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Sorry, no competition, no debate, no controversy for Dalton/Bengals

 

Posted Saturday, January 24th 2015 @ 10am

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INDIANAPOLIS, IN - JANUARY 04: Andy Dalton #14 of the Cincinnati Bengals watches the final seconds tick off the clock in the bengals loss to the Indianapolis Colts during their AFC Wild Card game at Lucas Oil Stadium on January 4, 2015 in Indianapolis, Indiana. (Photo by Joe Robbins/Getty Images)

 

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Paul Dehner Jr (Enquirer) and Geoff Hobson (Bengals.com) had a 40-minute Q/A with Marvin at the Senior Bowl. Marvin talked about Andy Dalton and the idea of bringing in another QB:

"There's no time for that," Lewis said. "We have no problem with Andy Dalton as our quarterback. We don't have time to waste time with another quarterback.
"The quarterback competition: Where has it worked? It doesn't get you wins."

That comment by Lewis was a source of great debate on Sports Talk Friday night. 
I have no problem with what Marvin said. It's the only course of action to take.
This is not a 4-12 football team. This is not a team with E.J. Manual or Geno Smith or Brian Hoyer at QB. The Bengals are coming off a 10-5-1 season and a 4th straight playoff appearance. This is no time for the Bengals to hedge their bets and straddle the line at QB. 
Why would you willingly cloud the focus and muddy the waters by adding another QB? Why drop a QB controversy on this team?  Why start the process over with another QB? 2015 is it, decision time, on Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton. The clock is ticking, the countdown is on. Lewis enters the final year of his contract and Dalton enters what could be the final year of his contract. It is now or never. 
I get a kick out of the notion that Dalton needs to be pushed, that he's complacent and needs competition.

So, let me get this straight: 
*Dalton is staring at an 0-4 playoff record and a major hole in his resume.
*He's looking at losing out on the possibility or earning another $70M+ on his contract, if the Bengals opt to walk away after 2015.
*He has a chance to earn another $1M in contract incentives with a playoff win.
And yet, fans believe he's feeling no pressure, needs to be pushed and that he's too complacent? Yea, I'm sure Andy is sitting at home playing Madden, not worried or focused on getting better. Please. This isn't about motivation, it's about consistency and improvement from Dalton.
Why would the Bengals want to go through the learning curve of Hue Jackson's offense, only to hand the offense over to a new QB in 2015?
Why would the Bengals spend training camp splitting snaps between Dalton and the new guy?

Riddle me this Batman: What QB are you bringing in to make the Bengals better in 2015? Are you drafting Baylor's Bryce Petty? How about signing free agent Ryan Mallett. Come on.
Whether you like it or not, Dalton is the QB that gives the Bengals the best shot in 2015. I think the problem is that too many fans have simply lost perspective on Dalton. Any time my Dalton defense is presented, it is taken as "excuses" or that I'm a Dalton "apologist". I'm sorry, it's not a declaration that Dalton is beyond criticism, it is the reality of the situation. He must get better, as do a lot of his teammates. The Bengals best players have to play better.
Dalton will enter the season with a full complement of weapons, healthy weapons, and the 2nd year comfort of Hue's offense. The Bengals may not take the next step in 2015. In the end, it might not be enough. The Bengals may have to move on from Dalton. But they are going to play it out, to find out.

 

 

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Actually, signing Ryan Mallet is an intriguing choice.  Again, he couldn't be expected to provide anything like competition this season, but he just might be a guy that could provide that in year 2. 

 

Yeah, he played like crap against us but he had a torn pec in the pregame and he looked promising the game before.  One thing is sure: he knows how to hold a clip-board.

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Actually, signing Ryan Mallet is an intriguing choice.  Again, he couldn't be expected to provide anything like competition this season, but he just might be a guy that could provide that in year 2. 
 
Yeah, he played like crap against us but he had a torn pec in the pregame and he looked promising the game before.  One thing is sure: he knows how to hold a clip-board.


He wouldn't be a bad choice. There are a couple others out there, too, that would constitute enough of an upgrade over Jason Campbell to make up for not knowing the system.

I have a feeling, though, that someone's going to hand Mallett a starting job. Buffalo perhaps...
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He wouldn't be a bad choice. There are a couple others out there, too, that would constitute enough of an upgrade over Jason Campbell to make up for not knowing the system.

I have a feeling, though, that someone's going to hand Mallett a starting job. Buffalo perhaps...

 

We did that list in the other thread and I think that we had about 6 teams where upgrades might happen

 

Bills

Jets

Browns

Titans

Skins

Rams

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We did that list in the other thread and I think that we had about 6 teams where upgrades might happen

 

Bills

Jets

Browns

Titans

Skins

Rams

 

Redskins don't belong on that list. RGIII is considered an underachiever in some quarters based on his excellent rookie season. But all 3 Redskin QBs had higher passer ratings last season than Dalton. Skins need to fix their defense, especially the secondary and upgrade their O-line. QB is down the list of worries for them.

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We did that list in the other thread and I think that we had about 6 teams where upgrades might happen

 

Bills

Jets

Browns

Titans

Skins

Rams

Records over the last 4 years of each team (*-denotes made the playoffs)

 

Bills 9-7  6-10  6-10  6-10  = 27-37

Jets 4-12  8-8  6-10  8-8  = 26-38

Browns 7-9  4-12  5-11  4-12  = 20-44

Titans 2-14  7-9  6-10  9-7  = 24-40

Skins 4-12  3-13  *10-6  5-11  = 22-42

Rams 6-10  7-9  7-8-1  2-14  = 22-41-1
.368 win %       1 playoff appearance    (above 6 teams total)

Bengals *10-5-1  *11-5  *10-6  *9-7  = 40-23-1

.633 win %       4 playoff appearances

 

There is very little wonder that currently those 6 teams are possibly looking to upgrade at QB.....& that the Bengals are not.

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Marvin is pretty straightforward about it.  Quarterback is different from the other positions.  And some quarterbacks are different from other quarterbacks.  

 

I have no doubt that if Marvin believed bringing a challenger in would make Andy better, he'd bring one in.

 

The only conclusion I can draw is that Marvin doesn't believe Andy can handle it.  He thinks Dalton's makeup is such that a legitimate challenge to his starting job will negatively effect his play.

 

Based on everything I've seen from Dalton, he's probably right.  If Dalton is it, he's it, and that's the only way to play it for 2015.  

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The only conclusion I can draw is that Marvin doesn't believe Andy can handle it.  He thinks Dalton's makeup is such that a legitimate challenge to his starting job will negatively effect his play.

 

 

I can think of one other possible conclusion - that ML doesn't think his QB is an inexcusable pile of suck.  Just one other meaning to consider, is all.

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I saw this man stand solidly in the pocket...with an opponent getting ready to drill him..and toss a beautiful ball to AJ for a TD. Stealers I this season.

And his mental makeup would make him crawl into the fetal position if some other QB split snaps with him? Yeah, whatever.
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It would be hard to find a QB that can come in and learn the system well enough to really compete with Andy in this off season; the reality is Dalton will be the starting QB for 2015 and possibly beyond. As long as Marvin is the HC of the Bengals and Dalton wants to the QB of the Bengals enough to sign and honor a contract he will be the starter. Marvin has stated they would rather work on improving Dalton than finding a new QB. 

 

Marvin knows what he has in Dalton and he's going to do the best he can to win with him, that's our reality Bengal fans. 

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I can think of one other possible conclusion - that ML doesn't think his QB is an inexcusable pile of suck.  Just one other meaning to consider, is all.


Pile of suck? No.

Somewhere around the middle of the pack? Yes.

If the idea is to win playoff games and hopefully a Super Bowl, it is doubtful Dalton will get you there. He has proven that he doesn't play well on big stages against good teams, which you need to do to win it all. Not saying everything is 100% his fault. Not saying the team overall doesn't have to play better. I just don't think Andy is good enough to even be a Joe Flacco, who has proven he can raise his game when it matters most. What is the point of not actively seeking something better when you pretty much know the guy you have can't get it done? Every year you wait is a year lost, IMO.
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Pile of suck? No.

Somewhere around the middle of the pack? Yes.

(..etc etc)

 

 

Yeah that's cool and all, just pointing out there's more than one reason why the HC might decide against a QB derby.  I wasn't make an argument for or against his reasoning.  Dalton having an egg-fragile ego is not the only explanation.

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Yeah that's cool and all, just pointing out there's more than one reason why the HC might decide against a QB derby.  I wasn't make an argument for or against his reasoning.  Dalton having an egg-fragile ego is not the only explanation.


Most of us know we are stuck with Dalton at least this year. No idea if Andy's ego can handle competition. Not a relevant concern, IMO. If they have a chance to add someone who the coaches/front office think could handle the job, I am all for it.
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I saw this man stand solidly in the pocket...with an opponent getting ready to drill him..and toss a beautiful ball to AJ for a TD. Stealers I this season.

And his mental makeup would make him crawl into the fetal position if some other QB split snaps with him? Yeah, whatever.

 

QFT

 

People see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. We all have a filter.

 

This article is very on point for me though

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Most of us know we are stuck with Dalton at least this year. No idea if Andy's ego can handle competition. Not a relevant concern, IMO. If they have a chance to add someone who the coaches/front office think could handle the job, I am all for it.


Didn't we draft McCarron? Who else is out there that will provide a more realistic competition? Andy IS here as starter for 2015. The DHC only hope is that A.J. is the answer next year after Dalton fails miserably in'15 as you're all rooting for. I assure you, There's more hope within the organization than outside it.
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Didn't we draft McCarron? Who else is out there that will provide a more realistic competition. Andy IS here as starter for 2015. The DHC only hope is that A.J. is the answer next year after Dalton fails miserably in'15 as you're all rooting for. I assure you, There's more hope within the organization than outside it.


As usual bengal27 nails it. Do you honestly think there are better players available out in free agency then our own fifth round qb who has never taken an NFL snap. I mean how in the world are guys like Mark Sanchez, Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer be better than a guy who has never taken a snap. If you ask me they probably have too many bad habits with all those starts. Let's get someone who has never started in here and rely on him. As always 27 is on point.
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I saw this man stand solidly in the pocket...with an opponent getting ready to drill him..and toss a beautiful ball to AJ for a TD. Stealers I this season.

And his mental makeup would make him crawl into the fetal position if some other QB split snaps with him? Yeah, whatever.



That's the worst part of it. He's obviously capable. His arm strength isn't good but he can make a majority of the throws. But he doesn't sometimes
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