for it? “No. That’s not our decision,” wide receiver A.J. Green said. “It shouldn’t have even come to that, a fourth-down situation. We go with whatever the coaches call.” Nugent, 9 for 9 on field-goal tries for the season as he lined up that kick, said he supported Lewis’ call. He just regretted his role in not making it look better. “There was plenty of time where if you hit a field goal, hopefully they’ll go three-and-out, and then get the ball back, hopefully get the ball downfield and hit a game winner at that point. I totally agree with the logic on that.” Nugent, who made field goals of 42 and 24 yards in the first quarter, said he liked everything about the setup on the last try except how he hit it, sending it wide right. “It was one of those kicks where I kind of babied it and tried to guide it through, instead of just hitting it solid,” he said. Still, as Lewis had hoped, the Bengals got the ball back, with 1:45 left — though with no timeouts, 80 yards to go and needing a touchdown, not a field goal, to win. After Dalton was intercepted by safety Reshad Jones at midfield, the Dolphins killed the clock. “Missing a kick like that, you put Andy and the offense in a terrible position,” Nugent said. “They know in their minds we have to get a touchdown. Putting them in that position is disappointing.” Earlier in the quarter, the Bengals had a chance to make it a one-field-goal game, after Dalton connected with Green for a 2-yard touchdown with 14:15 left. Lewis decided to kick the PAT for a 17-13 deficit instead of trying for two. “You look at it, but we were beginning the fourth quarter. You’re generally going to wait until a little further in the fourth quarter to worry about that,” Lewis said. “We had kind of got our legs back under us on defense and we were stopping them, and had found our way a little bit on offense. “I didn’t expect that would be our last score of the day.” As it turned out, it was. “Our defense was doing pretty well, and we felt we could stop them,” Green said. “We just made simple mistakes on offense. The defense played great today. We didn’t help them out at all.” Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/07/3039408/questionable-coaching-and-a-missed.html#storylink=cpy [color=#000000][left] Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/07/3039408/questionable-coaching-and-a-missed.html#storylink=cpy[/left][/color] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDingleDangle Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I just dont understand defending both the not going for 2 and kicking the FG...I have heard he didnt trust the defense to stop them so he just went for the XP. But then with 3 minutes left u all of a sudden have enough faith in your defense to stop them? ugh. I could understand either one of those, but not both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalbutch Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote] [b] Numbers don't add up for Bengals[/b] [b]CINCINNATI[/b] - Between the blunders and bruises, Sunday probably couldn't have gone any worse for the Cincinnati Bengals. That a flat effort could have been salvaged with a couple different bounces and an aggressive mindset makes it more aggravating. Seeing a three-game win streak end at home against a Miami Dolphins team with a rookie quarterback is a disappointment, and their 17-13 loss is quite possibly one the Bengals will later lament. But knowing the Bengals tried a field goal while trailing by what would become the final score is nothing short of mind-numbing. The Bengals scored the game's first six points; the Dolphins got the next 17. A 2-yard touchdown catch from A.J. Green just 45 seconds into the fourth quarter made it 17-12, but Bengals coach Marvin Lewis chose not to go for two and put his team a field goal away from tying the game. "I didn't expect that to be our last score of the day," Lewis said. Though the game was clearly dominated by the defenses -- more so by the Dolphins defense than the Bengals -- there was 14:15 left, and that nine-play scoring drive was easily the best the Bengals had put together all day. Still, trying to get within a field goal might have further energized a crowd that hadn't had much reason to cheer previously. It might have also put more pressure on a Dolphins team that held fourth quarter leads in each of its previous two games before losing those leads, and losing both games in overtime. Instead, the Bengals kicked the PAT and trailed by four. And when they faced a fourth and five at the Dolphins 23 with 3:02 to go, they chose to kick again. Mike Nugent's field goal sailed wide right, and at that point the numbers didn't add up to anything but the end of the winning streak and a 3-2 record for the Bengals through five games. That's better than 2-3, certainly, but not what anybody involved wanted. "We let a good opportunity get away from us today," Lewis said. "There is no doubt in my mind about that." Hindsight can be a great teacher. The Bengals didn't play well, and they didn't play the fourth quarter scoring situations right. On the missed field goal, Nugent said he just didn't hit it well. It happens, and it was one of those days almost across the board. The Dolphins front seven outdid the Bengals offensive line, holding the Bengals to 21 yards rushing in the second half and sacking Andy Dalton three times. The Bengals lost backup running back Bernard Scott to what's feared to be a torn ACL in the second half, and mental errors ranging from dropped passes to poorly-timed penalties hurt, too. The Dolphins turned the ball over twice early in the game, and the Bengals only got two field goals out of them. Trying that third field goal instead of trying to convert fourth and five from the 23 while down by four, with just three-plus minutes left? It just doesn't make sense. Here's what Lewis said about the decision after the game: "We thought we could stop them and get the ball back again, then kick another field goal and win the game. We got the ball back, but weren’t able to do anything with it. "It really depends on the yardage in that situation. It’s easy to sit here and second guess it now." It is. Green and Andrew Hawkins aren't the only guys in stripes who dropped the ball at some point on Sunday. The Dolphins came in desperate after giving games away in each of the last two weeks and played like the team that needed the game. Ryan Tannehill was poised against pressure and threw for 223. Dalton threw two interceptions, the Bengals stunk (2-of-14) on third down and never established any type of flow. We learned what we probably already knew, but something that could have been hidden by another victory and a fourth-straight victory. That the mostly young and pretty talented Bengals aren't there yet. If they don't play loose, aggressively and like they're underdogs, they won't get there. Losing at home to the Dolphins has put them in a very tough spot. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Haigin88' timestamp='1349642943' post='1167650'] When the game is on the line, would you rather the Bengal offense be deciding it, or the D? That is the question. I’d rahter have the O, which was why going for the FG was a bad decision. But the real problem was the horrible play call on 3rd down. Still not sure what that was. I think that play was designed to get the first down, or if it failed, to make a short 4th and 2-3 and then go for it. [/quote] The whole team played like their cleats were filled with cement for almost the whole game. Dalton's overthrows/near INT's, poor run blocking, shitty defense....it collectively conspired to lose us a winnable game. Totally lethargic performance from the Bengals. I am extremely disappointed, especially given the schedule we are going to face in a few weeks. We needed to win this one for the record books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1349649023' post='1167734'] You see it that way because you don't like Marvin.. I see people trying to hang the loss on something that wasn't the problem.. It may not have been the "gutsy" call. but it's the one made in the NFL almost every time in that situation. This is just typical post loss finger pointing by pissed off fans. [/quote] What's to like? His record over the last ten years? His on field management of the team? His playoff record? Dang, dude.... enough is enough with the Marvin love. As far ass who the fans point their fingers at, in Cincinnati its always Brat or Shayne Graham or of course, Mike Brown. But for a lot of people on here Teflon Marv, nothing sticks, can do no wrong. I really don't get it unless there are two types of Bengal fans on here: Those who will accept anything as long as its orange and black or those who want consistency and winning football, something lacking in Marvin's tenure. Before the opening game in the pregame show, it was mentioned that Marvin has the third longest tenure as a head coach in the NFL. And he does not even have a .500 record. Give me a break... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I need to spend less time here.... Witnessing the panty wetting just makes it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboi Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Chad' timestamp='1349655676' post='1167772'] The other bad decision: Letting Chad into the locker room after a loss [/quote] I don't know maybe the Bengals might resign chad Johnson,he dose need work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1349658751' post='1167792'] I need to spend less time here.... Witnessing the panty wetting just makes it worse. [/quote] And a post saying panty wetting makes the site do much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='bubba' timestamp='1349659071' post='1167796'] And a post saying panty wetting makes the site do much better. [/quote] Does seem to be a lot of soggy VJ's on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewdog Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 ...and the cannibalism of Bengal's fans begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1349642201' post='1167636'] rule of thumb is you don't go for two until you [b]HAVE[/b] to. There was 14:15 left. Far too early to go for 2. [/quote] This. If you take the logic that you go for two when down by 5 at 14:15 in the fourth then you pretty much are saying that you do it any time in the game. Every coach in the league kicks it that early in the fourth quarter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='kennethmw' timestamp='1349656473' post='1167776'] Who do you think the black guy with B in my avatar is? [/quote] Steve Urkle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 [quote name='MrDingleDangle' timestamp='1349650938' post='1167753'] Its not just Bengals fans who seemed to find it an odd call [url="http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/07/marvin-lewis-tried-a-field-goal-down-by-4-with-3-minutes-left/"]http://www.thebiglea...3-minutes-left/[/url] They actually break it down to probability of winning [color=#333333]Cincinnati had about a 31.6% of winning by going for it.[/color] [color=#333333][background=rgb(255, 255, 254)]Bengals chances were about 18.1% by kicking (this is including an 83% chance of making the FG)[/background][/color] [/quote] This is a silly argument. Every game situation is different depending on ho the defense is playing, how the offense is playing, and many other variables. You can't just plug in league averages and make the decision based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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