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Yeah I don't get the whole "WR is a luxury" mentality. We literally have one WR on this team right now that can be counted on. How is that a luxury exactly?
These clueless fucks couldn't pour piss out of a boot with picture instructions printed on the heel.
Zac Taylor's changing the culture though
If they extend Jackson & extend/tag Green, that $36M is pretty much spent & maybe a little more, but not sure what there cap counts would be though.
They absolutely need a WR. AJ has been hurt most of the past 2 years, Ross is unreliable when he's not hurt, and no one else can run.
Troy is the Jared Kushner of our organization.
And here's one I just did on fanspeak - fanspeak premium (as I mentioned at one point) will propose deals. I used Matt Miller's recent big board, I made the selections for the Bengals w/ the computer doing the rest of the predictive picking, and I aggressively traded back several times and ended up with 12 picks - and, man, I like how this one fell (I ended up with a lot of my favorites on this one - in good rounds)(underscores how trading back and accumulating picks would be choice in a draft as deep as this one):
QB JOE BURROW
CB CAMERON DANTZLER
LB MALIK HARRISON
OT ISAIAH WILSON
EDGE JONATHAN GREENARD
WR DENZEL MIMS
LB AKEEM DAVIS-GAITHER
WR DEVIN DUVERNAY
G NETANE MUTI
DL NICK COE
S JORDAN FULLER
DL DAVON HAMILTON
TDN mock from this AM from me. I traded way back in 2 and picked up an extra 4th. I made the picks in a hypothetical where they signed two FA linebackers. Throckmorton can play both G and T per reports.
1. Burrow QB, LSU
2. Winifeld, Jr., S, Minn (62 overall)
3. Dantlzer, CB, Miss St (65 overall)
4a. Adams, OT, Washington (97 overall)
4b. Coe, Edge, Auburn (126 overall)
5. T. Johnson, WR, Minn (129 overall)
6. D. Duverney, WR, TX (160 overall)
7. Throckmorton, OT, Oregon (192 overall)
and Vontaze Burfict getting suspended.
Two days ago. And anyone with a Burrow "9" if he ends up a Burrow "10" has cool proof that they were in on him early...
Don't know to he's a surefire star at LT, but going into camp I think you have to stick him in there and hope. One slight ray of sunshine, Johnson didn't look bad at LT toward the end of the season. Also, i think they really need find a RT in the 2nd or 3rd round who might be able to swing to the left side in a pinch and if Cordy is still around at guard, you can slide him out there in injury emergencies. Not ideal, but beats having to stick Miller, Jerry or Sugar Tits out on an edge. For buckeye fans, does Isaiah Prince from tOSU have any potential as a backup or position versatility or is he just PS fodder?
2020 NFL Draft Rankings: Linebackers
Isaiah Simmons, Clemson (rJR, 6'4", 225 pounds) ...
Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma (JR, 6'2", 234 pounds) ...
Patrick Queen, LSU (JR, 6'1", 227 pounds) ...
Zack Baun, Wisconsin (rSR, 6'3", 240 pounds) ...
Troy Dye, Oregon (SR, 6'4", 226 pounds) ...
Malik Harrison, Ohio State (SR, 6'3", 246 pounds)
For Round Two, if Murray or Queen slide, it would be a toss up for be between the two.
Both may go in Round One is someone really likes Queen. Not impossible.
The one guy in the draft who really fascinates me is S/LB hybrid Kyler Dugger from Whattsamatta U.
Would the Bengals reach for him in Round 2? Esp if they trade down a bit?
Bengals are (in)famous for reaching.
Just PLEASE no wide receiver.
Is it not based on a rolling 3 year average spend?
Jackson MUST step up and be a #1 CB or we're in trouble. I'd like to have Queze back as the 3rd/Slot CB and have no problem with Phillips as the 4th. I would not shed a tear if they part ways with Dre, BUT...only if they can come up with a #2 CB in the draft or FA. Unfortunately, if not, I think you have to at least go to camp with him and live with his intermittent stupidity.
Sour Apples Harry, here, but I'm still wait-and-see skeptical about Jonah.
So hope I'm wrong, as usual.
The team is already $36mil under the 95% minimum so all of Andy’s $17.7 mil would need to be spent.
I seriously hope the Bengals don't let Troy Blackburn do anything for the organization other than being the coffee gopher.
But if Troy did the negotiations, that explains a lot.
Dre probably unleashed the one eye trouser snake and it was luv at first site for Troy.
He sucked as an NFL QB. There is no reason to sign him. Darnold was one of the worst QBs in the league last year. Your second group is a much more reasonable list other than McCoy who could blow out his knee getting the mail.
Where was this taken?
Anyway, a lot of people are going to be screwed if they Bengals draft him and do not assign him, as the Beatles said,
"Number 9 Number 9 Number 9".
My 2nd, 3rd & 4th picks are in large part determined by FA success. IMO, the Bengals need OL and LB signing that are no more than half a step down from the market's elite at those positions. If they can head into the draft with say, an OG (Schreff or Glasgow) and a LB (Littleton/Schobert/Martinez) in their pocket, it blows the draft wide open.
In that scenario my top position priorities would be CB & OL (an OG if they sign an OT, OT if they sign an OG). I know, I know, BPA! BPA! In this draft though I think there will be a good case to be made for a CB or OL as a BPA in the 2nd or 3rd round. I'd probably look hard at CB, because the earlier you can get them in the draft the better. With a deep class, you should be able to find a pretty solid OG or RT at the the top of the 3rd. I'd really like to see them enter the raft with an extra 3rd rounder too to take a DT, Edge or LB as well.
Can't see them not re-upping AJ, tagging him or trying a sign & trade deal at the very least. Id he is extended, there is no reason to replace him, if he's traded for a premium pick, I more or less use that pick to replace him. If he is tagged, I wait and use a 1st or 2nd in 2021 to select his replacement. If I keep were to tag him and it doesn't look like the playoffs are in the cards I look to deal him at the deadline, then I look for a contender whose Super Bowl chances can be boosted by adding a top 5 WR and try to leverage that for a premium pick.
I'm a "No" on grabbing a WR early (picks 2 thru 4) for the same reason i was a no when I heard the Bengals were slobbering all over John Ross. It's a luxury pick that I don't think the team can afford right now. The oline still stinks on ice (the improvement people saw at the end of the year wasn't exactly against a murderers row on defense) and the LBers are arguably worse. If we could get a nice coverage LBer in the draft or free agency (cough cough) do you think we would spend as much time in the nickle?
Burrow won't survive with the current line in front of him and a primo WR won't do a damn thing about that.
Trade Dalton for a third
4 thru 7 BPA
Or trade Dalton for a third and trade down in the 2nd round for another 3rd. Meh, that'll never happen.
Recently heard someone say that 7th rounders are worthless so why even bother trading a vet for on instead of just cutting them an be done with them. While, I can see that argument to a certain extent. An extra last round pick could allow you to move up a spot or two in the 6th to get a guy you like. Seventh rounders also allow you to secure a guy who might otherwise end up a UDFA instead of having to bid/recruit against other teams for them. Granted, a UDFA isn't a huge issue, but every year at least a handful end up on the roster at some point.
There are two position groups I'd be of going light (or ignoring outright) in the draft - one on each side of the ball.
On offense, TE. Everyone would love to have a stud all-around TE to help Burrow, but I'd be actually return Sample & Uzomah at two of the 3 or 4 roster slots and Schreck or Carter in reserve. I also think there are times when you can utilize Tata in kind of a flex TE role. If you can get it done a a reasonable $$$ amount with Eifert, I'd be OK with a middle-late round or even a UDFA or two addition while putting a top addition off a year and centering resources elsewhere. If Eifert's not an option, I think there are journeyman-type guys out there that can stopgap times for a season.
On defense, LB. Up until recently I believed that a premium round LB draft pick would be a must. Now, a weak LB class and a reduced emphasis for the position league-wide changed my mind. If you do go light in the draft though, I believe at least one top young LB FA is a must though. I see them carrying no more than six LB's though (and wouldn't shock me to see them count Lawson against the six instead as an all-around backer). Pratt is fine at one starting spot, a FA like Littleton, Schobert, Martinez , etc. needs to be another starter, I'd be OK with re-upping Vigil as a situational guy if possible (but not as a starter and not for starter money). If Vigil doesn't return, a solid lower-tier FA LB could actually be a bit of an upgrade. Not enthusiastic about any other returnees.
Top FA, Pratt & Vigil + Lawson gives you 4 of 6. The other two & depth? One similarity between TE & LB is their roster priority on each side of the ball has been reduced of late in the NFL. Another? You can more easily find a serviceable candidate on the wavier wire or in mid-late Rd draft picks & UDFAs. At LB, I'd invest a 5-7 rounder, scour other team's cuts and go strong in the UFDA class with an emphasis on mobility and special teams versatility. A journeyman vet who can fill all three spots and a young special teams ace would be perfect for those slots, IMO.
Another way to answer the LB need would be to re-up Dennard &/or find another DB who is also a solid tackler to replace a LB in one of the many passing packages.
I believe the odds of Glenn being there in camp when it opens is higher than many believe. I've always wondered though if he is, why isn't he mentioned more as RT instead of guard. If healthy, he certainly has the size for RT and he's probably more mobile than many.
In my mind , Hopkins & Williams are pretty much lock at two starting berths. I see Jordan as a lock for an inside berth and Fred Johnson's late performance probably was good enough to secure him a 3rd or 4th tackle spot at the very least. While we're talking reserves, not sure Price is a starter candidate without a huge camp, but his former 1st starter probably keeps in around another season as an interior reserve.
As for the other three starting berths? I think they must go outside the draft and the current roster to fill one position. Would love for them to sack up and grab one of the very best FA tackles or Thunes at guard, but don't see it. I think it's almost a must for them to try their best (and then some) to step up for an interior guy like Scherrf or Glasgow.
The other two spots depending on Glenn (if he returns), I believe he's a better RT option than Bobbie Hart. Hart though seems to have become almost a fetish object for this organization and I expect him to start game one at RT. If that is the case then, I would make Glenn the leader at LG next to Williams and I would still spend a 2nd or 3rd rounder for one of the deep class of tackles in this draft to push and ultimately replace Hart on the right edge.
That would leave us with:
RG FA (Scherff/Glasgow/???)
(2nd/3rd Rd. OT pick)
(Price/Miller/Jerry/Redmond/Prince/Dugas/Vet Pickup/2nd Draft Pick/UDFA)
I'd still scour the wire for upgrades with particular scrutiny of veteran pre-camp cuts from other teams. A 36-38 year veteran isn't going to be a long-term fix at any spot, but chances of finding long-term answers at all five spots Such pickups (as well as Glenn at guard) can really help stabilize a spot or provide quality depth in case of injury allowing them to allow a youngster to develop another year or let them push using another premium draft pick a year or two down the road.
I see some people say you can't fix everything this year, so you don't have to draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd or Jordan & or Hart will be fine starting for now. I disagree. I don't want Hart at RT, because he might not have been quite the steaming sack of suck he was in years past. B-F'n-S! Jordan may be ready to shine at guard, but OL's tend to take 3 or more seasons to grade out at top performance levels. I don't chance it. If he takes the job, you've got a quality veteran backup or trade chip. I believe OLine needs to still be THE Top Priority by wide margin.
Burrow stands to be potentially one of the very most important talent acquisitions in this organization's history. Subjecting him to the levels of abuse Dalton has seen, is not acceptable. Additionally, put a solid wall in front of Jeaux and I'm really intrigued with thoughts of him throwing to Green, Boyd and Ross with a bit more time to find the.
I agree that you draft the BPA instead of need. I believe there's a good chance that with this class, an OT may be one of the BPA's in both the 2nd & 3rd rounds. Nothing wrong with taking a guy who is arguably a top talent AND addresses a position of need.
BTW, i Stenberg lasts until the top of the 4th round, it could be a great pick.
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