BlackBengal Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 Watt's height/weight will be really interesting at the combine. If weighs in above 270 and can put up a 40 in the low 4.8s or lower his stock will skyrocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 8 hours ago, Jpoore said: I personally think demarcus Walker is better than all and we can get him in second but anyway. Barnett broke the record but didn't do much against elite talent. Whenever he got stood up against elite tackles they moved him to the other side so his numbers are hugely inflated. Charlton has MAJOR inconsistency issues. watt is second rounder at best. McKinley is a perfect 3-4 olb not really a 4-3 DE. Harris is late 20s pick imo but would be happy with him. But if ur picking at 9 do u really want the 4th best DE at 9? Or the top reciever/safety/cb. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app If Barnett is there at #9 I would hope the Bengals would not waste any time in drafting him. If he were to come here he would be a pass rush specialist that could what you said he did in college, lineup against the worst OT on the field and feast. He isn't some one year wonder, he has consistently had at least 10 sacks in his 3 years in college and made the All Conference team in the best conference in CFB 3 years in a row. Not sure why you think he's the 4th best DE in the draft, after all the draft is such a subjective process that it really comes down to personal preference. The Bengals greatest priority(imho) is to improve their pass blocking and pass rush this offseason and the most effective way to do that is to draft a quality rookie in the first round of the draft. The oline already has plenty of young guys that need to prove themselves and this draft isn't full talented OT's(the only oline position they would consider at #9) so then you focus on the pass rush in the draft and sign a veteran olineman in FA. Signing a top tier DE in FA isn't an option because most of those guys don't hit the open market and if they are available they are too rich for MB's liking, so the draft is really the only option to get a game changing pass rusher. Think about it when in the history of this franchise have they signed a FA that could get 10+ sacks? Barnett has demonstrated at the highest level of football that he is legally allowed to play that he can get 10+ sacks vs. the best competition available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, BlackBengal said: Watt's height/weight will be really interesting at the combine. If weighs in above 270 and can put up a 40 in the low 4.8s or lower his stock will skyrocket. If he puts on 30lbs of muscle in a few months then he should screened for PED's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 I think Jpoore has been tokin' the hippy lettuce a little too much! j/k I'd take Walker in the 2nd if we didn't take a DE in the 1st and it might be a toss up between Walker and Smoot from Illinois and Harris from Missouri. It wouldn't bother me at all if we took a pass rusher in the 255-265 lb. range. Not in the 2nd round or beyond anyways. Bengals need some speed out on the end anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 Lamp practiced 1 day. He got beat on 1 play by Kpassagnon. There are multiple reports claiming he was hands down the best offensive lineman that day. I'm not going to judge a guy off of 1 play in a practice.No of course not. But he also got beat by more than just kpassagnon. And if I had to choose between the 2 I would take kpassagnon.Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 This is terrible logic. We're not getting the 4th best end with the 9th pick. It doesn't matter where they are ranked at their position anyways. If we feel they are worthy of the 9th pick we'll take them. Regardless if they aren't the #1 guy. It boggles my mind that you could watch our shit pass rush and be totally against an end with the top pick. A WR, safety or CB at 9? Wtf??? Walker has an inconsistent motor and is not an athlete. He's going to drop in the draft. He's basically Wallace Gilberry.Are you serious? First of all our wr Corp when aj went down was absolutely atrocious. So we need mike Williams. Look at how the colts offense rolled with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.and bow would he not be the 4th best end? U got Solomon Thomas, Myles Garrett, Jonathon Allen. I'm not against an end at 9. If it seemed that way I should have expressed my self better but imo is barnett or someone like that that much better than Walker at 41? As far as cb I would only take one if it was lattimore as he looks like the next revis/bailey. And Waller does not have an inconsistent motor. He has plays where he can't go full go bc he's gassed. He plays 99.7percent of snaps. He averages 3 plays that he gets to come out the whole game. That would Gas anyone. And he's a hell of an athlete if you take away his first 2 seasons. He has 25 sacks in 2 years. In the ole miss game this year he had 4.5 sacks and 2 ff. He's got a swim move better that I have never seen. He constantly try beats tackles no matter agree he is lined up. And unlike Barnett he actually increased his tackles every year while Barnett decreased. And if u watch his game film there are plenty of occasions where a rb tried to beat him to the edge and couldnt do it. At 280 pounds. I think he blows up at combine. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 I think Jpoore has been tokin' the hippy lettuce a little too much! j/kI'd take Walker in the 2nd if we didn't take a DE in the 1st and it might be a toss upbetween Walker and Smoot from Illinois and Harris from Missouri. It wouldn't botherme at all if we took a pass rusher in the 255-265 lb. range. Not in the 2nd round or beyondanyways. Bengals need some speed out on the end anyways. Walker is about 280 just as a reference but not once on a race to the outside did I see a rb beat him there he's deceptively fast. Harris is a first rounder and smoot apparently really struggled in senior bowl. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 Just now, Jpoore said: Walker is about 280 just as a reference but not once on a race to the outside did I see a rb beat him there he's deceptively fast. Harris is a first rounder and smoot apparently really struggled in senior bowl. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app I know Walker's size. I said I would take him but wouldn't be opposed to taking a smaller one. Big difference keeping containment on a RB and chasing down a QB. The sideline is your friend. I didn't see any of the Senior Bowl. That's just 1 game anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 If Barnett is there at #9 I would hope the Bengals would not waste any time in drafting him. If he were to come here he would be a pass rush specialist that could what you said he did in college, lineup against the worst OT on the field and feast. He isn't some one year wonder, he has consistently had at least 10 sacks in his 3 years in college and made the All Conference team in the best conference in CFB 3 years in a row. Not sure why you think he's the 4th best DE in the draft, after all the draft is such a subjective process that it really comes down to personal preference. The Bengals greatest priority(imho) is to improve their pass blocking and pass rush this offseason and the most effective way to do that is to draft a quality rookie in the first round of the draft. The oline already has plenty of young guys that need to prove themselves and this draft isn't full talented OT's(the only oline position they would consider at #9) so then you focus on the pass rush in the draft and sign a veteran olineman in FA. Signing a top tier DE in FA isn't an option because most of those guys don't hit the open market and if they are available they are too rich for MB's liking, so the draft is really the only option to get a game changing pass rusher. Think about it when in the history of this franchise have they signed a FA that could get 10+ sacks? Barnett has demonstrated at the highest level of football that he is legally allowed to play that he can get 10+ sacks vs. the best competition available. I have it as Myles Garrett, Jonathon Allen, Solomon Thomas. So that would make him 4. I'm not opposed to drafting a DE at 9 but my point is is Barnett at 9 really better than Walker at 41? I think not. Also Barnett's tackling numbers have gone down every year while walkers have gone up. In out system the rde really needs to set the edge and make tackles and it seems like that's Barnett's weakness. Walker has had 25 sacks his last 2 seasons. Including a 4.5 sacks 2 ff game against ole miss. He too has proven to do it against the best the conference has to offer. And If u can get someone who has the same talent or better at 41.... But I'm not opposed to it. Me personally I'm a big fan of taking Mike Williams at 9 so it might skew my view a little in retrospect. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75North Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 17 hours ago, T-Dub said: Interesting, thanks. The more I think about it that (vet FA) makes more sense. We've got enough prospects for Alexander to ruin already. Speaking of Vet O-linemen...whatever happened to Anthony Collins? Haven't heard his name since 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 58 minutes ago, Jpoore said: No of course not. But he also got beat by more than just kpassagnon. And if I had to choose between the 2 I would take kpassagnon. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Then why did his stock skyrocket after the 1 senior bowl practice if he was so awful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocalBengalEd Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 Allen built to be a 3 4 end. Garrett a RDE. Barnette 4 3 end. Either side. Thomas same. But on passing downs will go inside. Where he did most of his damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 49 minutes ago, Jpoore said: Are you serious? First of all our wr Corp when aj went down was absolutely atrocious. So we need mike Williams. Look at how the colts offense rolled with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.and bow would he not be the 4th best end? U got Solomon Thomas, Myles Garrett, Jonathon Allen. I'm not against an end at 9. If it seemed that way I should have expressed my self better but imo is barnett or someone like that that much better than Walker at 41? As far as cb I would only take one if it was lattimore as he looks like the next revis/bailey. And Waller does not have an inconsistent motor. He has plays where he can't go full go bc he's gassed. He plays 99.7percent of snaps. He averages 3 plays that he gets to come out the whole game. That would Gas anyone. And he's a hell of an athlete if you take away his first 2 seasons. He has 25 sacks in 2 years. In the ole miss game this year he had 4.5 sacks and 2 ff. He's got a swim move better that I have never seen. He constantly try beats tackles no matter agree he is lined up. And unlike Barnett he actually increased his tackles every year while Barnett decreased. And if u watch his game film there are plenty of occasions where a rb tried to beat him to the edge and couldnt do it. At 280 pounds. I think he blows up at combine. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app That's the number 1 knock on walker is inconsistent motor. Nobody expects him to blow up the combine. That's the other knock. He's not explosive. He'll run a 4.9. He's not a bad player but you are overrating him drastically. Williams is a good player. Not sure he's worth the 9th pick. I didn't think the passing offense was bad. Especially considering the top 3 targets were all out. Certainly don't see that as a reason to draft a #2 receiver with the 9th pick. He would at best be the #3 target behind Green and Eifert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 26 minutes ago, akiliMVP said: That's the number 1 knock on walker is inconsistent motor. Nobody expects him to blow up the combine. That's the other knock. He's not explosive. He'll run a 4.9. He's not a bad player but you are overrating him drastically. Williams is a good player. Not sure he's worth the 9th pick. I didn't think the passing offense was bad. Especially considering the top 3 targets were all out. Certainly don't see that as a reason to draft a #2 receiver with the 9th pick. He would at best be the #3 target behind Green and Eifert. There's been some recent talk of Walker falling to the 3rd/4th round. Not big enough to play DT and not athletic enough for DE. Might just be a rotational Wallace Gilberry type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 I know Walker's size. I said I would take him but wouldn't be opposed to taking a smaller one. Big difference keeping containment on a RB and chasing down a QB.The sideline is your friend. I didn't see any of the Senior Bowl. That's just 1 game anyways. I wasn't talking about containment though. I was talking about straight up sprint to the edge. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 Then why did his stock skyrocket after the 1 senior bowl practice if he was so awful?Bc he was the best at the senior bowl. And I wouldnt say he skyrocketed he was already a second round pick before the senior bowl. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 That's the number 1 knock on walker is inconsistent motor. Nobody expects him to blow up the combine. That's the other knock. He's not explosive. He'll run a 4.9. He's not a bad player but you are overrating him drastically. Williams is a good player. Not sure he's worth the 9th pick. I didn't think the passing offense was bad. Especially considering the top 3 targets were all out. Certainly don't see that as a reason to draft a #2 receiver with the 9th pick. He would at best be the #3 target behind Green and Eifert. Top 3? Whose the third? And eifert is the number 1 option in the redone but between the 20s he's the number 3. So Williams would be the number 2 option. U saw how bad our offense struggled bc we didn't have a legit number 2. I think as well as Walter football that he runs between 4.6-4.7. He's deceptively fast. And his numbers last 2 years stack up against Barnett. Nobody in college could take him on one on one. And he was consistently better than Charlon. His motor is not an issue if he plays 80-90 percent of snaps. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 There's been some recent talk of Walker falling to the 3rd/4th round. Not big enough to play DT and not athletic enough for DE. Might just be a rotational Wallace Gilberry type.He's more athletic than Barnett imo. He's probably the 3rd best defensive end in the draft. Just watch his highlights or his tape. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 4 hours ago, 75North said: Speaking of Vet O-linemen...whatever happened to Anthony Collins? Haven't heard his name since 2015. Probably with good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 6 hours ago, 75North said: Speaking of Vet O-linemen...whatever happened to Anthony Collins? Haven't heard his name since 2015. Him and Jerome are working at Fed-Ex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Jpoore said: Top 3? Whose the third? And eifert is the number 1 option in the redone but between the 20s he's the number 3. So Williams would be the number 2 option. U saw how bad our offense struggled bc we didn't have a legit number 2. I think as well as Walter football that he runs between 4.6-4.7. He's deceptively fast. And his numbers last 2 years stack up against Barnett. Nobody in college could take him on one on one. And he was consistently better than Charlon. His motor is not an issue if he plays 80-90 percent of snaps. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Gio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said: Him and Jerome are working at Fed-Ex. I guess he stunk it up at Tampa, they cut him, and that was that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 The Bengals second round pick will be anyone who slides from the first round regardless of position. (ref Fisher) Possibly a reach for a criminal, perhaps Mixon unless they think he will still be there in the third. (ref C. Dillon) Or a combination of both (ref C. Pickins) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 How about drafting the Center from The Ohio State and moving Bodine to Guard, let Zeitler walk for a nice comp pick next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 20 hours ago, Jpoore said: I have it as Myles Garrett, Jonathon Allen, Solomon Thomas. So that would make him 4. I'm not opposed to drafting a DE at 9 but my point is is Barnett at 9 really better than Walker at 41? I think not. Also Barnett's tackling numbers have gone down every year while walkers have gone up. In out system the rde really needs to set the edge and make tackles and it seems like that's Barnett's weakness. Walker has had 25 sacks his last 2 seasons. Including a 4.5 sacks 2 ff game against ole miss. He too has proven to do it against the best the conference has to offer. And If u can get someone who has the same talent or better at 41.... But I'm not opposed to it. Me personally I'm a big fan of taking Mike Williams at 9 so it might skew my view a little in retrospect. Sent from my 2PYB2 using Go-Bengals.com mobile app At 6'3" 290 lbs Allen is a 4-3 DT(3 technique) or a 3-4 DE(5 technique), I wouldn't consider him a DE. Thomas could play DE in a 4-3 but I don't think he's a better pass rusher than Barrett and the stats prove that fact. Barrett had double digit sacks 3 years in a row in the SEC, that's an amazing accomplishment. If he's available at #9(which I doubt he will be) then I would hope the Bengals would be all over him. I like Williams at #9 but I think we can get a similar player in latter rounds, imho it's easier to find a play making WR later in the draft than a play making DE and Williams injury history, lack of deep speed give me pause. If I were drafting for the Bengals I would go DE, LB/OG, DT/OT/WR in the first 3 rounds, so that would be: 1. Derek Barnett/Taco Charlton/Solomon Thomas(whichever one is available) 2. Jarrad Davis/Hassan Riddick/Raekwon McMillian/Dan Feeney/Taylor Moton 3. Dalvin Tomlinson/Montavious Adams/Davon Godchaux/Josh Reynolds/Tywan Taylor/Malichi Dupree/Josh Malone/Zay Jones/Adam Bisnowtay/Will Holden/Julien Davenport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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