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2 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

Wont be upset by any of the picks until I see them get actual NFL time and determine what kind of NFL player they will be, but the Howard pick I'm very 'meh about, not because I don't think he can play, but because if we end up with him I feel it will because all the other options we taken.

I'll be upset if we take Reddick or Ross because I feel they don't fit our scheme (Reddick) or fit our needs (Ross). Both have question marks with either competition or injuries as well. If we would take either at 9 I'm not going to lose my mind and try to blow up PBS and call everyone on here that likes those guys idiot assfaces or anything, but I'll be bummed that we didn't take someone that I personally felt was a better fit for us.

I think it's all going to come down to who the FO wants as a pass rusher where this board is VERY split on who is good and who isn't at 9 overall. Lapham has said we're going receiver if the pass rusher we want isn't there, and Lap is the guy that has predicted almost every first rounder (at least by position) in recent memory. The question is....who is the pass rusher(s) the Bengals are eyeing? Are they crossing their fingers that Allen drops? Do they like Barnett? Do they view Taco as a legit #9 overall pick? I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if Barnett is taken and I certainly wouldn't mind Allen falling, but I'm really unsure about Taco Charlton if that's one of the guys the team happens to like. It will be funny if they take a pass rusher and it's not even a guy we've all been talking about whatsoever.

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2 minutes ago, omgdrdoom said:

I'll be upset if we take Reddick or Ross because I feel they don't fit our scheme (Reddick) or fit our needs (Ross). Both have question marks with either competition or injuries as well. If we would take either at 9 I'm not going to lose my mind and try to blow up PBS and call everyone on here that likes those guys idiot assfaces or anything, but I'll be bummed that we didn't take someone that I personally felt was a better fit for us.

I think it's all going to come down to who the FO wants as a pass rusher where this board is VERY split on who is good and who isn't at 9 overall. Lapham has said we're going receiver if the pass rusher we want isn't there, and Lap is the guy that has predicted almost every first rounder (at least by position) in recent memory. The question is....who is the pass rusher(s) the Bengals are eyeing? Are they crossing their fingers that Allen drops? Do they like Barnett? Do they view Taco as a legit #9 overall pick? I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if Barnett is taken and I certainly wouldn't mind Allen falling, but I'm really unsure about Taco Charlton if that's one of the guys the team happens to like. It will be funny if they take a pass rusher and it's not even a guy we've all been talking about whatsoever.

I may have asked this as I tend to half pay attention to things during the offseason, but is it Ross himself or the position of WR that would upset you?

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Just now, Jamie_B said:

I may have asked this as I tend to half pay attention to things during the offseason, but is it Ross himself or the position of WR that would upset you?

Yeah I believe it was you that asked me this before, but it's all good because I'm going to give you a different answer than before. It's mostly Ross, and now also the position. My mind changes about this a lot BTW so you may get a different answer yet again if you ask me this in 3 days LOL

Ross has some injury history that is scary to see, but he's looked good since so I won't hold it against him too much. He's played some reasonable to good competition, so I can't knock him for that. It's not like he's the worst prospect of all time in my eyes, I just think he's going to get jammed the fuck up by physical CBs and isn't going to be flying past everyone at the NFL level just because he ran fast on spandex day. He has good football speed but it's not the elite 40 yd dash time fast when he's actually on the field. I don't think he's a threat to take short passes to the house, he'll just get killed by any physical DB that's in the area if that's what an offense tries to do with him.

I think he's a good but not great prospect, so that's not someone I take at #9 overall. I hope his fast 40 time gives the incentive for another team to fuck up and take him with a premium draft pick. I'd snap pick Williams or Davis over him any day. I prefer Williams because I think he fits what we need, and that's a big target that can help out a lot in the short to medium areas of the field and has produced against good competition and the guy just looks like a pro out there.

Howeeevvverrrrr, if we're taking someone to catch the football, gimme OJ Howard. People on this board have talked me into him. I didn't really do my homework on the guy before because I never thought I'd even consider being okay with a TE at 9. After seeing a lot on here about him I've read up and watched him closely and I'm on the Howard train now IF we take a player on offense with our first rounder.

I still prefer defense though if a pass rusher, safety, or LB is there that the team wants.

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1 minute ago, omgdrdoom said:

Yeah I believe it was you that asked me this before, but it's all good because I'm going to give you a different answer than before. It's mostly Ross, and now also the position. My mind changes about this a lot BTW so you may get a different answer yet again if you ask me this in 3 days LOL

Ross has some injury history that is scary to see, but he's looked good since so I won't hold it against him too much. He's played some reasonable to good competition, so I can't knock him for that. It's not like he's the worst prospect of all time in my eyes, I just think he's going to get jammed the fuck up by physical CBs and isn't going to be flying past everyone at the NFL level just because he ran fast on spandex day. He has good football speed but it's not the elite 40 yd dash time fast when he's actually on the field. I don't think he's a threat to take short passes to the house, he'll just get killed by any physical DB that's in the area if that's what an offense tries to do with him.

I think he's a good but not great prospect, so that's not someone I take at #9 overall. I hope his fast 40 time gives the incentive for another team to fuck up and take him with a premium draft pick. I'd snap pick Williams or Davis over him any day. I prefer Williams because I think he fits what we need, and that's a big target that can help out a lot in the short to medium areas of the field and has produced against good competition and the guy just looks like a pro out there.

Howeeevvverrrrr, if we're taking someone to catch the football, gimme OJ Howard. People on this board have talked me into him. I didn't really do my homework on the guy before because I never thought I'd even consider being okay with a TE at 9. After seeing a lot on here about him I've read up and watched him closely and I'm on the Howard train now IF we take a player on offense with our first rounder.

I still prefer defense though if a pass rusher, safety, or LB is there that the team wants.

 

 

I watched the O struggle last year with what was imo 2 things, a OL that was shitty at blocking and WRs that couldnt separate, I know we resigned LeFell but for only 2 years and while I didn't look at the contract itself, I imagine the 2nd year we could cut him without much if any cap penalty. I was also a big fan of Tyler Boyd as our 2nd round pick last year and think he will be a solid pro, Nfl.com has Boyd compared to Keenen Allen which I think is fair, a decent WR but if there is a guy that you can get that can get separation, be it from pure speed or being a incredible route runner, I think you got to look at that, even if it's OJ. The only reason I would be 'meh about OJ is I thought Andy and Uzomah were getting some chemistry last year and thought if Uzomah could get more snaps he may be an option.

I wont hate any weapon we can get for Andy, I have preferences, but give him all the weapons you can imo.

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12 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

I watched the O struggle last year with what was imo 2 things, a OL that was shitty at blocking and WRs that couldnt separate, I know we resigned LeFell but for only 2 years and while I didn't look at the contract itself, I imagine the 2nd year we could cut him without much if any cap penalty. I was also a big fan of Tyler Boyd as our 2nd round pick last year and think he will be a solid pro, Nfl.com has Boyd compared to Keenen Allen which I think is fair, a decent WR but if there is a guy that you can get that can get separation, be it from pure speed or being a incredible route runner, I think you got to look at that, even if it's OJ. The only reason I would be 'meh about OJ is I thought Andy and Uzomah were getting some chemistry last year and thought if Uzomah could get more snaps he may be an option.

I wont hate any weapon we can get for Andy, I have preferences, but give him all the weapons you can imo.

I think Andy is really good, so I'm not trying to take anything away from him when I say this, but he's obviously a guy that needs everything around him to click to really succeed. Hell, most NFL QBs qualify for that statement so I guess I'm kind of stating the obvious here. With that said, I agree that we should give him all the weapons we possibly can.

I'd say that there's no way we could take anyone BUT to address the o-line @9 if there were any good options there. It would be such a reach to take any lineman this year which really sucks for us.

The fact that this year is weak at QB and o-line on the top end is horrrrrible now that we're finally picking in the top 10 again. If there were even 1 amazing LT and 1 amazing QB prospect this year, we'd be landing an elite prospect @9. Lack of these positions at the top end has fucked us.

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4 hours ago, Jason said:

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41 is a little high for Elflein but I wouldn't hate it.

 

Still not sold on Reddick.

I think Elflein is a day 1 starter at OG or C, plus he's reportedly a great locker room as well. 

 

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What coaches and teammates said about Pat Elflein

Ohio State coach Urban Meyer: “I can’t give an adjective to overemphasize his value to our program. And I’ve done this 29 years. He’s as good a player, person, leader as I’ve ever been around.”

Buckeyes QB J.T. Barrett: “He means a lot to me. He’s one of the best teammates I’ve ever had and that’s just solely because he cares about the people. I think at times, especially when you’re at a top university, you get caught up in doing well and your own individual success. It was one of those things where he had himself together, but he always (sought) out to see how you were doing or how somebody else was doing.”

What the draft experts are saying about Pat Elflein

I’d take Pat Elflein in second round and have a very nice player for 10 years.

— Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) March 3, 2017

 

Elflein: Power game. Versatile. Can play guard or center. Strong ability in the reach game. Easily get to the second level. Smart technician

— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) February 24, 2017

https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state/pat-elflein-nfl-draft-profile

 

 

I trust Urban Meyer and Gil Brandt's opinions, those guys know there stuff and wouldn't stay those things if they weren't true. Not sure why you think the 41st is too high, SI has him at #40. Some think he's the safest pick of all the Buckeye's in the draft and I agree.  If we drafted him in the 2nd round plug him in at RG I believe we would be very pleased with the result.

As for Reddick, I understand that he doesn't have the big school pedigree and was a relative unknown until this year but imo he's one of the best prospects for LB available and his intangibles are off the charts. 

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5 minutes ago, PatternMaster said:

I think Elflein is a day 1 starter at OG or C, plus he's reportedly a great locker room as well. 

I trust Urban Meyer and Gil Brandt's opinions, those guys know there stuff and wouldn't stay those things if they weren't true. Not sure why you think the 41st is too high, SI has him at #40. Some think he's the safest pick of all the Buckeye's in the draft and I agree.  If we drafted him in the 2nd round plug him in at RG I believe we would be very pleased with the result.

As for Reddick, I understand that he doesn't have the big school pedigree and was a relative unknown until this year but imo he's one of the best prospects for LB available and his intangibles are off the charts. 

Wish we could make some moves as far as trades go and end up with some combination of at least 2 of the 3 Ramczyk, Elflein, and Feeney.

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6 minutes ago, omgdrdoom said:

Wish we could make some moves as far as trades go and end up with some combination of at least 2 of the 3 Ramczyk, Elflein, and Feeney.

agreed, I really want Elflein in round2, but I also don't want to reach for him, i think he's our next 10 year solid starter. other important facts about him people don't think about is his height, he's only 6'3" so Andy can see over him, I'm not sure about Feeney who is 6'7", makes it a lot harder for Dalton.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Jets take him and plug him in the next 10 years at center....so they can go 30 years of just 3 centers.

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32 minutes ago, turningpoint said:

agreed, I really want Elflein in round2, but I also don't want to reach for him, i think he's our next 10 year solid starter. other important facts about him people don't think about is his height, he's only 6'3" so Andy can see over him, I'm not sure about Feeney who is 6'7", makes it a lot harder for Dalton.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Jets take him and plug him in the next 10 years at center....so they can go 30 years of just 3 centers.

Feeney is just 6'4", you have him confused with Ethan Pocic, he's the 6'7" center. 

I think because there are so many olineman that are ranked in the late first/early second round he could fall to us at #41. 

40 minutes ago, omgdrdoom said:

Wish we could make some moves as far as trades go and end up with some combination of at least 2 of the 3 Ramczyk, Elflein, and Feeney.

I agree, I think the best value in this draft would be between picks 25-90. If we could trade with a team like Houston, could be in the market for a QB, for their 1st(#25) and 2nd(#57) or 3rd(#90)round pick that would be ideal. 

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5 hours ago, Jason said:

Still not sold on Reddick.

Exec: Haason Reddick could go before Reuben Foster in draft

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By Lance Zierlein

NFL Media draft analyst

Published: March 17, 2017

The scoop: "It won't surprise me if (Temple LB Haason) Reddick comes off the board before (Alabama LB Reuben) Foster. I like Foster a lot and I think he's the better player of the two, but Reddick is bigger than Foster and is a legit rusher on the edge, too. Any time you have someone who can rush the quarterback, they get pushed up the board." -- NFC pro personnel director

The skinny: The comment about Reddick being bigger than Foster caught me off-guard, but it's true. Reddick came into the NFL Scouting Combine eight pounds heavier than Foster, but I would say that Foster plays stronger and heavier than Reddick once they hit the grass. Reddick's draft value has continued to soar after strong performances at the Senior Bowl and combine. His ability to rush the passer off the edge was something I saw on tape and in one-on-ones at Senior Bowl practices. With more and more defenses looking for hybrid players who can play a variety of roles, Reddick could be the player who benefits most on Day One of the draft.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000793712/article/exec-haason-reddick-could-go-before-reuben-foster-in-draft

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15 hours ago, fluhartz said:

Mr. Hooker is an absolute beast of a playmaker... I would be so jacked if we got him...and so pissed if he was there and we didnt....

Mike Mayock: Jabrill Peppers is the best safety in the 2017 NFL draft

The 2017 NFL draft is loaded with talented safety prospects, with most media rankings kicking their lists off with the likes of LSU’s Jamal Adams and Ohio State’s Malik Hooker.

But one of the biggest names in draft media has a different take.

NFL Network’s Mike Mayock released his updated positional rankings on Tuesday at NFL.com, with a recognizable but surprising name atop the safety column: Michigan’s Jabrill Peppers.

While few will argue Peppers’ place as one of the best overall athletes in this draft, calling him the best safety prospect in a loaded group takes quite the leap of faith. Peppers played a million different positions for the Wolverines, but while his best fit at the next level is likely at safety, he’s somewhat of a blind projection even there.

Peppers was an effective defender in the box last season, when he lined up primarily at linebacker, using his speed and natural athleticism to flow downhill and close on ball-carriers. But his struggles with technique and fluidity in coverage were painfully obvious, and the fact that he only had one takeaway in two seasons raises questions about his ability to make big plays in the NFL.

There’s no doubt Peppers should make an immediate impact as a return specialist, and there’s a strong case to be made for him being a better fit on the offensive side of the ball. He’s a developmental prospect no matter where you put him, and he’s at his best when he’s in space with the ball in his hands.

I love Peppers’ athleticism, versatility and personality, and think he can eventually become an impact player because of his passion and dedication to the game. But when stacking him up against this year’s deep and talented safety class, there are quite a few prospects in that group who are more refined and ready to be immediate starters at the position.

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/03/21/mike-mayock-jabrill-peppers-is-the-best-safety-in-the-2017-nfl-draft/

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Mike Mayock's 2017 NFL Draft position rankings 2.0

By Mike Mayock

NFL Media draft analyst

Published: March 21, 2017

Mike Mayock unveils the second of his position-by-position rankings for the 2017 NFL Draft.

Quarterback

1. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
2. Deshaun Watson, Clemson
3. Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina
4. Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech
5. Davis Webb, California

Running Back

1. Leonard Fournette, LSU
2. Christian McCaffrey, Stanford
3. Dalvin Cook, Florida State
4. Alvin Kamara, Tennessee
5. Samaje Perine, Oklahoma

Rise: Fournette (2), McCaffrey (3), Perine (NR)
Fall: Cook (1), Joe Mixon, Oklahoma (5, added to special exceptions)

Wide receiver

1. Corey Davis, Western Michigan
2. Mike Williams, Clemson
3. John Ross, Washington
4. Zay Jones, East Carolina
T-5. Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington
T-5. JuJu Smith-Schuster, USC

Rise: Jones (5), Smith-Schuster (NR)
Fall: Kupp (4),

Tight end

1. O.J. Howard, Alabama
2. David Njoku, Miami
3. Evan Engram, Ole Miss
4. Gerald Everett, South Alabama
5. George Kittle, Iowa

Rise: Everett (5), Kittle (NR)
Fall: Jake Butt, Michigan (4, added to special exceptions)

Offensive tackle

1. Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin
2. Garett Bolles, Utah
3. Antonio Garcia, Troy
4. Roderick Johnson, Florida State
T-5. Taylor Moton, Western Michigan
T-5. Jermaine Eluemunor, Texas A&M

Interior OL

1. Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky
2. Cam Robinson, Alabama
3. Dan Feeney, Indiana
4. Dion Dawkins, Temple
T-5. Ethan Pocic, LSU
T-5. Pat Elflein, Ohio State

Rise: Dawkins (5), Elflein (NR)
Fall: Pocic (4)

Interior DL

1. Jonathan Allen, Alabama
2. Caleb Brantley, Florida
3. Malik McDowell, Michigan State
4. Larry Ogunjobi, Charlotte
5. Chris Wormley, Michigan

Edge rusher

1. Myles Garrett, Texas A&M
2. Solomon Thomas, Stanford
3. Derek Barnett, Tennessee
4. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
5. Tim Williams, Alabama

Rise: Thomas (4), McKinley (5)
Fall: Williams (2)

Linebacker

1. Reuben Foster, Alabama
2. Haason Reddick, Temple
3. Jarrad Davis, Florida
4. Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt
5. Alex Anzalone, Florida

Rise: Davis (4)
Fall: Cunningham (3)

Cornerback

1. Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State
2. Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
3. Kevin King, Washington
4. Gareon Conley, Ohio State
5. Fabian Moreau, UCLA

Rise: Lattimore (2), Humphrey (3), King (NR), Conley (NR), Moreau (NR)
Fall: Sidney Jones, Washington (1, added to special exceptions), Teez Tabor, Florida (4), Tre'Davious White, LSU (5)

Nickel

1. Budda Baker, Washington
2. Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado
3. Jourdan Lewis, Michigan
4. Desmond King, Iowa
5. Damontae Kazee, San Diego State

Safety

1. Jabrill Peppers, Michigan
2. Jamal Adams, LSU
3. Malik Hooker, Ohio State
4. Obi Melifonwu, Connecticut
T-5. Marcus Williams, Utah
T-5. Marcus Maye, Florida

Rise: Peppers (3), Melifonwu (5), Williams (NR), Maye (NR)
Fall: Hooker (1) , Budda Baker, Washington (4, added to nickel)

Special exceptions

1. Adoree' Jackson, USC
2. Curtis Samuel, Ohio State
3. Sidney Jones, Washington
4. Jake Butt, Michigan
5. Joe Mixon, Oklahoma

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000794141/article/mike-mayocks-2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings-2

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1 hour ago, PatternMaster said:

I think Elflein is a day 1 starter at OG or C, plus he's reportedly a great locker room as well. 

 

 

I trust Urban Meyer and Gil Brandt's opinions, those guys know there stuff and wouldn't stay those things if they weren't true. Not sure why you think the 41st is too high, SI has him at #40. Some think he's the safest pick of all the Buckeye's in the draft and I agree.  If we drafted him in the 2nd round plug him in at RG I believe we would be very pleased with the result.

As for Reddick, I understand that he doesn't have the big school pedigree and was a relative unknown until this year but imo he's one of the best prospects for LB available and his intangibles are off the charts. 

The rankings I follow have him at 71.  Like I said though, I wouldn't hate it.  I also would be surprised if they did.  I think they are still hitching their wagon to Bodine.

To clarify, the ":31:" is for Taco at 9.  :) 

 

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18 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

Exec: Haason Reddick could go before Reuben Foster in draft

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By Lance Zierlein

NFL Media draft analyst

Published: March 17, 2017

The scoop: "It won't surprise me if (Temple LB Haason) Reddick comes off the board before (Alabama LB Reuben) Foster. I like Foster a lot and I think he's the better player of the two, but Reddick is bigger than Foster and is a legit rusher on the edge, too. Any time you have someone who can rush the quarterback, they get pushed up the board." -- NFC pro personnel director

The skinny: The comment about Reddick being bigger than Foster caught me off-guard, but it's true. Reddick came into the NFL Scouting Combine eight pounds heavier than Foster, but I would say that Foster plays stronger and heavier than Reddick once they hit the grass. Reddick's draft value has continued to soar after strong performances at the Senior Bowl and combine. His ability to rush the passer off the edge was something I saw on tape and in one-on-ones at Senior Bowl practices. With more and more defenses looking for hybrid players who can play a variety of roles, Reddick could be the player who benefits most on Day One of the draft.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000793712/article/exec-haason-reddick-could-go-before-reuben-foster-in-draft

And I'm STILL not sold on him.  :)  He has played 1 game as a LB, the Senior Bowl.  As athletic as he is, he's a project.  Our history with projects sucks.  He may well turn out to be a great player.  I just don't know if it would happen here.

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13 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

Can we somehow tie Hooker to the Russians and Trump so he'll fall a few spots?

:ninja: ?

I'm starting to think he will be there at #9 and watch us pass right over him and watch CLE draft him where, he will Ed Reed us for the next 10 seasons.

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48 minutes ago, Hooky said:

Another good thing about picking 9. We could easily get 2 first round caliber picks.

Very true, let's just hope we aren't stuck holding out jock strap becuase they guy we wanted was picked the pick ahead of us, it feels like it has gone that way for us the past 2-3 drafts...hoping we can get back into the 2010-12 drafts where we killed it.

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I feel like a lot of people are going to be overwhelmingly happy with our 2nd round pick because this draft seems so deep for talent between the end of the 1st round and middle of the 3rd.
I also feel like #9 is going to cause some huge arguments across all Bengals message boards. Guys like Reddick, Ross, Williams, Charlton, Barnett, and even Foster to an extent seem to be either love or hate picks in the top 10. Very strong feelings on both sides for a lot of those guys and not too much in between.

This is exactly right. If they go de thats not one of top 3 at 9 half the people will go crazy, if they go wr at 9, same thing. If they go rb at 9, same. Its a crapshoot at 9 on these boards.

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