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Am I the only one worried about taking a DE with the 9th pick? Keep hearing that this is a deep DE class and we possibly be taking the 2nd-4th best DE at number 9. Is the 2nd/4th DE a big difference between the 7th/8th? I keep seeing Solomon Thomas falling to us but I also know he doesn't fit our ideal tall DE. I know I was interested in Reuben Foster and watch the National Title game just to see him play but it seem like he would take wrong angles and be out of the play too often (at least that game), do we really need two LB's doing that (Burfict). Watching that game Mike Williams look good but he also didn't get any separation and that was against college talent.

What is everyone's thought with the 9th pick? Do we go Offense as we lost too many close games but had major injuries. Or do we go defense even though the defense came on strong the last 8 games?

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I have said this for every year there has been a draft: regardless of where or whom they pick, they will get one helluva good football player. 

The next question would be: can they make him NFL helluva good? 

To your point though: I would take Reuben Foster in a NY second if he is there.

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Well we have no shot at the #1 end (Garrett). Taking the second best guy doesn't take away from his talent. He'll still be a top 10 guy.

Thomas is nearly the same size as Gilberry and Geathers. I know we typically prefer the long/lean ends but there are exceptions. 

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Am I the only one worried about taking a DE with the 9th pick? Keep hearing that this is a deep DE class and we possibly be taking the 2nd-4th best DE at number 9. Is the 2nd/4th DE a big difference between the 7th/8th? I keep seeing Solomon Thomas falling to us but I also know he doesn't fit our ideal tall DE. I know I was interested in Reuben Foster and watch the National Title game just to see him play but it seem like he would take wrong angles and be out of the play too often (at least that game), do we really need two LB's doing that (Burfict). Watching that game Mike Williams look good but he also didn't get any separation and that was against college talent.
What is everyone's thought with the 9th pick? Do we go Offense as we lost too many close games but had major injuries. Or do we go defense even though the defense came on strong the last 8 games?

I actually am not really a fan of Thomas. I am in love with demarcus Walker. Dude is legit. We can get him in the second. That said I think we go with the dude from villinova. He had a monster senior bowl. He's also the prototypical end for the Bengals 6"7 280 "his abs have abs" quote from senior bowl. Walker is like 6"4 280. I love mike Williams and have been saying we should get him. He had almost 100 yards in the title game and had a big game against osu too. That's against NFL talent. If we were to draft him oh boy look out defenses. Not a fan of Foster. A huge fan of McMillan and beckwith

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I don't think you can go wrong with any one of Malik Hooker, Solomon Thomas, Jamal Adams or Reuben Foster....real good chance the first three are gone by the time we get on the clock however....just gonna depend on whether or not any QB's find their way into the top 10....I'd be thrilled if 2 can get up there.

there's not a top 10 WR in this draft IMO...but if there is, it likely won't be Mike Williams.

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I don't think you can go wrong with any one of Malik Hooker, Solomon Thomas, Jamal Adams or Reuben Foster....real good chance the first three are gone by the time we get on the clock however....just gonna depend on whether or not any QB's find their way into the top 10....I'd be thrilled if 2 can get up there.
there's not a top 10 WR in this draft IMO...but if there is, it likely won't be Mike Williams.

I think the villinova guy skyrockets this draft. He destroyed at the senior bowl. We disagree on Williams and that's fine. Thomas seemed to do most of his damage from the inside which is worrisome if he's gonna be a rde. If we're being honest with ourselves about the Bengals no way we take a safety in tip 10 with both starting safety's locked up until 2020. So personally it comes down to foster and Williams imo. If neither are available I think we trade back. While I would love it if 2 qbs were taken in top 10 I think if ever there was a year that no qbs are taken in the first round this would be it.

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8 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Why not? Jones is a dumbass and DreSwagYolo is a free agent

Base off our recent 1st round CB picks he would just sent on the bench for a year or two behind other 1st round CB's that are given a shot to start.

 

We need a starter with the 9th pick, not another depth guy 

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10 minutes ago, speed3me said:

Base off our recent 1st round CB picks he would just sent on the bench for a year or two behind other 1st round CB's that are given a shot to start.

 

We need a starter with the 9th pick, not another depth guy 

 

So you'd rather they reach for a mid-round talent?  What position is guaranteed to start?

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I don't want a corner at 9 either. Even without Jones and kirk we have Dennard, Jackson and Shaw. 2 first rounders and a 4th who played nickel all year. I think Kirk does re-sign. If not then we can either draft a mid round guy for depth or sign a different vet.

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53 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

So you'd rather they reach for a mid-round talent?  What position is guaranteed to start?

If all three of the players I highlighted  are gone when we pick at 9th I rather see us trade back. If that scenario happens could have a team willing to trade up for a QB

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Not an expert on all of the individuals, but here are some general commenst.

-Don't want to use the #9 pick on a WR.  A #2 WR just does not transform an entire offense, and it would be a poor use of resources.  It would be like buying a Bugatti just to drive to the grocery store.

-A true every down 4-3 DE is a first round pick (like QB, CB, LT).

-Don't have a problem with Thomas just because he is more DT than DE.  As long as could get a lot of snaps in rotation I don't care if he plays two positions.  We need help at DT also. This would allow us to us another pick on a smaller edge rush specialist that could just play DE on passing downs.  the Bengals have not had a lot of success with these type players, but they at least try to find one (Donte Moch, Chris Carter, etc).

-Would not have a problem with a monster DT at #9, but there do not seem to be a lot of candidates.

-LB is another of our biggest needs.  In fact I would say that we need 2 LBs to replace starters Dansby and Maualuga.  Would not use the #9 pick on a MLB who will play less than half of the snaps.

-OT is a possibility.  I doubt that they are ready to write off both Fisher and Ogbuehi yet, but if we let Zeitler walk Fisher could become a Guard.  You don't see many teams draft an OG at #9, but if Zeitler walks that immediately becomes our biggest need by far.

-RB is another longshot, but a slight possibility if they fall in love with a specific player who is available at #9.

 

Overall I would say D-line and LB are our biggest needs.  If Zeitler walks then O-line becomes biggest need.

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9 minutes ago, speed3me said:

If all three of the players I highlighted  are gone when we pick at 9th I rather see us trade back. If that scenario happens could have a team willing to trade up for a QB

The draft is a huge crap shoot.  Every year there are top ten picks that flop.  Even the best teams have high draft picks that bust.  So I have no problem with trading back.  the best way to improve our chances of getting a good player is to increase our number of picks.  According to the popular draft value chart we could get an extra 2nd round pick by dropping back to around 18 to 20.  Still a lot of good players available in that range.

The year we took Keith rivers at #9 Aqib Talib was drafted at #20.  The draft is much more about luck than many "experts" want to admit.

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4 minutes ago, fredtoast said:

The draft is a huge crap shoot.  Every year there are top ten picks that flop.  Even the best teams have high draft picks that bust.  So I have no problem with trading back.  the best way to improve our chances of getting a good player is to increase our number of picks.  According to the popular draft value chart we could get an extra 2nd round pick by dropping back to around 18 to 20.  Still a lot of good players available in that range.

Agree, trade back get more picks. I think we all agree that bodine needs to go, would like to see is find his replacement this draft. I could see us taking a C with the second round pick

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4 minutes ago, akiliMVP said:

Foster is a great player, but he plays exactly like Burfict. Reckless. Flies all over the field. Lots of penalties and concussions. That's worrying.

He's also about 225 lbs. So not big enough for inside unless he bulks up again. 

Completely agree. Watching the national title game he made great plays but as many great plays he made he was out of position on plenty of plays.

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1 hour ago, speed3me said:

Agree, trade back get more picks.

 

That sounds great but requires someone to trade with, so the question then is who would be available #9 that we don't want but another team would?

Williams seems like the obvious candidate in that case.

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11 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

That sounds great but requires someone to trade with, so the question then is who would be available #9 that we don't want but another team would?

Williams seems like the obvious candidate in that case.

I don't think we would actually trade out of the 9th pick but if there is a run on non QB's I can see a team trying to jump in front of Buffalo or cleveland.

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12 hours ago, Jpoore said:


I think the villinova guy skyrockets this draft. He destroyed at the senior bowl. We disagree on Williams and that's fine. Thomas seemed to do most of his damage from the inside which is worrisome if he's gonna be a rde. If we're being honest with ourselves about the Bengals no way we take a safety in tip 10 with both starting safety's locked up until 2020. So personally it comes down to foster and Williams imo. If neither are available I think we trade back. While I would love it if 2 qbs were taken in top 10 I think if ever there was a year that no qbs are taken in the first round this would be it.

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I think the kid from Villanova skyrockets as well, just not sure it'll be enough to get him into the top 10 however...Thomas can do his damage all along the line, he doesn't necessarily have to be strictly a RDE for us, he just has to impact from any one of the spots which I believe he'll do, I just think he'll be off the board already...both of those safeties are five star type players, if they're surrounded by a bunch of 4 star DE's, DT's, OT's and CB's, I think they'd go with the safety....neither one of those guys would be wise to pass up though, they're both going to be NFL difference makers IMO, which is why they'll likely both be gone already when we get on the clock unless a bunch of QB's find their way to the top between now and then, which isn't likely...I just don't see a top 10 WR in this draft, possibly Corey Davis gets himself up there with a really strong showing at the combine (which I think he'll blow up)....Williams IMO, I just don't think he has the speed and foot quickness necessary to get open consistently against NFL corners and he'll ultimately fall to the back of the first round/early second round because of it....he's fantastic at high pointing the football for sure, and he'll be a great redzone weapon, need more than that however to be considered a top 10 pick, just my opinion....Foster is great but there's gonna be some really nice LB talent available in R2....guys like Raekwon McMillan, TJ Watt, Tim Williams, Ryan Anderson, Hassan Reddick , they'll all be productive long time NFL starting LB's, IMO....one name to watch from the LB position- UCLA OLB Takkarist McKinley, kid's a freakin animal and could easily find his way into the top 10 when it's all said and done because he'll test off the charts at the combine and he has the tape to back it all up....corners, MAYBE Teez Tabor, Marlon Humphrey or Marshon Lattimore? I don't know, I wouldn't be thrilled with any of those choices really....at DE guys like Taco Charlton, Kpassagnon and Derek Barnett are fringe top 20 prospects at best IMO, but you never know just because there's such a need.....I see no DT's or OT's worth a top 10 pick in this draft.....just my 2 cents. 

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First, I am assuming that Garrett, Allen, Thomas, and Hooker are all gone.

Foster is the guy I want most.  Good tackler, physical and athletic.  He and Burfict would make our defense truly scary.

I would not take a WR at 9.  That's too high IMO for a guy who, barring injury is at BEST the #2 target, and likely #3.  That said, I wouldn't complain too much over Williams.

Cook would also make the offense scary, but I don't see that happening either.

I'm not a "BIG" Barnett guy, but if Foster is gone, he probably makes the most sense.  And you can't argue against his production, and against quality opponents.

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3 hours ago, Jason said:

First, I am assuming that Garrett, Allen, Thomas, and Hooker are all gone.

Foster is the guy I want most.  Good tackler, physical and athletic.  He and Burfict would make our defense truly scary.

I would not take a WR at 9.  That's too high IMO for a guy who, barring injury is at BEST the #2 target, and likely #3.  That said, I wouldn't complain too much over Williams.

Cook would also make the offense scary, but I don't see that happening either.

I'm not a "BIG" Barnett guy, but if Foster is gone, he probably makes the most sense.  And you can't argue against his production, and against quality opponents.

Kinda with you, I think mike williams can be special and A.J. is about to hit 30. Look at Detroit, they were not ready for megatron retirement. Also think boyd would be a bettwr slot guy and not a number 2. We did lose too many close games last year where another weapon could help.

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