Jamie_B

He was the consensus number 1 C. I know the team gets alot of flack for who they take sometimes, but there is no way they take Price over Ragnow if both are still on the board.

Remembered the name and looked it up, he used to play here from 2008-10. Wonder who is responsible for TEs there before him? A number of the guys I listed were there before Hodge was the coach. Iowa seems to be TE-U.

Not sure.

DJ Reader, Vonn Bell, Cheedo all were free agents that we paid. The guys you mentioned are cheaper because we just paid Joe. Those are the JAGs we cam expect for most of our FAs going forward, but we will have some money to spend as guys like Boyd, Reader, Mixon (next year don't get exited) come off their contracts too.

That's fair, I imagine he's getting double and triple teamed because the rest of their guys can be covered 1:1 with little issues.

We have struggled not just because we lost Joe, but because both lines overall need work. You win in the trenches, we need to address that in the offseason, on both sides of the ball.

I'm not sure what to make of that. It kind of looks like Kelce is starting to show his age, he hasn't produced at his normal level for most of this year.

Jones did not get a single snap on O all year. I'm not relying on him, I think Yoshi has more potential as a WR at least so far.

Keep the White Claw flowing

Who knows. I also am always a fan of getting TEs from Iowa, that school just seems to produce good ones. Dallas Clark, George Kittle, TJ Hokenson, Noah Fant, Sam LaPorta. Maybe take a look at Luke Lachey?

Yup I don't think we fill them all in one offseason, it's going to take 2. (Next year WR and RB become needs)

I really hope they don't resign Jonah. I realize this is a devil you now vs devil you don't know, and maybe if we get a better O-line coach he gets better, but I have seen enough to believe he's just average. The problem is in this division we need better. Sure it's a risk taking a rookie, but it's a risk I'd take.

Agree. Dark horses that I can live with are Bowers and maybe the top CB whomever that is if there.

When the cap goes up it goes up for everyone, what we considered average pay yesterday is not average pay today.

I'd get rid of Pollack and bring in an assistant that was on a team with a good o-line, Pollack has shown he can't develop guys, I'd rather take a chance on a guy who might be able to. I like @MichaelWeston idea about Browns assistant Scott Peters. THEN let him get the guys he wants. I also want a RT in 1 unless Newton is there then I heavily consider it. I'm also slowly warming up to the idea that Bowers may be able to give you blocking and receiving and be good at both. I can tell you I do not want a first round WR.

It's a capital idea if you are a big market team and there is no salary cap, but it's not 1993 anymore, and we as a small market team should be thankful for that. You only "tank" at the right moments, had Joe been playing all year I would not be suggesting this. Ok I'll bite, when was the last time the Bengals made a 1st round trade to move up to get a guy they liked? I legitimately don't remember, was it Kijana Carter?

The Bengals trade? What team are you a fan of again? 😆 Also if the draft is such a crap shoot why bother drafting at all? Just trade away the picks for veteran proven players. Because that's the difference now vs the year we drafted Joe. We were able to sign and spend money on guys because we weren't paying our QB. There is a reason they call it a "window" because once you pay your QB it becomes hard to get quality FAs just because you don't have the same money you did before. That is exactly why if you want to keep this "window" open, the draft becomes that much more important and draft position, when you get in the position to get a good one due to injury, and drafting well become paramount. We paid Joe, we aren't going to be able to sign multiple quality FAs anymore. Maybe we get one per offseason, but most of the FAs we get now are going to be JAGs or rotational contribuers. We have to get things right in the draft more than we get them wrong going forward, otherwise the window is closed.

Can we find a bigger CB like Flowers that was able to do it moderately effectively?

I use that example because it was our pick, we had control over who we were taking, talking to me about how other teams draft isn't anything we control. Had we had one more slot higher I guarantee you we would not have chosen Price, there was a big fall off between the two.

Completely agree. It's in New Orleans next year, Jamar and Joe are going to be extra motivated.

We're you happy with Billy Price or would you rather have Frank Ragnow? They play the exact same position and we took Price with the very next pick. Of course one guy netted us a trade for BJ Hill, and the other is still the starting center for the playoff bound division winning Lions. And Price is out of the league now. The draft being a crapshoot is a copout, more often than not the guys that were higher on boards panned out vs the guys lower on boards. And sometimes, as in the case of Ragnow vs Price, that even comes down to one draft slot.

Can I quote you if we win and miss out on a player because of it? Like when we lost Ragnow and had to take Price instead.

*sigh*

I'm kind of shocked your talking about bringing back Jonnah. I mean if they do, you know they wont draft a OT very high, and the one they will draft will be a backup.

I like it. Make the division opponent weaker.