Le Tigre Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Watch other games--especially with favored franchises in key games--and then tell me how fair and balanced the NFL is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Le Tigre said: Watch other games--especially with favored franchises in key games--and then tell me how fair and balanced the NFL is. "Watch other games" is not enough. Show me actual evidence of the Bengals being screwed over in Sunday's game. Show me some evidence that the Bengals have been screwed out of multiple losses this season. I know the team bitches after every game about the officials, but other than the first Stealers game, I do not believe the Bengals have been on the short end of the stick when it comes to calls this season. I do think the coach made two critical errors in sticking with Nugent and Ogbuehi too long. Marvin should blame himself more and the officials less. He played an enormous role in throwing this season away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Watch other games--especially with favored franchises in key games--and then tell me how fair and balanced the NFL is. It's like arguing with a Flat Earth-er at this point. The ol' "The Bengals will stop getting screwed by bad calls when they win despite being screwed by bad calls but they would've lost anyway" argument. Poisoned fanbase doesn't even begin to cover it. How do you fix fans that expect their team to lose? 5 consecutive winning seasons didn't do it. Unless the team goes 16-0 they're frauds as soon as they lose a game. Almost like having their negativity vindicated is more satisfying than winning so they need to feel like the team deserves the shit end of the stick. It's twisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 1 minute ago, T-Dub said: It's like arguing with a Flat Earth-er at this point. The ol' "The Bengals will stop getting screwed by bad calls when they win despite being screwed by bad calls but they would've lost anyway" argument. Poisoned fanbase doesn't even begin to cover it. How do you fix fans that expect their team to lose? 5 consecutive winning seasons didn't do it. Unless the team goes 16-0 they're frauds as soon as they lose a game. Almost like having their negativity vindicated is more satisfying than winning so they need to feel like the team deserves the shit end of the stick. It's twisted. I'm the flat-earther in this conversation?????? lol Yep, the Bengals are a victim of a league-wide conspiracy. All 7 of those embarrassing playoff losses were the referees' fault. Sunday was actually a win taken away by the officials. We really beat the Redskins, you see. If only the zebras wouldn't have discreetly narrowed the goal posts on Nugent's XP, we'd have been victorious! The Bengals had that Giants game in the bag but the stupid refs kept letting the Giants D-Line jump offsides and sack Dalton! They were jumping the snap, I tell ya! Boy did we get screwed in the ass during that Denver loss. How did the refs let Demaryius Thomas untie Chris Lewis-Harris's shoelaces before the snap????? That's a penalty!!!!!!! It cost us the game!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Madieu Superstar said: "Watch other games" is not enough. Show me actual evidence of the Bengals being screwed over in Sunday's game. Show me some evidence that the Bengals have been screwed out of multiple losses this season. I know the team bitches after every game about the officials, but other than the first Stealers game, I do not believe the Bengals have been on the short end of the stick when it comes to calls this season. I do think the coach made two critical errors in sticking with Nugent and Ogbuehi too long. Marvin should blame himself more and the officials less. He played an enormous role in throwing this season away. I am not talking about the Bengals--it is the entire fucking league, and has been for at least a decade. This is the NBA--and franchises other than #teamslikethepatriots...who make the league moguls very wealthy...are just the NFL version of the Milwaukee Bucks or the Portland Trail Blazers. Useful, OK, competetive franchises who can keep the games closer, but will ALWAYS be escorted out by game's end. It's what John Q TV fan in media markets want to see--and the league is only too happy to oblige. Plenty of cars, beer, electronic equipment, and cell phone plans to sell. This farce of a sport and league will give the unwashed populace all of the bread and circuses their hearts desire...in an unending supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Madieu Superstar said: I'm the flat-earther in this conversation?????? lol Yep, the Bengals are a victim of a league-wide conspiracy. All 7 of those embarrassing playoff losses were the referees' fault. Sunday was actually a win taken away by the officials. We really beat the Redskins, you see. If only the zebras wouldn't have discreetly narrowed the goal posts on Nugent's XP, we'd have been victorious! The Bengals had that Giants game in the bag but the stupid refs kept letting the Giants D-Line jump offsides and sack Dalton! They were jumping the snap, I tell ya! Boy did we get screwed in the ass during that Denver loss. How did the refs let Demaryius Thomas untie Chris Lewis-Harris's shoelaces before the snap????? That's a penalty!!!!!!! It cost us the game!!!!! Strawman harder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Strawman harder I'm mocking the lunacy of your argument. The Bengals lose because they are a bad football team. They win when they play well, they lose when they play the way they played Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Madieu Superstar said: I'm mocking the lunacy of your argument. No, you're making a strawman argument that the Bengals are 5-8-1 because of the refs. Nobody has made that claim except you. The Bengals can both suck and the officiating be biased. It's possible to have two thoughts at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 11 hours ago, Madieu Superstar said: I'm the flat-earther in this conversation?????? lol Yep, the Bengals are a victim of a league-wide conspiracy. All 7 of those embarrassing playoff losses were the referees' fault. Sunday was actually a win taken away by the officials. We really beat the Redskins, you see. If only the zebras wouldn't have discreetly narrowed the goal posts on Nugent's XP, we'd have been victorious! The Bengals had that Giants game in the bag but the stupid refs kept letting the Giants D-Line jump offsides and sack Dalton! They were jumping the snap, I tell ya! I did not realize that. A good coach would have picked that up and had Andy change the snap count because that had been picked up (half time adjustment by them? I would say so) and the Gnats were anticipating it. A hard count or delay in the cadence would have screwed them royally (no offense, Kate Middleton) but our coaching staff composed of Marvclones missed it and the Gnats capitalized. Good point. Boy did we get screwed in the ass during that Denver loss. How did the refs let Demaryius Thomas untie Chris Lewis-Harris's shoelaces before the snap????? That's a penalty!!!!!!! It cost us the game!!!!! Not entirely uncommon but how did Thomas untie future Hall of Farmer, Chris Hyphen's, shoes before the snap? A few seasons back a boy named Suh complained of his shoes being untied frequently in pile ups. Max Montoya was (in)famous for doing this. He should be on this coaching staff as at least a consultant but Mike Brown never forgave him for going to the Raiders... interesting story if you have ever heard him tell it. Had verbally committed to re-signing with the Bengals, got a call in his hotel room at an away game from Al Davis, personally, who got the number from Max's cousin who was a Raider, and Al made Max an offer he could not refuse. Brown never forgave him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 17 hours ago, PatternMaster said: You can't really be blaming the refs for the 2nd half collapse, it's a common re-occurring theme this team and regardless of what team is officiating the game they fail to make adjustments and get outplayed in the 2nd half most games this year. Did refs tell the Bengals to only give Burkhead the ball twice in the second half, Andy to throw the ball to Timmons, and the defense to not get the ball back in the final 6 minutes of the game? Dre was guilty of those two penalties and Sims was off-sides despite being a veteran and lining up literally right over the ball on every play of his career. After 3 straight penalties they flagged Sims for playing through the whistle instead stopping once the play was whistled dead. A very subjective call, but when you consider the context you can understand why they did made that call. The Bengals beat themselves, again. They clearly showed they were capable of beating the Stealers by amassing a 20-6 lead in the first half, however they failed to adjust, got sloppy, and made unexcusable mistakes like a veteran DT lining up offsides or a veteran QB throwing a horrible INT and missing wide open guys in critical situations. This has been the Bengals identity for as long as Marvin has been the HC in must win situations, that is why they haven't won a playoff despite getting there 7 times in the past 11 seasons. At some point you have to come to the reality that a HC with a 0-7 playoff record (worst in NFL history) isn't the guy to get you to the Super Bowl and the sooner you go in a different direction the better, if your goal is to win a Super Bowl. But judging from how ownership operates I would really question that, they seem just find with wallowing in mediocrity and some fans and media types will enable that behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Let me get this straight. Unless the Bengals play flawlessly, you can't complain about shitty refs? I have seen many posts from stealers fans over the years saying just that. A team should play well enough so the refs are not a factor. Any close game that the refs fuck up is the losing team's fault for not scoring more points. The officiating had fuckups in the previous two meetings and this last game threw 4 consecutive flags and multiple flags that weren't thrown until a stealer player said something to a ref. That's not the least bit fishy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, Hooky said: Let me get this straight. Unless the Bengals play flawlessly, you can't complain about shitty refs? I have seen many posts from stealers fans over the years saying just that. A team should play well enough so the refs are not a factor. Any close game that the refs fuck up is the losing team's fault for not scoring more points. The officiating had fuckups in the previous two meetings and this last game threw 4 consecutive flags and multiple flags that weren't thrown until a stealer player said something to a ref. That's not the least bit fishy? THEY WERE PENALTIES!!! Fatso did jump offside and I'd love to see some video of the center "hitching" the ball. No one else on the line saw it and I looked at it twice and didn't see it. Fatso did throw the player down after the whistle. This is a fact. You can hear the whistle. That's not fishy. You can call the Kirkpatrick penalties borderline if you'd like but he did put his hands on the WR. You leave yourself vulnerable when you do that. The Bengals got the benefit of the doubt in the first half and Pittsburgh got it in the second half. All things considered, I'd say it was one of the better officiated games all year. The fact of the matter is that no one on here would be bitching about calls if the team was winning. I really don't remember the "the league is out to get us" talk when the team was 8-0 last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthPaw Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 12 hours ago, Madieu Superstar said: I'm mocking the lunacy of your argument. The Bengals lose because they are a bad football team. They win when they play well, they lose when they play the way they played Sunday. This is a grown man statement. Who is more revered than the Raiders? They havent gone to the playoffs in 15 years. You know why? Because they fucking sucked for the past 15 years. I would think "the league" would want them and their fan base vying for the playoffs every year. The bengals went to the playoffs 5 straight years. You know why? They played well in the regular season. They lost all 5 playoff games. You know why? Because they fucking sucked, made crucial mistakes, and simply got outclassed in those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dey Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 I know you guys are upset right now about the loss and the season. But as a Steeler fan I would like to point out that suspicion and lack of faith in the referees is not at all limited to the Bengals. We Steeler fans felt the first half was going pretty one-sided in terms of calls. Obviously in the 2nd half all the calls started going the Stealers way. I would suggest there IS something of a "plan" if you will. The league has an interest in making games competitive. That's simply the way it is. If the Bengals win over the weekend and the Ravens lose, all three of the AFC North "real" teams are still mathematically in the race. However, Baltimore pulled ahead and it looked like the Eagles weren't going to do much about that. At that point there was no point in doing anything to hinder the Stealers and if you really want to feel as though the Bengals were maligned, the truth is, it was in the best interest of the league to promote a Stealers win as well as a Ravens win because it makes next weeks game all the more important. However as Madieu pointed out, Kirkpatrick DID hold Brown pretty much throughout the game. He just didn't get called until the 2nd half. Your defensive tackle DID jump offsides on a critical third down. Burfict DID choose to push Roethlisberger to the ground. Was it a vicious push? No. But is the league watching Vontaze like a hawk, particularly against the Stealers? Absolutely. Had Burfict already tried to go low on DeCastro (I know, you're mad at DeCastro for also going low and concussing Burfict, but what was he supposed to do? Let Vontaze end his career?) The fact is, pretty much every Steeler fan is desperately hoping Marvin Lewis never ever leaves Cinci. Because he's completely unwilling or incapable of disciplining the players. Sure the Bengals have ridiculously talented guys, but ultimately when adversity hits you can count on them 7 times out of 10 to melt down. If the Bengals could somehow trade for Steve Smith Sr. and Gordon at cornerback it would be absolutely PERFECT! I'm just saying, I know you're upset about the officiating, but everyone is. They've been terrible this year. Truly terrible. I'm sorry the Bengals haven't had a better season. I really am. I feel the North is not as strong as they ought to be this year and that's too bad. Ours should be the strongest division in the AFC and that can't really be said this year. I have faith in most of the AFC North teams though. The Browns will likely take some time, but the rest of the team will be fine. Stick with Marvin though. He's going to take the Bengals all the way. If we're stuck with Tomlin you need to ride it out with Marv! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Dey said: At that point there was no point in doing anything to hinder the Stealers and if you really want to feel as though the Bengals were maligned, the truth is, it was in the best interest of the league to promote a Stealers win as well as a Ravens win because it makes next weeks game all the more important. There it is from a Steeler's fan, but some of you will still puff up your chests with this "MANLY MAN!" bullshit. Gotta say it sounds like the overcompensating type that'd sucker punch someone in the dick during a beer league softball game and then tell them to stop whining. Quote The fact is, pretty much every Steeler fan is desperately hoping Marvin Lewis never ever leaves Cinci. Because he's completely unwilling or incapable of disciplining the players. More painful truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 14 hours ago, T-Dub said: There it is from a Steeler's fan, but some of you will still puff up your chests with this "MANLY MAN!" bullshit. Gotta say it sounds like the overcompensating type that'd sucker punch someone in the dick during a beer league softball game and then tell them to stop whining. Or the kind that almost runs you off the road and gets pissed when you honk at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 God this conspiracy theory stuff is embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 5 hours ago, Jamie_B said: God this conspiracy theory stuff is embarrassing. Embarrassing for who? I find your unwavering belief in the NFL's integrity kind of amazing. Goodell thanks you for your support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyInDC Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 It's very simple. To appease the masses, Goodell should promise to drain the swamp and then proceed to fill it with goombahs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Embarrassing for who? I find your unwavering belief in the NFL's integrity kind of amazing. Goodell thanks you for your support. It's not a zero sum game, but the whole premise of you'e complaining is based upon these calls having a discernible negative effect on the Bengals ability to win games. Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, Madieu Superstar said: It's not a zero sum game, but the whole premise of you'e complaining is based upon these calls having a discernible negative effect on the Bengals ability to win games. Prove it. Wait, you're saying that penalties have no effect on the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Wait, you're saying that penalties have no effect on the game? Any more than the penalties on the other team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 50 minutes ago, Madieu Superstar said: Any more than the penalties on the other team? OK, well what you said was "having a discernible negative effect on the Bengals ability to win games" & it should be obvious that excessive penalties cost teams games. I think maybe what you meant was that there's no proof the refs aren't calling the games fairly. If you can watch games all season - not just the Bengals - and come away thinking that there's no problem or agenda with NFL officiating, I'm not going to convince you otherwise. TD's that after the game are ruled not, or the other way around, fumbles that weren't & fines on plays that never drew a foul.. Phantom PI calls at crucial moments, offensive holding being routinely ignored.. Flags being tossed well after a play ends, other flags being picked up with no explanation. If that all seems legit to you well, good for you I guess. Enjoy the integrities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 15 minutes ago, T-Dub said: OK, well what you said was "having a discernible negative effect on the Bengals ability to win games" & it should be obvious that excessive penalties cost teams games. I think maybe what you meant was that there's no proof the refs aren't calling the games fairly. If you can watch games all season - not just the Bengals - and come away thinking that there's no problem or agenda with NFL officiating, I'm not going to convince you otherwise. TD's that after the game are ruled not, or the other way around, fumbles that weren't & fines on plays that never drew a foul.. Phantom PI calls at crucial moments, offensive holding being routinely ignored.. Flags being tossed well after a play ends, other flags being picked up with no explanation. If that all seems legit to you well, good for you I guess. Enjoy the integrities. The Bengals are currently sandwiched between the Giants and the Patriots in penalties this season. Your argument that teams such as those get favorable treatment compared to a small market team such as the Bengals just does not hold water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, Madieu Superstar said: The Bengals are currently sandwiched between the Giants and the Patriots in penalties this season. Your argument that teams such as those get favorable treatment compared to a small market team such as the Bengals just does not hold water. That's nice but it's a bit more complex than that. When were those penalties called and under what circumstances? With a lead, trailing, 1st quarter or 4th? 1st down or 3rd down? You're convinced the NFL is legit; cool. I'm sure their independent neurologists would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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