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[b][u][size=4][quote]Who Dat [/size][/u][/b]

In three hundred years of existence as a political entity, Louisiana has yet to rise above its subservient colonial status. From its earliest days, the French, the Spanish, and the Americans have systematically expropriated the natural and cultural resources of the "gret stet" and left its toiling citizens with little in return other than the occasional put-down.. oh and a ruined coastline.. and a half-assed, federally designed flood control system.

One particularly grating example of [b]insulting cultural expropriation by the ingratious Americans[/b] will be on evidence [b]this Sunday at the Superdome where fans of the Cincinnati Bengals will inevitably bring their "Who Dey Think They Gonna Beat Them Bengals" cheer.[/b] :thumbsup: [size=4][b]"Who Dey" is wrong on so many levels from its borderline racist cultural insensitivity,[/size] :blink: to its ahistorical phoniness, to its absolute rhythm deafness, and finally its outright plagiarism.[/b]

The refrain "Who Dat Say Dey Gonna Beat Dem Saints" popular among Saints fans draws on a linguistic construction active in African-American speech for over a hundred years. The ties between this construction and New Orleans culture are unmistakable. It shows up in early Jazz, Vaudeville acts, and minstrel shows such as Paul Laurence Dunbar and Will Marian Cook's Who Dat Say Chicken in This Crowd.

Over the years "who dat" has shown up in various places. During the Second World War it made its way into popular usage via its appearance as a joke phrase among enlisted men (one example).

The chant "Who Dat Say Dey Gonna Beat.." is reported to have grown up in the 50s and 60s with the Southern University and New Orleans high school football teams before finally (inevitably?) being adopted by Saints fans in the late 70s.

[b]Bengals fans began using their version shortly thereafter in the 1980s.. but obnoxiously claim not to be ripping it off. "Who Dey Think" is an obvious plagiarism because it has no observable basis in linguistic tradition.[/b] Even in colloquial language there are certain rules and standards applied to usage. While "who dat say" appears to permeate the culture associated with it, [b]"who dey think" originates from an outside attempt to approximate that culture. In other words.. it's what happens when white people try to talk black... and yes that implies all sorts of racial insensitivity and condescension[/b] :huh: which [b]I'll not go into other than to say Bengals fans are major douchebags.[/b] :shakesfist: [color="#FF0000"](Fuck you ... that is why Marvins Dad drown your fucking city) [/color]

"Who dey think" also makes much less sense as a cheer than "Who dat say" as the latter is an obvious response to a boast while the former clumsily presumes that someone might be thinking such a boast. [b]"Who dey" is not only a culturally insensitive ripoff,[/b] it also lacks clarity. Plus it just sounds bad. Which one would you rather sing?

[b]So go ahead, Bengals fans, invaders from the North. Rob us of our heritage.[/b] :rolleyes: God knows we're used to it by now. [b][u]Just don't expect to beat our football team this week.[/u][/b] [color="#FF0000"](we ended up winning)[/color] :headbang: It's close to all we have left.[/quote]


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[size=3][quote][b]Bengals notes:[/b][/size]

This was the most disappointing game of the season..if only because the Saints blew an opportunity to avenge themselves of [b]Bengals fans for their insensitive purloining of our "Who Dat".[/b] We were expecting justice. We received only bitter disappointment. Damn that orange hat.[/quote]


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[color="#FF0000"][b]Maybe FEMA didn't do such a bad job after-all? [/b][/color]

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[b][size=4][u][quote]History of Who-Dey Chant for the Bengals[/u][/size][/b]


Rumors (It came from the Saints, It came from Alcorn State University, It came from LSU.)

[b]Today you learn how it got started,[/b] when it started and where it traveled once it became popular. It started in November of 1981. And following is the stepping stone to it's arrival.

The Bengals were going up against the Steelers in the middle of October. Both had records of 4-2. The Steelers lost their first two games and then went on to win 4 in a row. It was the lowly Bengals playing the Super Bowl Champs of 1979 who was 9-7 in 1980. It was a big deal beating the Steelers because the Bengals already were defeated by co division leaders Houston and Cleveland who were 11-5 the year before.

At that time pissburgh was the big game of the year. That and Buffalo who was 11-5 also in 1980. The Buffalo Bills game didn't mean as much because the Bengals only beat teams that had worse records than them in 1981 before that game. The first two games were against the Jets and Seahawks who had records of 4-12 in 1980. And Baltimore who won 1 more games than the Bengals in 1980.

The pissburgh game meant more than all other games at the time. The Bengals Superbowl at the time. [b]They won their Superbowl beating the Steelers 34-7.[/b] But the Bengals had a let down game following that game going against the Saints or (Ain'ts at that time). Losing 17-7.

The future didn't look bright. Because next on the schedule every team had a winning record the year before. And the next 3 team were 11-5 after the 1980 season. First Houston who already beat us, then the Chargers and Rams. All three were in the playoffs the prior two years,The Rams and Oilers prior 3 years. San Diego was picked to win the Superbowl in 1981. Plus we had Cleveland again, who were 11-5 and Atlanta who finish 1980 at 12-4. Five of the teams had a total of 24 loses in 1980

Cincinnati went on a great run. After starting out 5-3. They beat Houston by 13, San Diego by 23 and Los Angeles by 14. The chant started after the San Diego game. Second game of November. The Bengals had 5 games in November and won all 5. Beating every team by more than 2 TD's. The Bengals only lost one more game all the way up to the Superbowl. That game was against the 49'ers who they also played and lost to in the Superbowl.

[b]The chant started, Who They think is going to beat them Bengals.[/b] ( Cincinnati was on a roll.they were 7-3 a season after they finished 6-10 and prior two seasons 4-12) When some hollered, [b]"Who They think is going to beat them Bengals" Other fans would reply with "Nobody"[/b]

A week or two later. The whole chant started to grow, and the nobody was stretched out to Noooo Boooooooody. [b]Coming from an old car commericial of (Red Frazier Ford ) who was out of business at the time. But had a very popular commercial, Who's going to give you a better deal than Red Frazier? Nooo Boooody.[/b]

[b]Following that, the chant put was on a 45 record. Recorded by Cincinnati's WLW weatherman Who's first name was Zip. [/b]

From the banks of the Ohio comes that orange and black machine
They're the Cincinnati Bengals The finest ever seen
With stripes upon their helmets and fire in their eyes
They'll take the field they will not yield
They're strong and tough and wise
[b]Who Dey.Who Dey, Who Dey think gonna beat them Bengals[/b]
Who Dey, Who Dey, Who Dey think gonna beat them Bengals
Who Dey, Who Dey, Who Dey think gonna beat them Bengals
Who Dey, Who Dey, Who Dey think gonna beat them Bengals

Hear that Bengal growling, mean and angry
See that Bengal prowling, lean and hungry
An offensive brute, run, pass, or boot
And defensively, he's rough errrr tough errrr
Cincinnati Bengals that's the team were gonna cheer to victory
Touchdown Bengals!!
Put some points up on the board and win a game for Cincinnati!

Who Dey, Who Dey, Who Dey think gonna beat them Bengals
Who Dey, Who Dey, Who Dey think gonna beat them Bengals
Who Dey, Who Dey, Who Dey think gonna beat them Bengals
[b]Who Dey, Who Dey, Who Dey think gonna beat them Bengals

Noooooobodyyyyy[/b]

:contract: [size=4][b]When Cincinnati made the playoffs, the Hudepohl beer company jumped on the Who Dey bandwagon with their own version in Hu Dey Beer. [/b][/size]

[b]Who they think is going to beat them Bengals. Quickly changed to Who Dey think is gonna beat dem Bengals.[/b]

:contract: :contract: :contract: [size=4][b]Now you will hear stories of where it started and it wasn't Cincinnati. But I assure you. It came from Cincinnati during November of 1981.[/b] [/size]

[b]Who Dat?. :pointlaff: The New Orleans Saints fans [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//30.gif[/img] want to lay claim to Who Dey through Who Dat. .Not only did it not start with the Saints, I can show where the Saints picked it up and who were the people who changed it to Who Dat. [/b] :pointlaff:

[b]The Saint's Who Dat started in 1983,[/b] :pointlaff: :onoudidnt: Bum Phillips had the Saints fans feeling playoffs for the first time in their history. They had their best start ever with a 5-3 record halfway through the season. They lost their first two games by a total of 4 points. They could of easily been 6-0, or 7-1 at the halfway point.

They picked up Who Dat somewhere during those first 8 games, but their dream season wasn't to be. They Saints finished opposite of how they started, winning only three more games and finishing 8-8

The Saint's Who Dat started up again in 1987 the year they started out 3-3 and never lost another game until they made the playoffs.

Losing to the Viking in their first playoff game. Before 1987 the Saints were known as the Ain'ts, never having a winning record until 1987. They went 8-8 twice, but could never end up above .500.

The reason many believe it came from the Saints, was because their Who Dat chant was popular the 1987 season and the Bengals Who Dey chant was ringing loud in peoples ears the Bengals Super Bowl season of 1988.

[b]The Saints took Who Dat from LSU.[/b] :pointlaff:

It was reported that LSU football was using a who dat chant in 1982. When they went to the Orange Bowl against Nebraska. Orange Bowl History

[b]A year after the Bengals played in the Super Bowl. [/b]LSU finished behind Georgia for the Sec championship. Georgia play Penn St in the Sugar Bowl and lost to the National Champions. LSU lost to Nebraska who finished with second best record in the nation.

The Sec had 4 team in top 20 in 1982. And LSU beat every team in the conference except Georgia (National Championship Game) and Tennessee which they had tied. LSU had the Tiger connection with the Bengals. And in 1981 the Bengals had LSU record holder Charles Alexander on their roster. Who still holds the single season rushing record at LSU. So the alum from LSU watch the Bengals closely because of Charles Alexander.
So it was easy for them to pick up the Who Dey chant and revise it to Who Dat when they started winning in 1982.

LSU had the same type Cinderella story as the Bengals. They finished 3-7-1 in 1981 and only beat one conference team. But turned it around in 1982 going 8-2-1 losing only to Georgia in the SEC. The LSU Tigers lost the Orange Bowl game 21-20 against the second best team in the nation at the time. Nebraska.[/quote]


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it's not that serious. Let them believe what they want, they gave a good arguement,though flawed..:lol: Funny how they were upset they didn't win. :lol:

[quote]We were expecting justice. We received only bitter disappointment. Damn that orange hat.[/quote]

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[center][size=3][quote name='sneaky' post='498955' date='Jun 12 2007, 01:35 AM'][color="#FF0000"][b]Maybe FEMA didn't do such a bad job after-all? [/b][/color][/quote][/size]




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[quote name='ThorntonMelon' post='499129' date='Jun 12 2007, 01:55 PM']Does anyone really care about this?[/quote]


[font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]As a Bengal fan I do ...

and you did enough to respond.


Trust me ... someone cares about everything .... surprisingly even you :ninja:[/b][/size][/font]

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[quote]The refrain "Who Dat Say Dey Gonna Beat Dem Saints" popular among Saints fans draws on a linguistic construction active in African-American speech for over a hundred years. The ties between this construction and New Orleans culture are unmistakable. It shows up in early Jazz, Vaudeville acts, and minstrel shows such as Paul Laurence Dunbar and Will Marian Cook's Who Dat Say Chicken in This Crowd.[/quote]

Paul Laurence Dunbar was from Dayton Ohio, 50 miles north of Cincinnati, yet they seem to be claiming him as their own. Fuckers.

[quote]Paul Laurence Dunbar was the first African-American to gain national eminence as a poet. Born in 1872 in Dayton, Ohio, he was the son of ex-slaves and classmate to Orville Wright of aviation fame.[/quote]

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I prefer this version of the beer looter guy.

He's stealing Heineken just like the Saints stole our chant. And when we play them in the pre-season, we're going to put a hurting on New Orleans so bad that they'll think Katrina was a slight breeze.

[b]WHO DEY MOTHER FUCKERS![/b]
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[quote name='joshua' post='499192' date='Jun 12 2007, 03:55 PM'][img]http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9166/5ylb6kxve4.jpg[/img]
I prefer this version of the beer looter guy.

He's stealing Heineken just like the Saints stole our chant. And when we play them in the pre-season, we're going to put a hurting on New Orleans so bad that they'll think Katrina was a slight breeze.

[b]WHO DEY MOTHER FUCKERS![/b][/quote]

when they come to Cincy this summer, im gonna give it to every aints fan that their nothing but a bunch of thiefs!
and only one year wonder!!!
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I had a great time down in 'Nawlins for the game last November, wish we played them down there every year....though, it probably had something to do with the ass woopin' we gave them...but honestly, who cares? We said Who Dey, they said Who Dat...obvious we won so Who Dey is better.

Outside of the bandwagon Reggie Bush jersey wearing fans, most Saints fans were as cool as could possibly be. Great fucking town...very hot, very fun women. Phenominal weekend down there.
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