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8 hours ago, Jpoore said:


I personally think demarcus Walker is better than all and we can get him in second but anyway. Barnett broke the record but didn't do much against elite talent. Whenever he got stood up against elite tackles they moved him to the other side so his numbers are hugely inflated. Charlton has MAJOR inconsistency issues. watt is second rounder at best. McKinley is a perfect 3-4 olb not really a 4-3 DE. Harris is late 20s pick imo but would be happy with him. But if ur picking at 9 do u really want the 4th best DE at 9? Or the top reciever/safety/cb.

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If Barnett is there at #9 I would hope the Bengals would not waste any time in drafting him. If he were to come here he would be a pass rush specialist that could what you said he did in college, lineup against the worst OT on the field and feast. He isn't some one year wonder, he has consistently had at least 10 sacks in his 3 years in college and made the All Conference team in the best conference in CFB 3 years in a row.

Not sure why you think he's the 4th best DE in the draft, after all the draft is such a subjective process that it really comes down to personal preference.

The Bengals greatest priority(imho) is to improve their pass blocking and pass rush this offseason and the most effective way to do that is to draft a quality rookie in the first round of the draft. The oline already has plenty of young guys that need to prove themselves and this draft isn't full talented OT's(the only oline position they would consider at #9) so then you focus on the pass rush in the draft and sign a veteran olineman in FA.

Signing a top tier DE in FA isn't an option because most of those guys don't hit the open market and if they are available they are too rich for MB's liking, so the draft is really the only option to get a game changing pass rusher. Think about it when in the history of this franchise have they signed a FA that could get 10+ sacks? Barnett has demonstrated at the highest level of football that he is legally allowed to play that he can get 10+ sacks vs. the best competition available. 

 

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I think Jpoore has been tokin' the hippy lettuce a little too much!  j/k

I'd take Walker in the 2nd if we didn't take a DE in the 1st and it might be a toss up

between Walker and Smoot from Illinois and Harris from Missouri.  It wouldn't bother

me at all if we took a pass rusher in the 255-265 lb. range.  Not in the 2nd round or beyond

anyways.  Bengals need some speed out on the end anyways.  

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Lamp practiced 1 day. He got beat on 1 play by Kpassagnon. There are multiple reports claiming he was hands down the best offensive lineman that day. I'm not going to judge a guy off of 1 play in a practice.

No of course not. But he also got beat by more than just kpassagnon. And if I had to choose between the 2 I would take kpassagnon.

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This is terrible logic. We're not getting the 4th best end with the 9th pick. It doesn't matter where they are ranked at their position anyways. If we feel they are worthy of the 9th pick we'll take them. Regardless if they aren't the #1 guy.
It boggles my mind that you could watch our shit pass rush and be totally against an end with the top pick. A WR, safety or CB at 9? Wtf??? 
Walker has an inconsistent motor and is not an athlete. He's going to drop in the draft. He's basically Wallace Gilberry.

Are you serious? First of all our wr Corp when aj went down was absolutely atrocious. So we need mike Williams. Look at how the colts offense rolled with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.and bow would he not be the 4th best end? U got Solomon Thomas, Myles Garrett, Jonathon Allen. I'm not against an end at 9. If it seemed that way I should have expressed my self better but imo is barnett or someone like that that much better than Walker at 41? As far as cb I would only take one if it was lattimore as he looks like the next revis/bailey. And Waller does not have an inconsistent motor. He has plays where he can't go full go bc he's gassed. He plays 99.7percent of snaps. He averages 3 plays that he gets to come out the whole game. That would Gas anyone. And he's a hell of an athlete if you take away his first 2 seasons. He has 25 sacks in 2 years. In the ole miss game this year he had 4.5 sacks and 2 ff. He's got a swim move better that I have never seen. He constantly try beats tackles no matter agree he is lined up. And unlike Barnett he actually increased his tackles every year while Barnett decreased. And if u watch his game film there are plenty of occasions where a rb tried to beat him to the edge and couldnt do it. At 280 pounds. I think he blows up at combine.

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I think Jpoore has been tokin' the hippy lettuce a little too much!  j/k
I'd take Walker in the 2nd if we didn't take a DE in the 1st and it might be a toss up
between Walker and Smoot from Illinois and Harris from Missouri.  It wouldn't bother
me at all if we took a pass rusher in the 255-265 lb. range.  Not in the 2nd round or beyond
anyways.  Bengals need some speed out on the end anyways.  

Walker is about 280 just as a reference but not once on a race to the outside did I see a rb beat him there he's deceptively fast. Harris is a first rounder and smoot apparently really struggled in senior bowl.

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Just now, Jpoore said:


Walker is about 280 just as a reference but not once on a race to the outside did I see a rb beat him there he's deceptively fast. Harris is a first rounder and smoot apparently really struggled in senior bowl.

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I know Walker's size.  I said I would take him but wouldn't be opposed to taking a smaller one.  Big difference keeping containment on a RB and chasing down a QB.

The sideline is your friend.  :D  I didn't see any of the Senior Bowl.  That's just 1 game anyways.  

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If Barnett is there at #9 I would hope the Bengals would not waste any time in drafting him. If he were to come here he would be a pass rush specialist that could what you said he did in college, lineup against the worst OT on the field and feast. He isn't some one year wonder, he has consistently had at least 10 sacks in his 3 years in college and made the All Conference team in the best conference in CFB 3 years in a row.
Not sure why you think he's the 4th best DE in the draft, after all the draft is such a subjective process that it really comes down to personal preference.
The Bengals greatest priority(imho) is to improve their pass blocking and pass rush this offseason and the most effective way to do that is to draft a quality rookie in the first round of the draft. The oline already has plenty of young guys that need to prove themselves and this draft isn't full talented OT's(the only oline position they would consider at #9) so then you focus on the pass rush in the draft and sign a veteran olineman in FA.
Signing a top tier DE in FA isn't an option because most of those guys don't hit the open market and if they are available they are too rich for MB's liking, so the draft is really the only option to get a game changing pass rusher. Think about it when in the history of this franchise have they signed a FA that could get 10+ sacks? Barnett has demonstrated at the highest level of football that he is legally allowed to play that he can get 10+ sacks vs. the best competition available. 
 

I have it as Myles Garrett, Jonathon Allen, Solomon Thomas. So that would make him 4. I'm not opposed to drafting a DE at 9 but my point is is Barnett at 9 really better than Walker at 41? I think not. Also Barnett's tackling numbers have gone down every year while walkers have gone up. In out system the rde really needs to set the edge and make tackles and it seems like that's Barnett's weakness. Walker has had 25 sacks his last 2 seasons. Including a 4.5 sacks 2 ff game against ole miss. He too has proven to do it against the best the conference has to offer. And If u can get someone who has the same talent or better at 41.... But I'm not opposed to it. Me personally I'm a big fan of taking Mike Williams at 9 so it might skew my view a little in retrospect.

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17 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Interesting, thanks.  The more I think about it that (vet FA) makes more sense.  We've got enough prospects for Alexander to ruin already.

Speaking of Vet O-linemen...whatever happened to Anthony Collins? Haven't heard his name since 2015.

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49 minutes ago, Jpoore said:


Are you serious? First of all our wr Corp when aj went down was absolutely atrocious. So we need mike Williams. Look at how the colts offense rolled with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.and bow would he not be the 4th best end? U got Solomon Thomas, Myles Garrett, Jonathon Allen. I'm not against an end at 9. If it seemed that way I should have expressed my self better but imo is barnett or someone like that that much better than Walker at 41? As far as cb I would only take one if it was lattimore as he looks like the next revis/bailey. And Waller does not have an inconsistent motor. He has plays where he can't go full go bc he's gassed. He plays 99.7percent of snaps. He averages 3 plays that he gets to come out the whole game. That would Gas anyone. And he's a hell of an athlete if you take away his first 2 seasons. He has 25 sacks in 2 years. In the ole miss game this year he had 4.5 sacks and 2 ff. He's got a swim move better that I have never seen. He constantly try beats tackles no matter agree he is lined up. And unlike Barnett he actually increased his tackles every year while Barnett decreased. And if u watch his game film there are plenty of occasions where a rb tried to beat him to the edge and couldnt do it. At 280 pounds. I think he blows up at combine.

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That's the number 1 knock on walker is inconsistent motor. Nobody expects him to blow up the combine. That's the other knock. He's not explosive. He'll run a 4.9. He's not a bad player but you are overrating him drastically.

Williams is a good player. Not sure he's worth the 9th pick. I didn't think the passing offense was bad. Especially considering the top 3 targets were all out. Certainly don't see that as a reason to draft a #2 receiver with the 9th pick. He would at best be the #3 target behind Green and Eifert. 

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26 minutes ago, akiliMVP said:

That's the number 1 knock on walker is inconsistent motor. Nobody expects him to blow up the combine. That's the other knock. He's not explosive. He'll run a 4.9. He's not a bad player but you are overrating him drastically.

Williams is a good player. Not sure he's worth the 9th pick. I didn't think the passing offense was bad. Especially considering the top 3 targets were all out. Certainly don't see that as a reason to draft a #2 receiver with the 9th pick. He would at best be the #3 target behind Green and Eifert. 

There's been some recent talk of Walker falling to the 3rd/4th round. Not big enough to play DT and not athletic enough for DE. Might just be a rotational Wallace Gilberry type.

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I know Walker's size.  I said I would take him but wouldn't be opposed to taking a smaller one.  Big difference keeping containment on a RB and chasing down a QB.
The sideline is your friend.    I didn't see any of the Senior Bowl.  That's just 1 game anyways.  

I wasn't talking about containment though. I was talking about straight up sprint to the edge.

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That's the number 1 knock on walker is inconsistent motor. Nobody expects him to blow up the combine. That's the other knock. He's not explosive. He'll run a 4.9. He's not a bad player but you are overrating him drastically.
Williams is a good player. Not sure he's worth the 9th pick. I didn't think the passing offense was bad. Especially considering the top 3 targets were all out. Certainly don't see that as a reason to draft a #2 receiver with the 9th pick. He would at best be the #3 target behind Green and Eifert. 

Top 3? Whose the third? And eifert is the number 1 option in the redone but between the 20s he's the number 3. So Williams would be the number 2 option. U saw how bad our offense struggled bc we didn't have a legit number 2. I think as well as Walter football that he runs between 4.6-4.7. He's deceptively fast. And his numbers last 2 years stack up against Barnett. Nobody in college could take him on one on one. And he was consistently better than Charlon. His motor is not an issue if he plays 80-90 percent of snaps.

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There's been some recent talk of Walker falling to the 3rd/4th round. Not big enough to play DT and not athletic enough for DE. Might just be a rotational Wallace Gilberry type.

He's more athletic than Barnett imo. He's probably the 3rd best defensive end in the draft. Just watch his highlights or his tape.

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3 hours ago, Jpoore said:


Top 3? Whose the third? And eifert is the number 1 option in the redone but between the 20s he's the number 3. So Williams would be the number 2 option. U saw how bad our offense struggled bc we didn't have a legit number 2. I think as well as Walter football that he runs between 4.6-4.7. He's deceptively fast. And his numbers last 2 years stack up against Barnett. Nobody in college could take him on one on one. And he was consistently better than Charlon. His motor is not an issue if he plays 80-90 percent of snaps.

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20 hours ago, Jpoore said:


I have it as Myles Garrett, Jonathon Allen, Solomon Thomas. So that would make him 4. I'm not opposed to drafting a DE at 9 but my point is is Barnett at 9 really better than Walker at 41? I think not. Also Barnett's tackling numbers have gone down every year while walkers have gone up. In out system the rde really needs to set the edge and make tackles and it seems like that's Barnett's weakness. Walker has had 25 sacks his last 2 seasons. Including a 4.5 sacks 2 ff game against ole miss. He too has proven to do it against the best the conference has to offer. And If u can get someone who has the same talent or better at 41.... But I'm not opposed to it. Me personally I'm a big fan of taking Mike Williams at 9 so it might skew my view a little in retrospect.

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At 6'3" 290 lbs Allen is a 4-3 DT(3 technique) or a 3-4 DE(5 technique), I wouldn't consider him a DE. Thomas could play DE in a 4-3 but I don't think he's a better pass rusher than Barrett and the stats prove that fact. Barrett had double digit sacks 3 years in a row in the SEC, that's an amazing accomplishment. If he's available at #9(which I doubt he will be) then I would hope the Bengals would be all over him. 

I like Williams at #9 but I think we can get a similar player in latter rounds, imho it's easier to find a play making WR later in the draft than a play making DE and Williams injury history, lack of deep speed give me pause. 

If I were drafting for the Bengals I would go DE, LB/OG, DT/OT/WR in the first 3 rounds, so that would be:

1. Derek Barnett/Taco Charlton/Solomon Thomas(whichever one is available)

2. Jarrad Davis/Hassan Riddick/Raekwon McMillian/Dan Feeney/Taylor Moton

3. Dalvin Tomlinson/Montavious Adams/Davon Godchaux/Josh Reynolds/Tywan Taylor/Malichi Dupree/Josh Malone/Zay Jones/Adam Bisnowtay/Will Holden/Julien Davenport

 

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