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On 2/18/2017 at 0:16 AM, Jpoore said:


I mean Brandon Marshall is. 32 and 1 year removed from 1500 yards

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Marshall's a good example though of how WRs usually fall off the cliff very quickly when it happens. He went from 1500 yards at age 31 to less than 800 (and looked awful) at age 32.

Happened fast with guys like Andre Johnson, Roddy White, etc. too.

 

 

 

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Marshall's a good example though of how WRs usually fall off the cliff very quickly when it happens. He went from 1500 yards at age 31 to less than 800 (and looked awful) at age 32.
Happened fast with guys like Andre Johnson, Roddy White, etc. too.
 
 
 

Yeah I get ur point but I think that's was way more a pattern of Fitzpatrick returning to his shitty self. Also didn't have Eric decker for most of the season. Still think Marshall is a 1000 yard receiver.

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8 hours ago, Jpoore said:


Yeah I get ur point but I think that's was way more a pattern of Fitzpatrick returning to his shitty self. Also didn't have Eric decker for most of the season. Still think Marshall is a 1000 yard receiver.

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QB definitely matters, but we'll have to agree to disagree on Marshall. He was the worst receiver on the Jets last year according to most of the advanced stats.  

He had a catch rate of 46.1% (59 catches on 128 targets). Jets QBs had 3 TDs and 9 INTs targeting Marshall. Overall, Jets QBs had a 47.1 QB rating targeting Marshall that was 20 points below their overall QB rating (67.0), which was one of the biggest negatives for any receiver in the NFL. The only 2 WRs worse were Marqise Goodwin and Jermaine Kearse.

 

On a Bengals note, Dalton had a 116.3 rating targeting Dalton and a 91.8 overall, +25 when throwing to Green, which was a top 5 WR score in the NFL. 

 

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11 hours ago, Jpoore said:


Yeah but not the next aj green or Keenan Allens....

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Good thing we already have the actual A.J. Green instead of worrying about finding the future one.

If fans like this were to decide our offseason plans every year, we'd have a roster full of 90 high round QBs, WR1s, and pass rush specialists.

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13 minutes ago, spicoli said:

not to mention, the next AJ Green is not in this draft class....not even close actually. 

There are quite a few people comparing Corey Davis to TO.  It's impossible to predict someone to be that good, but based on his body type and how he plays, I can see the comparisons in the style of their games.

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3 minutes ago, spicoli said:

I like Corey Davis as a prospect, more so than Williams actually.....I just don't see either of them as being the top-tier prospects that AJ Green was however, and that's ok..

 

Agreed.  Would you be upset if we drafted Davis if Foster, Barnett and Thomas were still on the board?

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12 hours ago, Jpoore said:


Yeah but not the next aj green or Keenan Allens....
 

 

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Great WR's have been drafted in every round. Some weren't drafted at all.  Maybe we should draft the next Gronk in round 2 instead? 

 

Draft position guarantees nothing but their salary.

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15 minutes ago, WRAPradio said:

 

Agreed.  Would you be upset if we drafted Davis if Foster, Barnett and Thomas were still on the board?

well I have Davis, Barnett and Williams a tier below Thomas and Foster, so as long as those two were off the board I wouldn't be upset at all.

I do think DE is a slightly bigger need, just not enough of one to nitpick too much.

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20 minutes ago, WRAPradio said:

There are quite a few people comparing Corey Davis to TO.  It's impossible to predict someone to be that good, but based on his body type and how he plays, I can see the comparisons in the style of their games.

I don't see the TO comparison at all.  TO was huge.  Taller than Davis and a lot thicker.  Davis has good, but not great size.  

I like Jerry Rice as a physical comp for Corey Davis.  I am not saying that Davis is even in the same ballpark as Jerry Rice, but he is the same "type" of WR as Jerry Rice.  

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2 minutes ago, BlackBengal said:

I don't see the TO comparison at all.  TO was huge.  Taller than Davis and a lot thicker.  Davis has good, but not great size.  

I like Jerry Rice as a physical comp for Corey Davis.  I am not saying that Davis is even in the same ballpark as Jerry Rice, but he is the same "type" of WR as Jerry Rice.  

Interesting, I never considered Jerry.  Keep in mind Jerry was good when I was young so maybe I don't remember young Jerry too much, but I think Davis is more explosive.  I wouldn't be surprised if Davis added 10-15 more pounds and I think he'd start looking more like TO.  He also breaks tackles, which I really don't remember Jerry doing too much. When I think Jerry I think deceptive speed, great route runner and great hands (with stick 'em).  

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On 2/17/2017 at 11:56 AM, WRAPradio said:

 

I agree that we can't fill all five or six spots with stars, but assuming Mike Williams or C. Davis are the highest on our board when it gets to our pick, would you be opposed at drafting one of them?

Davis is by far the best pick at #9 imo. It also gives them a big time deep threat opposite AJ and when AJ's contract runs out Davis has a shot to develop into a big time #1 WR as AJ is starting to decline a little and not be a complete superstar. Mike Williams is not a #1 WR and isn't a deep threat. He should have a  good career but I'm not taking a WR top 10 that can't be a big time #1 WR.

Deep threat WR and pass rusher are the 2 areas are this teams biggest weaknesses and this draft is loaded with DL so it benefits the team more to grab a big time WR followed by a 2nd round DE (and double dip again in the 3rd or 4th round as well).

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Good thing we already have the actual A.J. Green instead of worrying about finding the future one.
If fans like this were to decide our offseason plans every year, we'd have a roster full of 90 high round QBs, WR1s, and pass rush specialists.

Yeah a guy who will be 29 by the time the season starts. He probably has 2-3 elite years left. I love aj green and he is the best wr in the league. But we need to get ahead of this crap. Look what happened last year we lost sanu and Jones and had nobody to replace them. Why not draft Williams now have him be the number 2 for the next 2 Years and as green slows down and starts showing his age around 31,32 switch green to the 2 Williams to the 1. I'm a realist and they're the only picks worth a top 10 that is a position of need. BTW also would be okay with Davis.

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1. We don't need that. 
2. Wasn't Antonio Brown a 6th round pick?  
 

Again not in this draft class. There is a huge drop off after the top 2. And yes we do need that. Anyone remember how good those colts teams were with Wayne and Harrisson? Williams is being compared to Keenan Allen or plaxico Burress. U wouldnt take those players opposite of green?

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If the Bengals draft a WR in the first round I am guessing it will be Mike Williams and not Corey Davis.  Bengals will almost always go for the big school, high profile guy with their first round picks.  Especially when they are drafting in the top of the first round.  

More and more it is seeming like an option even hobsin has it as they are considering it.

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Davis is by far the best pick at #9 imo. It also gives them a big time deep threat opposite AJ and when AJ's contract runs out Davis has a shot to develop into a big time #1 WR as AJ is starting to decline a little and not be a complete superstar. Mike Williams is not a #1 WR and isn't a deep threat. He should have a  good career but I'm not taking a WR top 10 that can't be a big time #1 WR.
Deep threat WR and pass rusher are the 2 areas are this teams biggest weaknesses and this draft is loaded with DL so it benefits the team more to grab a big time WR followed by a 2nd round DE (and double dip again in the 3rd or 4th round as well).

I have Williams a hair ahead of Davis imo. Williams is supposed to run a 4.48 at the combine at 225 pounds. He's compared most often to Keenan Allen. his ceiling is megatron.Corey Davis is projected to run a 4.48-4.52 at 213. I see Davis as a obj type player where he catches slants and runs it to the house. Also Williams is definitely a number 1 wr he did it against the best competion in football and in the last 2 games he dominated 3 first round corners. I'd Williams runs a 4.55 or up I will change it but as long as he runs a 4.48-4.50 at 225 pounds it's not gonna change for me. He would take over the number 1 spot for aj in 2 Years. As far as defensive end I completely agree with you. I've been a huge fan of demarcus Walker out of fsu in the second round and he has the best numbers out of any of the defensive ends last 2 years. If kpassagnon drops to the third would love to get him as well.

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1 hour ago, Jpoore said:


I have Williams a hair ahead of Davis imo. Williams is supposed to run a 4.48 at the combine at 225 pounds. He's compared most often to Keenan Allen. his ceiling is megatron.Corey Davis is projected to run a 4.48-4.52 at 213. I see Davis as a obj type player where he catches slants and runs it to the house. Also Williams is definitely a number 1 wr he did it against the best competion in football and in the last 2 games he dominated 3 first round corners. I'd Williams runs a 4.55 or up I will change it but as long as he runs a 4.48-4.50 at 225 pounds it's not gonna change for me. He would take over the number 1 spot for aj in 2 Years. As far as defensive end I completely agree with you. I've been a huge fan of demarcus Walker out of fsu in the second round and he has the best numbers out of any of the defensive ends last 2 years. If kpassagnon drops to the third would love to get him as well.

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40 times mean nothing to me. They rarely translate to the field. When you watch guys run routes Davis is the guy who can run his routes, sell CBs and do it at full speed. Williams is usually making contested catches as he doesn't cut or run routes really clean. He reminds me much more of an Anquan Boldin. He's good but he's not gonna take the top off defenses and is much better suited in that role. Davis can smoke people deep and will go up and make the catches high, in traffic or in stride. 

I really want to double dip at DE between rounds 2-4. I think Walker is one of the most interesting prospects in the draft in how he translates to the NFL.

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