Arkansas Bengal Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Expect Bengals to have some of league's most cap space February, 13, 2015 Feb 13 1:30 PM ET By Coley Harvey | ESPN.com CINCINNATI -- Expect the Cincinnati Bengals to be one of the teams with the most space when the 2015 salary cap is formally announced. Based on current estimates of the league-wide cap, it appears they will be about $33 million under the limit. Only six other teams can say for now that they will have at least that much cap space for the new league year. Officially, the league year begins next month when contracts for the 2015 season are recognized. By 4 p.m. ET on March 10, all 32 teams must be under the new cap limit. According to ESPN Stats & Information, seven teams, led by the New Orleans Saints, will have to race to get under the cap in the next few weeks. Each of them are currently operating over the limit, with the Saints' spending more than $27.9 million over it. ESPN Stats & Information's cap numbers were published in a chart in this story on free agency earlier this week and are based on the assumption of a $140-million-per-team cap limit for 2015. Using that projection, the Bengals have $32,802,385 to spend entering free agency and the draft. That number is determined by calculating the initial cap limit of $24,105,075 that the Bengals have and adding it on top of the $8,697,310 rollover from the team's 2014 spending. Most teams like to hold some funds in a reserve fund that later can be rolled over and included in the following season's spending. The $8.7-million rollover is the sixth-largest for a team this year. Expect the Bengals to hold on to another sizable chunk of their cap space this year in order to have an amount that can carry over to next year's spending. Doing so is common practice for them. Does all this cap space mean the Bengals are going to buy the world when free agency starts next month? Probably not. But it does mean the Bengals can afford to be a little more aggressive with their free agency spending -- as coach Marvin Lewis has suggested -- than in past years. When free agency started last year, the Bengals were in the $30-million ballpark in cap space. But last offseason was vastly different than this one. They had two primary spending objectives last offseason: to re-sign Andy Dalton and Vontaze Burfict. This year, Cincinnati doesn't have any massive contracts to extend unless it decides to move a year early on Pro Bowl receiver A.J. Green. He could command an offer that would make him one of the highest-paid receivers in the league. Eight wideouts currently make more than $10 million a year. Green definitely could be part of that group. http://espn.go.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Rebuttal Hobson article on how they actually have no money about to drop in response any minute now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 In hindsight maybe it's not the best idea to let your rising star WR know that you're already saving up to break the fuckin bank on his extension halfway through his rookie season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 AJ Green already counts 10 against the cap. They could save cap room with an extension if structured the right way. Last season with extensions for Dalton/Burfict they pissed away about 7/8 in cap room by calling up front payments "roster bonus" instead of signing bonus. That's your MJ right there. Both Dalton and Burfict have roster bonus that would have covered MJ this season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hindsight is 20 caliber? Bengals dodged a bullet by letting MJ walk to Tampa. If Scharm would have gotten his way the Bengals would have taken that bullet right in the forehead...err....wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hindsight is 20 caliber? Bengals dodged a bullet by letting MJ walk to Tampa. If Scharm would have gotten his way the Bengals would have taken that bullet right in the forehead...err....wallet. If the Super Bowl is a bullet, then yes the Bengals have dodged it. Nothing like rationalizing their cap management despite 0 playoff wins in the cap era, lol. How dare anyone question it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 This headline is a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 MJ is exhibit 1A of why we need to go after a premier DE in FA. Imagine if we had someone who was actually good enough to get sacks on his own playing with a healthy Geno and opposite Dunlap. MJ was a true phantom here, who's only truly productive pass rushing year came when Geno went insane with 12.5 sacks. Given that Jerry Hughes comes from a similar situation (Dareus, Mario Williams), it's the one thing that makes me cautious with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigfox09 Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Where can I pick up my "Cincinnati Bengals 2014 Most Responsible Cap Management T-Shirt" Mike Brown should consider running a government agency. He is the Dave Ramsey of cap management.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 If the Super Bowl is a bullet, then yes the Bengals have dodged it. Nothing like rationalizing their cap management despite 0 playoff wins in the cap era, lol. So the Bengals would have won the championship if only had Michael Johnson agreed to stay and bust for this team instead of agreeing to move to Florida to bust for a new team? That's hilarious. Granted, it's not the level of trading for Jay Cutler funny, but few things are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 MJ is exhibit 1A of why we need to go after a premier DE in FA. Imagine if we had someone who was actually good enough to get sacks on his own playing with a healthy Geno and opposite Dunlap. MJ was a true phantom here, who's only truly productive pass rushing year came when Geno went insane with 12.5 sacks. Given that Jerry Hughes comes from a similar situation (Dareus, Mario Williams), it's the one thing that makes me cautious with him. Well most likely not going to happen. Which is why it was so important to keep MJ and the group together. Now look at the . And for the love of God, get rid of Peko. Fuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 MJ is exhibit 1A of why we need to go after a premier DE in FA. Imagine if we had someone who was actually good enough to get sacks on his own playing with a healthy Geno and opposite Dunlap. MJ was a true phantom here, who's only truly productive pass rushing year came when Geno went insane with 12.5 sacks. Given that Jerry Hughes comes from a similar situation (Dareus, Mario Williams), it's the one thing that makes me cautious with him. I think that if the Bengals do make a big signing it would be at DE. I don't really see Hughes as a likely target though due to him being 6'2 250. If they spend $7M+ a year on a free agent DE, they probably would have to pass on filling some other holes and count on some rookies to play right away, but it actually looks pretty realistic and doable if they can get a decent deal on the right DE. The two I am most intrigued by are Greg Hardy (6'4, 275) though he obviously has all the off field baggage and Jabaal Sheard (6'3, 264). Sheard is a bit on the small side but I think he could easily get up into the 270s after dropping some weight to play 3-4 OLB the past 2 years. The other direction that makes pretty good sense is trying to fill a lot of the holes except D Line in FA which would then allow them to take a DE in the 1st and a DT fairly early also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Well most likely not going to happen. Which is why it was so important to keep MJ and the group together. Now look at the . And for the love of God, get rid of Peko. Fuu Not to be a smart ass, but in one sentence you are talking about how important it is/was to keep "the group together." Then in the very next line you are begging them to get rid of a starting member of the group. There's a bit of inconsistency here... And there also seem to be a lot of people who thought MJ sucked who are now complaining about how big his absence was last year. Maybe Tampa will cut MJ and we can complain about the Bengals bringing him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Not to be a smart ass, but in one sentence you are talking about how important it is/was to keep "the group together." Then in the very next line you are begging them to get rid of a starting member of the group. There's a bit of inconsistency here... And there also seem to be a lot of people who thought MJ sucked who are now complaining about how big his absence was last year. Maybe Tampa will cut MJ and we can complain about the Bengals bringing him back. Well, if complaining is what you want, you've come to the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Well, if complaining is what you want, you've come to the right place. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 So the Bengals would have won the championship if only had Michael Johnson agreed to stay and bust for this team instead of agreeing to move to Florida to bust for a new team? That's hilarious. Granted, it's not the level of trading for Jay Cutler funny, but few things are. Lol, super homer. Sure make it about MJ. You are the one that cried all season long about injuries and how they changed games. You are the one that cries about a first round tackle this year because it wouldn't be an impact,lol. Now all of sudden MJ couldn't have made an impact despite the absolute failure by the a bengals replacing him and big downgrade in that spot? Right. The owner carried over 8 mil. Used another 8 mil in cap space by calling it roster bonus. Want kind of quality depth could you buy with 16 mil for last years team? Hey whatever you say. Just don't cry about injuries and make anymore bullshit impact draft demands if you are going blindly defend the cap policies that have produced 0 playoff wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Not to be a smart ass, but in one sentence you are talking about how important it is/was to keep "the group together." Then in the very next line you are begging them to get rid of a starting member of the group. There's a bit of inconsistency here... And there also seem to be a lot of people who thought MJ sucked who are now complaining about how big his absence was last year. Maybe Tampa will cut MJ and we can complain about the Bengals bringing him back. The loss of MJ was bad but compounded by the failure of the replacement plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Lol, super homer. Sure make it about MJ. I didn't make it about MJ. You were the one who attempted to do that in post #4. All I did is point out how your cap gyrations would have resulted in the Bengals retaining a player who played so poorly for his new team he's probably going to be released. Not sure why you're still complaining about the Bengals not doing enough to ensure Michael Johnson busted here rather than in Florida. Now all of sudden MJ couldn't have made an impact despite the absolute failure by the a bengals replacing him and big downgrade in that spot? Right. Impact? The Bucs are probably going to release MJ despite him producing .5 sack more for their team than he produced in his last season here. Bengals dodged a bullet, but even with the gift of hindsight you're still complaining. The owner carried over 8 mil. Used another 8 mil in cap space by calling it roster bonus. Want kind of quality depth could you buy with 16 mil for last years team? Well, with that kind of cap room you could trade for Jay Cutler, right? Hey whatever you say. Just don't cry about injuries and make anymore bullshit impact draft demands if you are going blindly defend the cap policies that have produced 0 playoff wins. I think it's funny how you stopped crying crocodile tears over the loss of a departed free agent bust long enough to accuse me of crying about injuries to players who are actually on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Oh MJ would have busted here? Right. The management has 0 wins in the salary cap era. You have just been shown how they use their cap allocation as a hard cap. By all means ignore that and continue to cry about injuries, 1st round OT picks, Cutler and whatever else because it clearly demonstrates you have a grasp of the situation, lol. What fool claims a team with 0 playoff wins dodges a bullet on anything? Hilarious. 4peat shirt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Oh MJ would have busted here? Right. MJ had 3.5 sacks in his final year in stripes....exactly the type of performance that resulted in MJ being declared a bust in Tampa. By all means ignore that and continue to cry about injuries, 1st round OT picks, Cutler and whatever else because it clearly demonstrates you have a grasp of the situation, lol. Your grasp of the situation is best summed up by your fascination with trading for Jay Cutler and the way you continue to beat the drum for free agents who have already busted. What fool claims a team with 0 playoff wins dodges a bullet on anything? Q -What sort of fool claims the answer to 0 playoff wins is a grossly overpaid combo of Michael Johnson and Jay Cutler? A - The rare type of fool who remains blind even after being given the gift of hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Spend the money on any free agent you want. How does a poster cry about injuries all season overlook 16 mil in cap space taken up by accounting policy? You can dance all you want there are two facts. 1. MJ better than what they had in 2014. 2. His cap cost could easily been found with different cap accounting. If they change their cap tactics that means more actual cash out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Spend the money on any free agent you want. How does a poster cry about injuries all season overlook 16 mil in cap space taken up by accounting policy? Ackowledging the impact injuries have doesn't qualify as crying in my book. But what does qualify as crying is how someone can still complain about the loss of a FA who played as badly for his new team as MJ did. You can dance all you want there are two facts. There's nothing to dance about. Your rant is based upon the Bengals refusing to massage the cap in a way that would have allowed them to keep a player who IMHO, both then and now, wasn't worth what he'd eventually be paid. 1. MJ better than what they had in 2014. If that were true, and I agree that it is, shouldn't I be more upset with the steps that were taken to replace MJ than the ones that weren't taken to keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Not to be a smart ass, but in one sentence you are talking about how important it is/was to keep "the group together." Then in the very next line you are begging them to get rid of a starting member of the group. There's a bit of inconsistency here... And there also seem to be a lot of people who thought MJ sucked who are now complaining about how big his absence was last year. Maybe Tampa will cut MJ and we can complain about the Bengals bringing him back. Get rid of the untalented one. Bring back the talented one. Obviously we should upgrade from Peko. Doesn't mean MJ needed to be replaced too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Ackowledging the impact injuries have doesn't qualify as crying in my book. But what does qualify as crying is how someone can still complain about the loss of a FA who played as badly for his new team as MJ did. There's nothing to dance about. Your rant is based upon the Bengals refusing to massage the cap in a way that would have allowed them to keep a player who IMHO, both then and now, wasn't worth what he'd eventually be paid. If that were true, and I agree that it is, shouldn't I be more upset with the steps that were taken to replace MJ than the ones that weren't taken to keep him? Who knows? You are the one claiming a bullet was dodged knowing this team failed once again to advance. You are the one that will use injuries as the excuse. Seems to me that you'll try to make some snarky analysis about MJ and Cutler (lol) to avoid acknowledging a cap strategy that has failed to produce 1 playoff victory. Seems to me you got Gresh on the Brain and bunch of excuses about injuries and ignore the team took 16 mil in cap charges via contract structure/cap procedures. Who really knows what you should be upset about because it seems like your happy with status quo and the fit of your knew 4peat shirt. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 As for the topic of worth. If they structure contracts that Aline more to a soft cap. MJ is free from a cap charge perspective. What's the fucking value of paying Dalton/Burfict roster bonuses days after signing the contract and taking the full hit? That methodology burnt them this past season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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