spicoli Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jpoore said: It is if u believe Williams is the next aj... he's not...not even close actually. and don't get me wrong, I do think Williams is a very good WR....I just don't think he's a top 10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I don't think he is the next AJ. He doesn't get near the separation AJ does. Great jump ball receiver, not quite as dynamic. I also doubt the Bengals are planning for 6 years from now. I like Williams, just don't believe we use a top 10 pick on a #2 receiver.He gets late separation which is great. And he compares favorably to Keenan Allen. To have the most high powered offense in the NFL for the next 5-6 years and not have to rely on our defense?Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, SF2 said: The Bengals offense hasn't been inside the top 10 in any of those years. Bengals offense was 6th in scoring in '13 and 7th in '15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 he's not...not even close actually. and don't get me wrong, I do think Williams is a very good WR....I just don't think he's a top 10 pick.Williams would be a number 1 on. 27 out of 32 NFL teams. He has better speed than aj, compares to Keenan allen. Gets better Kate separation than aj coming out, and would be the heir apparent not to mention giving us the best offense in the nfl.that would be 2 recievers you would have to double.Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, spicoli said: he's not...not even close actually. and don't get me wrong, I do think Williams is a very good WR....I just don't think he's a top 10 pick. In this draft he is. That said, while I wouldn't be upset with the pick, I agree with the thinking of not using a top 10 pick on a #2 WR. Especially when WR isn't your #1 need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, fredtoast said: Bengals offense was 6th in scoring in '13 and 7th in '15. Yards are how offenses are rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Williams would be a number 1 on. 27 out of 32 NFL teams. He has better speed than aj, compares to Keenan allen. Gets better Kate separation than aj coming out, and would be the heir apparent not to mention giving us the best offense in the nfl.that would be 2 recievers you would have to double.Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile appOkay thenSent from my Moto G (4) using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jpoore said: To have the most high powered offense in the NFL for the next 5-6 years and not have to rely on our defense? #2 WR does not transform an entire offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 In this draft he is. I'll believe it when I see it.Sent from my Moto G (4) using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 48 minutes ago, fredtoast said: Over the last 4 years the Bengals have allowed fewer sacks than any of the four teams left in the playoffs Cin.....125 NE.....128 Pitt....130 Atl.....144 GB.....157 Who gets rid of the ball quicker, Dalton or Brady and Roethlisberger? Most of the time, it seemed as if our offense was predicated on not giving the chance for our O-line to give up sacks. That's a good strategy but I'd rather just have a better line. More opportunities for success when your QB can hold the ball in the pocket longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, SF2 said: Yards are how offenses are rated. Points are more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 #2 WR does not transform an entire offense.Except he wouldn't be a 2 we would have 2 number 1s and 2 1,000 yard receivers.Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, spicoli said: good lord, why so shitty? I'm not the type who likes to attack people on here all the time. I hated the last line of his post that I responded to, simple as that. He thinks he knows more than everyone else because he defends the Bengals. He said PA was the best pass protection coach in the league. That's a laughable statement and it contradicts his notion that he knows better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 White receivers produce. Erickson should get more snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jpoore said: Except he wouldn't be a 2 we would have 2 number 1s and 2 1,000 yard receivers. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app That's just not how the NFL works. In Madden yes. In the NFL, games are won and lost in the trenches. I agree we do need another receiver. In the 3rd or 4th round. Green is a top 3 receiver in the NFL who is locked up long term. Boyd is a 2nd round pick going into his 2nd season. Our third receiver is usually Eifert when he plays. Core showed a lot of promise. LaFell will most likely be re-signed. It doesn't make sense to spend a top 10 pick on another one. It's not a top need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 That's just not how the NFL works. In Madden yes. In the NFL, games are won and lost in the trenches. I agree we do need another receiver. In the 3rd or 4th round. Green is a top 3 receiver in the NFL who is locked up long term. Boyd is a 2nd round pick going into his 2nd season. Our third receiver is usually Eifert when he plays. Core showed a lot of promise. LaFell will most likely be re-signed. It doesn't make sense to spend a top 10 pick on another one. It's not a top need.I do not understand this. Lafell was a horrible number 2. Core looked absolutely lostwhen running routes on the field. Remember when the lions lines and defense looked lost but Stafford could just throw it up to megaton before he got hit? Now imagine having 2 of those kind of players opposite each other.Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Jpoore said: I do not understand this. Lafell was a horrible number 2. Core looked absolutely lostwhen running routes on the field. Remember when the lions lines and defense looked lost but Stafford could just throw it up to megaton before he got hit? Now imagine having 2 of those kind of players opposite each other. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app I thought LaFell was a solid #2. Wiliams would be an upgrade for sure. At the expense of a first round pick. Core was a rookie. He is raw no doubt but has the tools to be a good one. He showed flashes of what he could be with some seasoning. There's just not enough balls to go around to justify drafting a receiver in the first. I know you imagine the offense being like Green Bay's. 99% of teams can't run this. I can think of 2: Patriots and Green Bay. Both have all time greats at QB. That's not Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jpoore said: Except he wouldn't be a 2 we would have 2 number 1s and 2 1,000 yard receivers. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Still does not transform the entire offense. If we bring in another #1 level WR then Green's production will go down. If a team goes out on free agency and signs 3 RBs that can each run for 1000 yards that does not mean they will rush for 3000 yards as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I thought LaFell was a solid #2. Wiliams would be an upgrade for sure. At the expense of a first round pick. Core was a rookie. He is raw no doubt but has the tools to be a good one. He showed flashes of what he could be with some seasoning. There's just not enough balls to go around to justify drafting a receiver in the first. I know you imagine the offense being like Green Bay's. 99% of teams can't run this. I can think of 2: Patriots and Green Bay. Both have all time greats at QB. That's not Andy. I liken the offense with Williams to a to and Chad but when they were in their prime. Andy would be a 5,000 yard passer. It Broncos offense couple years ago. And we can still get our needs. A DE in second like Walker. Lafell had less than 350 yards before aj went down including 3 games where he had a combined 28 yards. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Still does not transform the entire offense. If we bring in another #1 level WR then Green's production will go down. If a team goes out on free agency and signs 3 RBs that can each run for 1000 yards that does not mean they will rush for 3000 yards as a team.Those are 2 different Position. I likein it to Chad and to on the same team but in their prime. Andy becomes a 5,000 yard passer. Or the broncos when manning lit the world on fire. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, Jpoore said: I do not understand this. Lafell was a horrible number 2. Core looked absolutely lostwhen running routes on the field. Remember when the lions lines and defense looked lost but Stafford could just throw it up to megaton before he got hit? Now imagine having 2 of those kind of players opposite each other. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Lafell was just fine as a number two for this team, that being said, Williams would be an upgrade......that does not mean he's worth the #9 overall pick in the draft however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Lafell was just fine as a number two for this team, that being said, Williams would be an upgrade......that does not mean he's worth the #9 overall pick in the draft however.Lafell had 350 yards as a number 2. That is horrible. And our number 2 can't have 3 games for a combined 28 yards. Mike Williams is a number 1 he's worth the number 5 pick he probably won't be there when we draft but if he is they should sprint to that podium. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, akiliMVP said: I thought LaFell was a solid #2. He was. There are 32 teams in the NFL and LaFell was 35th among WRs in receiving yards and 18th in receiving tds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Lafell had 350 yards as a number 2. That is horrible. And our number 2 can't have 3 games for a combined 28 yards. Mike Williams is a number 1 he's worth the number 5 pick he probably won't be there when we draft but if he is they should sprint to that podium. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile appYep, we'll seeSent from my Moto G (4) using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Yep, we'll seeSent from my Moto G (4) using Go-Bengals.com mobile appThat we will.... Just curious who do u see at 9? Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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