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18 hours ago, Arkansas Bengal said:
Mike Tomlin promises to make changes after benching Mitch Trubisky in Stealers' loss to Colts
MICHAEL MAROTSat, December 16, 2023 at 9:31 PM CST·4 min readINDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Mike Tomlin is tired of losing.
After the Pittsburgh Stealers dropped their third straight, 30-13 at Indianapolis on Saturday, he promised changes. Tomlin didn't provide specifics in the immediate aftermath of another dismal offensive performance, but it looks like Pittsburgh could have a new starting quarterback next week at Cincinnati.
“Everything is on the table at this juncture. We cannot continue to play football like this,” said Tomlin, the 17th-year Stealers coach who has never finished with a losing record. “We’ve got to make changes and we need to do it immediately. We’re not going to roll the ball out next week like we did today.”
The simplest solution might be the return of quarterback Kenny Pickett, who had helped the Stealers stay in the playoff hunt despite leading one of the NFL's lowest-scoring offenses. He's missed the last two games with a sprained right ankle. Tomlin has said it's possible Pickett could return next week.
If he can't go, Tomlin must decide whether to stay with Mitch Trubisky, who started Pittsburgh's last two games, or give a chance to Mason Rudolph, who relieved Trubisky late against the Colts.
Trubisky finished 16 of 23 for 169 yards. He threw one touchdown pass and two interceptions and was sacked three times. He also scored on a 1-yard plunge that was initially ruled a fumble but was overturned on a replay review.
After taking a 13-0 lead in the first 16 minutes, with one score coming after the Stealers recovered a blocked punt inside the Colts 1-yard line, Pittsburgh only had one more scoring chance — and Tomlin opted to punt instead of trying a 56-yard field goal.
The Stealers finished with 216 total yards, including 74 on the ground. Najee Harris had 12 carries for 33 yards.
Rudolph has started two games in four seasons, a 24-22 loss to Cleveland in the 2021 season finale and a 16-16 tie with Detroit in 2022. He was 2 of 3 for 3 yards Saturday.
But with the Stealers sinking to last place in the rugged AFC North and their scoring average dropping to 15.9 points per game, it's clear they need a new direction.
“We don’t have the answers right now, but we’re going to find them,” Trubisky said. "We’re going to work tirelessly at it, we’re going to come together, and our leaders have to step up.”
While the offense is the most glaring problem, there are other issues.
Pittsburgh's defense allowed Gardner Minshew to throw a career high-tying three TD passes and gave up 170 yards rushing to a backfield that was missing 2021 league rushing champion Jonathan Taylor and its leading rusher this season, Zack Moss, who left with a right arm injury after carrying four times for 13 yards.
Trey Sermon and Tyler Goodson produced 157 yards rushing on 28 combined carries. Both spent most of this season on Indy's practice squad, as did receiver D.J. Montgomery, whose 16-yard TD catch gave Indy a 14-13 lead just before halftime.
The Colts scored the last 30 points.
“You’re playing losing football. You’re not playing good enough to win,” cornerback Patrick Peterson said when asked to describe Tomlin's postgame message. “It’s simple for us right now: How much does it mean to you? The road (to the playoffs) is getting narrow.”
As Pittsburgh begins its final three-week stretch, finding a way to score points — with or without Pickett — remains the top priority for Tomlin.
The Stealers have scored fewer than 20 points in five consecutive games and have more than 20 just once in their last eight. Firing offensive coordinator Matt Canada in mid-November didn't make a difference.
Trubisky, the No. 2 overall draft pick in 2017, got his chances the last two weeks — and lost twice.
“Let’s be honest, we’re a fundamentally poor football team right now. We’re playing losing football, and I own that,” Tomlin said. "I don’t necessarily have the answers today. If I did, we’d have played differently today. But I will acknowledge things will not continue the way they are.”
https://news.yahoo.com/mike-tomlin-promises-changes-benching-033122023.html
The Stealers are going to come out pissed off and fighting like a wounded, cornered animal. The Bengals should commit to the run to keep the Stealers offense off the field, keep the crowd out of the game, and limit potential turnovers. They got exposed in the run game without their starting safeties and Cam Heyward and the Bengals should look to do the same. This is the time of the year when you can lean on defense with a bad offense and wear them down mentally and physically, just like the Colts did last week. Chase will be out so our best WR is out of the game as well, just another reason to go run-heavy this game.
It's going to be a tough game as Tomlin will have his guys ready to go after a few embarrassing losses, the Stealers have a ton of pride and Tomlin is a HOF coach who makes sure the Stealers are ready to give it their best.
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He might be done for the year, a shoulder injury takes time. I injured mine in January and it took months to get it back to a normal range of motion but it still has some lasting effects. Now obviously Ja'Marr is an elite athlete but still, he will be out for a few weeks at the very least.
This is a great opportunity for everyone if you think about it because they all have something to prove. Higgins and Boyd are upcoming free agents that have struggled with injuries and drops so this is a great opportunity to prove they can step up and be the guys to drive this pass-centric offense. Irwin and the rookies are playing to show that they can be reliable targets is Higgins and Boyd leave via FA.
Yes, the Bengals will miss Ja'Marr but they have other weapons who are more than capable of winning out the remainder of games.
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1 hour ago, SF2 said:
I dunno. The history of guys with short term success amounting to much after a trade is thin. Garoppolo is maybe the best example. He could at least get a nice contract as a back up.
The rest of the NFL might not value him like the Bengals do, if they offer him a modest contract like 5 mil per year I think he takes it.
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17 minutes ago, dex said:
The struggling Pittsburgh offense racked up over 400 yards against the Bengals just a few weeks ago, Minnesota's struggling offense did the same just this past week. Those games were in Cincinnati and DJ Reader was healthy and able to play in both. If the Bengals lose in Pittsburgh, we can pretty much stop running all of the possible playoff scenarios. Cincinnati would be pretty much finished.
Which is not to say that Chase should play regardless of his severity of his injury. I trust the doctors, the coaches and Chase himself to make that call.
They are definitely going to have to step up on defense, especially run defense. Josh Tupou and Zach Carter are going to have to play lights out...the LBs as well, they struggled getting guys to the ground vs Pissburg. Tribunsky is not very good and he's turnover-prone, make him beat em and I like the Bengals chances.
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If he does have an AC Joint sprain, there is no way he plays on Saturday. We can beat the Stealers without him as their offense is struggling and it's unraveling fast in Pittsburgh. The players seem to be quitting on the coaches and legends like Big Ben are calling out the coaching staff in the media.
It's going to be a tough game because of the familiarity and rivalry but if the Bengals can protect Browning they should get the win.
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They had a horse collar and targeting all before half time...
Tomlin is Sensi Kreese, TJ Watt is Johnny, and the Stealers are Cobra Kai...
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Every time a Steeler gets hurt an angel gets his wings
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Good ol Stiller football, they are dirty cheap shot artists. Kazee got ejected for playing Stiller football
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Toney doesn't seem to think he did anything wrong.
“Whether it was, an inch, two inches, whatever in front of the ball, the referee got a job to let me know, I guess you could say. He didn’t make no effort," he said Thursday. "You watch the video, he didn’t make no effort to say anything about no alignment. So apparently, he wanted to do that."
The entitlement and ignorance is astounding...apparently it's the refs job to keep the Cheifs players from committing penalities...wow..I guess they don't what the word accountability means.
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1 hour ago, Homer_Rice said:
I earlier mentioned that two of my mentors died while I was sick. One of them was Norton Mezvinsky, under whom I studied at Central Connecticut. He co-wrote a classic, Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel, with Israel Shahak. Both were not well-liked (and often slandered) by Jewish fundies, but the book is well-worth a read if you are interested in the historical background of this. Lots of ink devoted to to Goldstein as well as Rabin.
It isn't the variety of Abrahamic religion one adopts, it is the fundamentalists across all stripes which are the nut-case, murderous bastards.
Thanks for sharing, I will check it out.
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4 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:
Troll level 100
It's like Ray J vs Kanye West for the battle of Kim K...lol
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11 minutes ago, New Jersey Bengal said:
Or David pollack get hurt or Odell Thurman not be a knucklehead
It's crazy if you think about how much went wrong and all the wild shit that went down while he was HC...it would make a good 30 for 30..
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2 hours ago, texbengal said:
Good for Marvin. He was on the staff at Arizona State when Herm Edwards was HC, and Pierce joined the defensive staff too. I know some don't like Marvin, but he's a helluva defensive coach.
He was a good HC as well, one of the best this franchise has ever had, definitely top 5. He just couldn't win the big game, that was his ultimate weakness...if every game was at 1 pm EST he would be a great coach, it was when the bright lights came on that he puckered up and couldn't get it done. Glad to see him mentor Pierce, maybe if Pierce gets the HC job he will be apart of his staff in some capacity.
If Marvin has Joe Burrow I think he would have been a HOF level coach or if Carson didn't shred his knee in 2005 and Chris Henry die a few months later...things could have been different.
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4 minutes ago, dex said:
An early test about Jones' red flags will be how he rehabs his knee injury after the surgery recovery period. Does he do the hard grind that will be necessary to get back on the field as soon as possible? Will his weight blow up as a result of inactivity during the offseason? Boom-or-bust guys like Dawand Jones can boom one year and then bust the next...
Exactly, he had a few good games but let's not put him the HOF just yet. Full disclosure, I wanted the Bengals to draft Jones and was disappointed when he wasn't but they have access to may more info on these guys than we do. He might have medical issues that aren't disclosed to the public and his unusual size and weight could be a problem for him if/when he gets hurt.
To your point about him rehabbing, that will be a huge test as he will have to work hard to get back, lose weight, etc..so only time will tell. I just wish he was on the Bengals so I could root for him, but he's not so.....
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7 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:
It's about to start..
That last game of the year could be for the playoffs, should be fun to see it play out .
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27 minutes ago, Montana Bengal said:
At some point the injuries have to catch up to the Browns and they start losing some games..
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/15/biden-extremist-jewish-settlers-travel-ban-loophole
QuoteHadar Susskind, president of Americans for Peace Now, said these settlers militias draw inspiration from two Americans infamous as the godfathers of the campaign of violence against ordinary Palestinians.
An American doctor from Brooklyn, Baruch Goldstein, murdered 29 Muslim worshippers in the West Bank city of Hebron in 1994. Goldstein was a follower of another American, Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the far-right religious Kach party that was eventually banned in Israel and the US under anti-terrorism laws.
“If you asked who are the most prominent examples of literally murderous violent settler extremism, the two answers are Goldstein and Kahane. Those people are the prophets of the settler movement,” said Susskind.
“Earlier this year I led a trip to Israel and Palestine. We went to Hebron and stopped in Meir Kahane park where they have a shrine to Baruch Goldstein. His grave is there. It’s shocking that they have a public park named after an American whose party was declared so racist that it was not allowed to be in the Knesset, a person who espoused violence and hatred. And then a shrine to Baruch Goldstein who took those lessons from Kahane and actualised them in murdering a group of people at prayer.”
Too often, Arabs get sterotyped and labeled as terrorist but when terrorist don't fit the mold we have cast them we as a country should still fight them the same way. For decades we have waged a war on terror but it seems as if we are exporting terrorist and don't doing anything to stop it.
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16 hours ago, claptonrocks said:
Who exactly do they fire?
Exactly, one of the owners of the team is charge of scouting/personnel so he's not going to fire himself.
13 hours ago, Jamie_B said:Who is in charge of scouting oline?
They don't break it down by position group, the scouting is done regionally. They have input from the coaches on what type of guy they like, but there's no o-line specific scout. I think it's more of a development issue and that is an NFL/football problem not just the Bengals, there's like 5 teams that have what many consider to be a good offensive line, and the rest of the teams are struggling to figure it out.
The biggest problem is the level of coaching that exists in the high school and college ranks don't properly prepare guys for the NFL game. When you have hacks like Jim Turner teaching young guys how to play offensive line then it's no wonder why many of the offensive line players come into the NFL not prepared to play at a high level. If teams paid offensive line coaches higher salaries, promoted offensive line coaches to HC positions, etc...then you would see the quality of the players evolve. Being an offensive line coach is typically a dead-end job, there like 1 or 2 guys who have been offensive line coaches and ascended to be an HC so if you are a talented coach why would you want to be an offensive line coach unless you just really love it and don't have aspirations of being a HC.
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The Bengals and my fantasy team need him to have a big game, it's the playoffs...
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On 12/12/2023 at 4:56 PM, SmoothD said:
From my untrained eyes, it seems as if the DBs are playing much better and understanding the schemes and their assignments.
Besides the 30 yard pass play to Pittman, they held everyone else in check.
Nick Scott is on the bench, he's athletic but he doesn't seem to be the brightest guy..he was consistently out of place and taking bad angles.
Battle is playing more consistent ball, as they play more snaps together they should improve and continue.
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13 hours ago, Dautcom08 said:
I smiled when he finally put on his entitled ass attitude (which his team and fanbase both share) for all the world to undeniably see.
I hope the refs call offsides and more holding penalties on the Chiefs. Mahomes really fucked up, he showed up the refs after they have protected him for years, they literally gave him the first game of the season when they didn't call a single penalty on his RT that lined up 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage(illegal formation) and false started every damn snap. They have had 3 games in which the refs helped them win this year and that's still not enough.
Hopefully the refs take away his golden boy status and call it like they do for every other team in the NFL.
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Big Ben throws Mike Tomin under bus on his podcast, says the team lost due to bad coaching...
Quote“At the end of that game, if we had one more timeout, we have another chance,” Roethlisberger said, via the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. “When you lose timeouts because of silly penalties — too many men on the field, not enough men on the field — you can’t afford in the second half of games, to burn silly timeouts and not have them late in the game. To me, that is . . . that’s bad. It’s bad coaching.”
I hope the Stealers ownership agrees and fires Tomlin so they can really be a bad team like they deserve to be.
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3 hours ago, Go Skins said:
Would this be the Empire Strikes Back to be followed by Return of the Sith..
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On 12/11/2023 at 10:26 PM, Shebengal said:
This one hits a little close to home with me. I have a dear friend whose daughter was born with Trisomy 18. She only lived a week. There was no question in my friend’s decision to have the baby, knowing this. It was a brave decision on my friend’s part. I don’t know if I could do it, to be honest with you. I also wasn’t aware of the health risks to the mother associated with this.
Point is, it shouldn’t be up to the legislature. It shouldn’t be up to the judges. It should be up to the mother and her doctor. No branch of government should have the right to determine a mother’s future ability to have children, especially a branch of government run mostly by men. (And let’s face it, most of them are.)
From my perspective, it reminds me of this country's ugly history of chattel slavery and how white men owned other humans and decided what they could and could not do with their bodies. I've never understood why the government felt the need to legislate this issue, it's a morality issue and there is supposed to be a separation of church and state. If you believe that abortion is not aligned with your religious beliefs, that's fine, but you should not have the right to force your religious beliefs onto others and codify that belief, especially when the mother of the unborn child's life is in danger.
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Die Stealers Die! Week (Episode 2)
in THE BENGALS FORUM - For Bengals Fans *Only*
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Amen, brother...it's 3rd and 1 and the Bengals are moving the ball and Zac wants to get cute, just run the ball with Mixon twice for a first down if you have to. When he calls a game like it's a must-win game he's good, when he's having success he gets too silly with the play calling. He tends to overcomplicate things at times when it is unnecessary, football is a simple game, so there is no need to make it harder than it needs to be.