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2 hours ago, High School Harry said:
USA Today free agency grade so far... (fuck 'em)
Cincinnati Bengals: C-
Feels like a series of mostly lateral moves, OT Trent Brown replacing Jonah Williams, RB Zack Moss (2 years, $8 million) replacing Joe Mixon, DT Sheldon Rankins (2 years, $24.5 million) replacing D.J. Reader. The new safety couplet of Stone and Vonn Bell is nice. But the unresolved situation around franchised WR Tee Higgins? Not so much.
LOL. Comparing Jonah Williams to Trent Brown is laughable. Brown is a WAY better player.
Zack Moss is light years better as a pass blocker so we don’t have to take him out on 3rd and 5 situations. Mixon is a terrible pass blocker.
There is nothing unresolved about Tee Higgins, he will play under the franchise tag.
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7 hours ago, BlackJesus said:
🌭 🧀
My daughter, a former Skyline employee for 8 years, was none too happy when she heard they FINALLY switched to Coke. She hates Pepsi.
As far as Brown is concerned, I don’t think the Patriots would throw him under the bus to be honest. In Brown’s defense, the whole Mac Jones era has been an unmitigated disaster so Brown may have simply checked out.
It is hard to get motivated to block for a shit QB with no running game and zero talent at WR. The Patriots literally have no decent talent and ZERO speed anywhere.
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7 hours ago, sparky151 said:
Eh, it's closer than you might think. Lawrence has higher volume numbers but for efficiency, Fields is in the neighborhood as a passer and a much better runner (though Lawrence is better than you might guess). In Lawrence's big year of 2022, his ESPN QBR was slightly lower than Fields (who ran for 1100 yards that year and got an MVP vote). Lawrence has a better NFL passer rating but not by a lot. Their PFR approximate value scores are equal.
Lawrence is a big upgrade for Jacksonville compared to what they had before him. So they regard him as their franchise QB and aren't looking for his replacement yet. If Chicago had Carolina's 2nd round this year and first next year instead of vice versa, they wouldn't be looking to replace Fields. They would give him a couple more weapons and a decent center so he has a chance.
In draft hypeland, Lawrence was a "generational" prospect. Fields had a college career that compares favorably with Caleb Williams.
In Lawrence’s defense, his first year under Meyer was about as dysfunctional a season as anyone could have imagined.
Both QBs went to trash organizations.
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1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said:
I doubt Browning would fetch much in a trade. Just look at how little Fields, Pickett, or Mac Jones were traded for. I’m on board with your idea but the market just doesn’t seem to be there, IMO.
Exactly. There is no market for Browning.
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31 minutes ago, BengalFanInTO said:
I'm hoping no news is good news and it means the Bengals aren't signing either guy. They both suck and signings would tell me they're OK with a bandaid solutions over an actual solution.
I guess I would rather a band aide than a gapping wound.
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2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:
I think they hope that if Wilson (or Fields) can get them more points than Picket did that they will be fine.
Not unreasonable, but neither of those guys are championship QBs either so.....
I understand this reasoning but you are still basically putting yourself in draft purgatory. You get 9 to 11 wins and what? Another draft unable to get one of the top QB prospects? One and done in the playoffs?
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23 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:
Hate the Stealers as much as anyone but I have to say these were 2 good moves. Wilson is probably done but they are paying him nothing and as much as he is a locker room shithead, the Stoolers seem to actually like that.
Fields is better than Pickett and I will give the Stoolers credit for realizing what most knew, Pickett was never going to develop. So they cut thier losses.
neither of these guys or Burrow or Lamar obviously but they will keep the Stoolers in the mix.
I dunno. There isn’t much history of a QB literally being given away or cut by 2 decent organizations then having a Renaissance and becoming good. Wilson is just weird and he has never been a great QB.
Fields has been terrible in Chicago. Sure, you can blame the organization to some extent but he really likes throwing the ball to the wrong colored jersey. If you can’t do it by year 3 you simply can’t do it.
I don’t see how taking on 2 marginal and cheap QBs can be a great move. You are basically giving up on yet another season.
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13 minutes ago, sparky151 said:
Ricky Watters and Marcus Allen were also good players late in their careers.
Allen never rushed for more than 223 times his last 12 seasons. Averaged about 175 attempts those last 12 years. Caught a lot of passes for that era.
Waters was done by age 30/31 from overuse.
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1 hour ago, Le Tigre said:
If it’s all about “carries” wearing down an RB…somebody tackles him (and a lot of other Jim’s). Compare longevities of LB’s or secondary?
For that matter, linemen—on both sides of the ball. They collide with other bodies on each play?
Endless.
As far as lineman go, they don’t really get a running start and they are typically matched up with someone their own size or smaller. They don’t get tackled to the ground much either.
Linebacker is a whole different animal. A lot of big collisions, contact on every play, getting run blocked by guys sometimes 60 to 100 lbs heavier. Having to tackle running backs at speed. Yeah, that would be a good project as well.
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I think I would need to factor in carries/ touches per season on an annual basis. Use some fancy exponential shit once you go above 250 or so. Consecutive seasons over 250 would add an additional wear factor.
Earl Campbell rushed over 300 times a season his first 4 years. He was never the same after it.
I agree, egregious use in college needs to be factored in.
Let me work on it.
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3 hours ago, BlackJesus said:
Pathetic assclowns 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
How did you get a video of my Bengals draft party? Hell yeah we celebrated when Pittspuke chose Pickett. It’s hard to tell but I am wearing the Rapistburger jersey.
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59 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:
Bengaldom is getting restless ...
I hope your sister is hot since you probably will have to kiss her.
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2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:
Curtis Martin and Bettis are two more that broke the mold. The injury factor is a big one for longevity. I also agree about college numbers. Bottom line, there’s a reason teams have changed their approach to the RB position. Analytics can be a helpful tool but there are exceptions.Martin is perhaps the most overlooked RB in history. Bettis was simply a human wrecking ball for a LONG time. Nothing flashy, just “Here I come bitches”. 4 to 8 yards, nothing more or less. Every coach would love to have a Bettis.
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3 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:
I'll take my dancing bears instead 🐻
Gotta coach him up!!!
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1 hour ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:
Technically, the clown who tried to block him ruined your day...
Darnold was a beast
Don’t you dare ruin our collective hatred of Aaron Darnold because of his greatness.
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3 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:
Also it needs to be called a RBs SF2 age
LOL, it was a quick stab at it. I guarantee some of these analytics guys have something similar and better. I can only think of a few guys who ever broke the mold. Adrian Peterson the most prolific in my opinion. I know guys like Emmitt Smith had more yards but Peterson was literally still great in his 30s.
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1 hour ago, Griever said:
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48 minutes ago, sparky151 said:
Moss is lower mileage with many fewer career carries than Mixon.
Agreed. Carries per season will tell you a running back’s real NFL age. It is why McCaffrey and Henry have red flags as far as I am concerned. Mixon is right up there.
I bet Amish could create a formula that makes sense.
Actual Age + ( total carries/365) + (knee ligament injuries * 2) + (# lower leg injuries) = NFL age.
Mixon at start of 2024
28 + ((1571/365)+ 0 + 1 = 33.3 NFL age.
Henry
30 + (2030/365) + 0 + 1 = 36.6.
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Just now, BlackJesus said:
There is no "Joe Burrow model", without a Joe Burrow ... And if anything the Texans are doing it, not New England.
Step 1. Find a generational QB in the draft you actually can draft.
Step 2. Pair him with an exceptional receiving corps with the top 2 on rookie deals.
Step 3. Find the genie in the bottle to pull it off. Keep in mind, it took Burrow’s season ending knee injury to get Chase. Not exactly the front office working miracles.
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4 hours ago, New Jersey Bengal said:
And pittspuke better than us
Well, their new QB did just get a new haircut and let everyone know about it. What a cringy dude.
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1 hour ago, sparky151 said:
The 2 first round picks is the required compensation under the CBA if a team declines to match the offer a franchise tagged player gets from another team. The last time a team signed another team's player against their will and paid 2 firsts was about 25 years ago for Sean Gilbert (uncle of Darrelle Revis).
A tag and trade is the scenario where a franchised player changes teams for less than 2 firsts, ie Davante Adams. That's what would be in play for Tee if the Bengals are willing to move him for picks or a player. He'd agree to a new contract with some team but not sign one with them. He'd sign his tender from the Bengals, which puts him under contract here and thus makes him tradeable. The trade happens, and he then signs the contract he agreed to with his new team before July 15.
Exactly. That is what I was trying to say, you just got better writing and shit. The 2 firsts was basically the owners’ way of preventing a tagged player from controlling his own destiny.
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4 hours ago, T-Dub said:
Still think any AFCN team would win that division, but I'd say that about most of them.
If only we could move to the NFC South.
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4 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:
As I have said many times: each season is its own universe. You have the present—that’s it. Make hay while the sun shines.
(BTW: Liverpool is in a great position to win 4 separate Cups this season. They have no guarantees after this one. THAT would be making hay while the sun shines!)
Yep just like United was going to keep winning all those cups after 1999 with all of those in their prime players. Didn’t happen.
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4 hours ago, T-Dub said:
I question whether 1k yards & 8-10 TD's actually are worth $10M+/year. Half the starting backs in the NFL were in that range last season. Only 6 of them were pulling down more than his $8.5M & that was on a reduced deal.
Well, the contract is only guaranteed for $13 mil and has an out after year 2. Basically, it is a 2 year, $6.5mil per year guaranteed contract. The backloaded “maybe” numbers are just for ego.
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Free Agency 2024
in THE BENGALS FORUM - For Bengals Fans *Only*
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Oh that wasn’t meant for you at all. And Le Tigre was 100% correct. Some douche just spouting nonsense for clicks.