[Lucid]

oldschooler, on 29 July 2010 - 03:12 PM, said:

Why stop being snide now?

How in the fuck does them having an upgrade on the roster equate to them being the problem
with the passing game struggles? And how does them expecting a unit that had little experience
together, and in some cases, NFL experience period equate to that? Seriously. How does that
even make sense? You are talking about the future. Them getting better. That should be a given.
I was talking about last season. And how they didn't make any moves that wasn't already on
last year's roster to the "shitty" O-line.

Do YOU get it now?

Or are you going to call me obtuse again? lol

I said "being obtuse" meaning it was intentional that you were ignoring the meaning of the post.. Not that you were stupid.. I can see you didn't get my meaning with that, and I apologize for any offense.

I don't understand why you are confused, and why you seem to be getting so upset...

It's simple... The line wasn't very good at pass protection last season... They also have a first round pick from last year that didn't get to take over RT as they had planned. I believe the coached didn't sign or draft any replacements because the expect Andre to take over RT (an upgrade over last season) and they expect Cook and Mathis/Livings to get better (= getting better at C and LG).

Like I said, I think we mostly agree.. The only difference is that I think the line play from last year wasn't that great (especially in pass pro) and I don't think lack of drafting/signing new starters is not an argument against that belief.

Can we keep the argument civil please?

[alleycat]

LOL. As the one who started this whole thing, let me just tell you two that you completely agree with each other!

[Lucid]

alleycat, on 29 July 2010 - 03:46 PM, said:

LOL. As the one who started this whole thing, let me just tell you two that you completely agree with each other!

I know... Isn't it wierd?

[eva4ben-gal]

bengaled, on 29 July 2010 - 02:24 PM, said:

that's a helluva shot from someone named eva. you got a hair up your ass today?

Take shots at my screen name all you want, I knew when I picked it somebody would eventually.
No hair up my ass, although I can say I've ever actually gotten a mirror out and looked up there so I could be wrong.
My problem is your insistence that Willie is somehow an upgrade over a player that started, and yes rotated out, on a playoff team.
Find somebody better to pimp as a replacement and I might get on your side of the argument.

[The Scales]

If I was Mr. Marvin Lewis I'd be highly *insert swear words at ol Andre Smith.

MARVIN
:boese035:
:bullhorn:

:fing03:
:angry2:

:1441:


:contract:


SMITH
:smoke:
:gamer:
:boring:
:schla15:
:rabbitwithapancakeonitshead:
:36:

[The Scales]

Its a promo campaign to Get eva in a Ben gals outfit on the sidelines cheering for our amusement!

And they call me retarded.

[eva4ben-gal]

The Scales, on 29 July 2010 - 04:07 PM, said:

Its a promo campaign to Get eva in a Ben gals outfit on the sidelines cheering for our amusement!

And they call me retarded.

30 Helens agree
http://livingincinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/thirty-helens-400.gif

[kdubdub]

Bunghole, on 29 July 2010 - 02:29 PM, said:

Why is Terrell Owens running around with a bomb in your avatar?

I have had that avatar for years...nohing to do with TO

[BengalsOwn]

Bengals1181, on 28 July 2010 - 10:00 PM, said:

seems no more than a prediction. Maybe wishful thinking on Willie's part.

failcopter

[BengalsOwn]

Steelers just signed Flozell Adams. He would've been nice insurance

[Bengals1181]

BengalsOwn, on 29 July 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

failcopter

funny, must have missed that super secret announcement where they put him on the PUP.

[bengaled]

eva4ben-gal, on 29 July 2010 - 03:58 PM, said:

Take shots at my screen name all you want, I knew when I picked it somebody would eventually.
No hair up my ass, although I can say I've ever actually gotten a mirror out and looked up there so I could be wrong.
My problem is your insistence that Willie is somehow an upgrade over a player that started, and yes rotated out, on a playoff team.
Find somebody better to pimp as a replacement and I might get on your side of the argument.

oh, the misunderstandings that evolve on this board.

i thought i mentioned something along the lines of letting the offensive line coach make that decision. and yeah, personally i think he'd be a possibility
that could work.

and you brought that eva shot on yourself with that condescending attitude and suggestions of women football classes. i don't need that bullshit from you. you get what you give.

[oldschooler]

WillAnderson79 I see on some Blogs sites I was getting hated on for giving info that would be revealed the next day. Some say I was hating! Wow!
9 minutes ago via txt



WillAnderson79 I guess I can't comment on any team's offensive Line cuz it'll be percieved as a slight. It may look like I want that job. Really?
7 minutes ago via txt



WillAnderson79 Anybody that knows me know that I'm all about helping someone who is younger than me! Always have always will! Don't want anybody's job!
6 minutes ago via txt

[oldschooler]

oldschooler, on 29 July 2010 - 11:18 AM, said:

joereedy Jeanty, Nelson, Mathis, Hall and Smith on active PUP list #bengals
29 minutes ago via Twittelator

Bengals1181, on 29 July 2010 - 05:37 PM, said:

funny, must have missed that super secret announcement where they put him on the PUP.

He is on actice PUP.

[bengaled]

oldschooler, on 29 July 2010 - 05:43 PM, said:

WillAnderson79 I see on some Blogs sites I was getting hated on for giving info that would be revealed the next day. Some say I was hating! Wow!
9 minutes ago via txt



WillAnderson79 I guess I can't comment on any team's offensive Line cuz it'll be percieved as a slight. It may look like I want that job. Really?
7 minutes ago via txt



WillAnderson79 Anybody that knows me know that I'm all about helping someone who is younger than me! Always have always will! Don't want anybody's job!
6 minutes ago via txt

works for me big willie. i'm running a one man promotional campaign for you, and getting my head kicked in for it. after all the good years, it's hard for me to believe. i'd bet the staff still thinks much higher of you than some of these fans do. some fans are fickle that way. maybe you can take solace in that, big guy.

[Bengals1181]

oldschooler, on 29 July 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

He is on actice PUP.

thanks. still pretty hasty on Willie's part. Your average fan doesn't know there's an active and inactive list. Most probably don't even know what the PUP list is. He as a player knows, and could have clarified it as "active". But I guess he got more attention this way.

[BengalsNYC]

oldschooler, on 29 July 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

He is on actice PUP.

For now...It's been over a year since we drafted Andre and we really still have no idea what we have.

[Xombie]

JC, on 28 July 2010 - 11:20 PM, said:

Yeah..because the line was so good last year with that All pro tackle Whit on the blind side..It's a wonder we could never throw the ball!!!

Actually let me reword this. I do not believe Whitworth is a "franchise" left tackle..no matter what Carson says. He is a good left tackle but leaves a lot to be desired. He gives reach-arounds more often than a "franchise" left tackle should. The whole line was terrible at pass blocking last year.

And they were thinking about moving Whit to right tackle a year or two ago..so how is it fucking mornonic? Because he is the best player on old or undrafted free agent line?

Wasn't Whit only charged with one sack last year? In a year that we played the Ravens and Stealers twice, the Vikings, and the Jets? 1 sack in those 6 games would have been asking alot. He is better than alot of people give him credit for being.

[The Scales]

eva4ben-gal, on 29 July 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

30 Helens agree
http://livingincinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/thirty-helens-400.gif

Ooops Now that I read what I wrote I can see how you may think I was Baggin on you. Sorry.


You see he was calling you EVA and I was like yo! You can't be serious. It's obviously a tounge in cheek hope on your part to have Eva in the stipped skirt and pom poms. Not you calling yourself Eva. Did you know shes like 5 foot tall?



:angel:

[Bunghole]

kdubdub, on 29 July 2010 - 04:25 PM, said:

I have had that avatar for years...nohing to do with TO

I obviously know that. I was just joshing around, no offense intended.

I despair at Bengals fans arguing about bringing Willie Anderson here. He has the same issues Andre Smith has (being out of shape and lazy) in addition to Willie being old and done for. There's no wellspring of hope in that tank. He's finished and he knows it.

[Bunghole]

oldschooler, on 29 July 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

He is on actice PUP.

Leon Hall is on the active PUP? When did he get hurt?

http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif

[Bengals1181]

Bunghole, on 29 July 2010 - 07:31 PM, said:

Leon Hall is on the active PUP? When did he get hurt?

http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif

back strain I think.


Active PUP isn't really anything. Just saves a roster spot. All it means is he hasn't practiced yet. He could practice tomorrow morning if he wanted.

[bengaled]

Bengals1181, on 29 July 2010 - 06:31 PM, said:

thanks. still pretty hasty on Willie's part. Your average fan doesn't know there's an active and inactive list. Most probably don't even know what the PUP list is. He as a player knows, and could have clarified it as "active". But I guess he got more attention this way.

damn, bro...let it go. willie was gonna break this news (IN HOPES OF INFORMING CONCERNED BENGAL FANS) at the time he broke the signing of TO, but didn't want to bum everyone out, so he waited. there's no conspiracy going on, here, just a guy with connections trying to share news with the many fans that once cheered him on everyday. no more, no less.

[Bengals1181]

bengaled, on 29 July 2010 - 08:12 PM, said:

damn, bro...let it go. willie was gonna break this news (IN HOPES OF INFORMING CONCERNED BENGAL FANS) at the time he broke the signing of TO, but didn't want to bum everyone out, so he waited. there's no conspiracy going on, here, just a guy with connections trying to share news with the many fans that once cheered him on everyday. no more, no less.

yea, that's why he did the whole "BigWIllieTV" stuff. You think Chad and TO are the only players who want attention?


Willie's a bright guy. He posted something that he knew would get people's attention and cause concern. While what he stated was true, it also wasn't accurate, and he's someone who knows the difference between Active PUP and inactive PUP.


Willie wants attention. If he didn't, he would have let the team report it. Instead, he wanted the scoop and led a lot of fans to believe that a player was going to be out for 3 months when in reality, he'll be back much sooner.

[scharm]

There's a mole inside the organization. Panic!

[bengaled]

Bengals1181, on 29 July 2010 - 08:24 PM, said:

yea, that's why he did the whole "BigWIllieTV" stuff. You think Chad and TO are the only players who want attention?


Willie's a bright guy. He posted something that he knew would get people's attention and cause concern. While what he stated was true, it also wasn't accurate, and he's someone who knows the difference between Active PUP and inactive PUP.


Willie wants attention. If he didn't, he would have let the team report it. Instead, he wanted the scoop and led a lot of fans to believe that a player was going to be out for 3 months when in reality, he'll be back much sooner.

ok, i guess we just see this differently. i think you misinterpreted his intentions, but i guess you're of a different mindset. so be it.

[Bengals1181]

bengaled, on 29 July 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

ok, i guess we just see this differently. i think you misinterpreted his intentions, but i guess you're of a different mindset. so be it.

well think about it. You say he's trying to help the fans. How? How is it better that he did it rather than the team? Only difference? It got Willie attention.



I know you have a soft spot for Willie, but is it possible you're seeing what you want to see, just how you claim others are apologists for Mike?

Bengals offered him a deal that would have kept him on the team to teach Stacey while allowing them to build for the future. Willie refused then took less money from a division rival and mentored their young guys. Who disrespected who there?

[scharm]

Willie was a great tackle. One of my favorites. He acted like a bitch when he left and I think he comes across a little bitter through his tweets or quotes. Just the way I read it. But that is often the deal with fans and the players. That said I'd still like to see him join the bengals if can still play. I'm just not sure that's really the deal there.

[bengaled]

Bengals1181, on 29 July 2010 - 08:33 PM, said:

well think about it. You say he's trying to help the fans. How? How is it better that he did it rather than the team? Only difference? It got Willie attention.



I know you have a soft spot for Willie, but is it possible you're seeing what you want to see, just how you claim others are apologists for Mike?

Bengals offered him a deal that would have kept him on the team to teach Stacey while allowing them to build for the future. Willie refused then took less money from a division rival and mentored their young guys. Who disrespected who there?

people makes mistakes. i'd bet one on one, willie would say he made one. you have to move on. you can't judge someone by one event in their life. i'm cool with willie.

IMO willie was playing "mr. newsbreaker" no more, no less.

no big deal, we just see this differently.

[scharm]

So the pissing match over Big Willie aside, is the general feel that Andre's is on PUP because it's not healed or it's because he once again isn't working hard and thus the foot is not in great shape?

[Bengals1181]

scharm, on 29 July 2010 - 09:06 PM, said:

So the pissing match over Big Willie aside, is the general feel that Andre's is on PUP because it's not healed or it's because he once again isn't working hard and thus the foot is not in great shape?

the impression I get from reading peter kings comments from his talk with Marvin, its more about conditioning than his foot.

Before this year I've never heard a player failing a conditioning test be reported, and I'm certain Jeremi would have failed last year (and he didn't practice right away, but they never reported a conditioning test fail). So I'm guessing Andre didn't pass, or wasn't even close enough to test and the Bengals, like they did with Jeremi, just aren't pronouncing it to the world.

So I think there's 3 factors playing a part:


1) foot isn't quite 100%

2) his conditioning is an issue because he's been staying off the foot

3) He's making a boatload and slotted to start so they aren't going to rush him and risk re-injuring it.



The supposed plan is to have him back by the last two preseason games. If that happens, everything will be fine IMO.

[Inigo Montoya]

scharm, on 29 July 2010 - 09:06 PM, said:

So the pissing match over Big Willie aside, is the general feel that Andre's is on PUP because it's not healed or it's because he once again isn't working hard and thus the foot is not in great shape?

Per Peter King's twitter:

"Marvin Lewis not happy with rehab that jillionaire OT Andre Smith did in off-season. Ought to be fully rehabbed from foot injury. He's not."


http://twitter.com/S...tus/19850421425


I interpret that as Marvin placing the blame squarely on Andre.

[Bengal Migration]

scharm, on 29 July 2010 - 09:06 PM, said:

So the pissing match over Big Willie aside, is the general feel that Andre's is on PUP because it's not healed or it's because he once again isn't working hard and thus the foot is not in great shape?

He's Jeremi 2.0

A fat ass that needs to get into fucking shape. They don't want him running around on a healing foot while he's 30 pounds overweight (<-- pulled that # out of my ass)

Or at least that's my take.

[BengalsOwn]

Bengals1181, on 29 July 2010 - 06:31 PM, said:

thanks. still pretty hasty on Willie's part. Your average fan doesn't know there's an active and inactive list. Most probably don't even know what the PUP list is. He as a player knows, and could have clarified it as "active". But I guess he got more attention this way.

lol

pathetic.

[BengalsOwn]

Mike Brown himself could post something on his twitter account, or on the Bengals home page, but if it didn't come from Marvin Lewis himself, 1181 would have doubts. I've never seen anything like it. It's comical.

[Bunghole]

Bengal Migration, on 29 July 2010 - 09:42 PM, said:

He's Jeremi 2.0

A fat ass that needs to get into fucking shape. They don't want him running around on a healing foot while he's 30 pounds overweight (<-- pulled that # out of my ass)

Or at least that's my take.

That's how I'm seeing it too. If he proves us wrong, then awesome. If he's having other issues besides his weight that is keeping his foot from healing then I say oh well, We need this guy to represent. I hope he realizes that.

[Bengals1181]

BengalsOwn, on 29 July 2010 - 09:56 PM, said:

Mike Brown himself could post something on his twitter account, or on the Bengals home page, but if it didn't come from Marvin Lewis himself, 1181 would have doubts. I've never seen anything like it. It's comical.

you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with me. You should get that checked.

[Bengals1181]

Bengal Migration, on 29 July 2010 - 09:42 PM, said:

He's Jeremi 2.0

A fat ass that needs to get into fucking shape. They don't want him running around on a healing foot while he's 30 pounds overweight (<-- pulled that # out of my ass)

Or at least that's my take.

I think it may be more stamina than weight. But that's just speculation based on recent pictures.

[Bengals1181]

just caught this in an ESPN article:

Quote

... OT Andre Smith, the team's first-round pick last year, will concentrate on conditioning the first few weeks of camp. Smith broke his left foot last Sept. 1, limiting him to six games, and had offseason surgery.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5419405

Bunghole, on 29 July 2010 - 07:31 PM, said:

Leon Hall is on the active PUP? When did he get hurt?

http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif

from the same espn article

Quote

CB Leon Hall did conditioning instead of participating in practice. Hall said he slightly hurt his lower back during a recent workout.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5419405

[JC]

In the glimpse I caught of Andre on the NFL network video..he looked just as big as he did when he signed last year. He looked HUGE. A lot bigger than when Solomon took a tour not long ago.