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1 hour ago, spicoli said:
Honestly they’re all bad these daysThey arent all giving up the most sacks allowed. That's objectively the worst. Every other team is blocking better than the Bengals.
I know the running excuse is "everyone has trouble finding OL" but the Bengals are still the worst at it. It doesn't mean it's easy, it means that literally every other team in the NFL is better at it
I have to think that leaves some room for improvement, right?
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2 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:
They front loaded it. That's 5/9ths of it and it's for 3 years. I don't mind it but a lot of twitter peeps thought it was dumb
Kinda crazy Gesicki and Sample's 3 career TD's will be earning the same salary this year.
Still say there's no chance they would've offered him that extension if he was a UFA instead of a 2nd round pick. Sunk cost all the way.
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5 hours ago, BlackJesus said:
... From this it looks like the Bengals do not value interior OL or DL, or even OT to the degree that the rest of the NFL does. And they prefer WRs, DEs, LBs, and CBs in early picks.
All of that checks out.
"How to have the worst OL in the league consistently"
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1 hour ago, Le Tigre said:
It appears silent as to onside kicks. However, in reference to ANY kickoffs:
- Any kick that hits short of the landing zone – treated like kickoff out of bounds and ball spotted at B40 yard line; play would be blown dead as soon as kick lands short of the landing zone
Why even run the play? Spot the ball at the 30 and be done with it. At this point it's only an excuse to air 2-3 extra ad breaks while they sort out their latest goof shit.
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1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said:
I think RAS and production is good at all levels. the Toledo CB is probably a stud.
Think the big difference is experience, that same CB coming from Auburn is probably more ready for the pro game. How big a deal that is to the team depends on how much they trust their coaches.
If they think the OL coach has made a 4th round pick into a starting LG, maybe they don't feel pressed to take that OT in the first 2 rounds. If on the other hand they think he's made Pro Bowl vets look like 4th round picks, well,. that's a bigger problem when he's also your only dedicated OL scout and keeps mumbling to himself about wide zones and ketchup.
To put it bluntly I'm going to be both a little surprised and more than a little relieved if they do manage to draft a good long-term RT. At this point I have to hope they're due for one at random, not so much by being more capable.
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1 hour ago, esjbh2 said:
Thanks for the clarification, I clearly misunderstood and assumed play clock. It frustrated me to no end how guys like Brady seemed to always get "the benefit of doubt" (i.e. a couple extra seconds) during critical parts of the game...guess nothing has changed for the NFL chosen few in that regard.
Right, if it's a TD they'll call it an honest mistake but if Kermit throws an INT they can whistle the play dead. No change there.
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16 minutes ago, sparky151 said:
The rule change only allows review of the game clock, not the play clock. So it can check whether a snap occurred before a quarter ended or not. But not whether a delay of game penalty should have been called or not.
Ah, so they can still let them run plays after the clock expires.
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5 hours ago, sparky151 said:
He didn't make the probowl because he wasn't blocking for Kermit. But he was still better than Jonah from the prior year.
It would be hard to top Jonah's 12 sacks allowed from 2022, but he did give up 7 last year.
5 hours ago, texbengal said:He was OK... not great. I actually thought Volson, after a bad start, picked up his game considerably in the latter half. Both guys need to play better, but yeah, Brown wasn't any great shakes. Certainly not to the level where he was hyped to be.
He was about average. Not a liability, but not an elite player, either. At his best, I think he's very solid/above average... maybe top 12-15-ish in the league at LT.
I doubt 7 sacks is average but yes, more to the point, why are they still trying to blow smoke up everyone's ass after that performance?
I guess the "gas up underperforming player" part of the Bengals offseason arrives a little early this year
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Im sure they will use the clock review consistently and not as another means to hand teams do-overs when they don't like the outcome of a play.
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18 minutes ago, SF2 said:
Unfortunately, there is truth to your opinion. People marvel at his size but that catches up with you like it seems to already have with him.
Whit played at 6-7 325 most of his career. He had exceptionally quick feet for a tackle.
And iirc you could count his missed starts on your fingers
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2 hours ago, BlackJesus said:
Brighter colors almost always look better.
Almost.
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40 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:
... A case can be made for not even drafting outside of the SEC, Big 10, or College Football Playoff teams at this point. Especially in rounds 1-4.
Probably the smart move when your draft room is one big bowl of questionable coleslaw away from also serving as your family reunion.
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15 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:
^ Getting Trent Brown for a cap hit of 4.4 million should be studied by other GMs in future textbooks. 🏆
Duke is cooking with jet fuel 🔥
He's managed one full season in the past 5 years. Based on his average availability it works out to about half a mil per start.
Until I know who will be playing RT the 2nd half of the season I'm gonna have to pump the brakes on all that backslapping just a bit.
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Was anyone really impressed with OB Jr last year? For all the yap he seemed pretty average to me. I guess the party line is to blame Volson but I'm not convinced.
Maybe its those "wide zone concepts" that seem to mean shuffling your feet while looking confused & not actually blocking anyone.
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5 hours ago, Jamie_B said:
They were in first after the break last year. The team is better this year at the start of the year than it was at the start of the year last year. It should be better positioned for a post season birth this year than it was last year.
I agree last year was last this year and this year they are less last year for next year. Last year they are this year starting next year's last year better.
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Always a few guys at each position that end up being good in the pros but aren't really on the media radar, usually because they're not at one of the football factory schools.
Unfortunately for us they tend to get scooped up by teams with good scouting departments.
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5 hours ago, SF2 said:
We got LUCKY. Lucky as fuck. Pure luck that Joe Burrow is a generationally great QB and we sucked so bad we had the first pick. Utter fucking luck. Lucky his knee got blown out and we got Chase the next draft. He fell into their lap because the team absolutely sucked.
& then when handed this generational talent they let the likes of Jonah Williams play out of position to save $6-8M on the way to letting their franchise QB be the most-sacked QB in the NFL (for the 2 seasons he's managed to stay on the field.)
Kinda like being handed a gold mine and building an outhouse over the mine shaft.
I think the younger generation of ownership may have learned something from their past but the fact remains they're only in that ownership position due to a genetic lottery.
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3 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:
Did a brief watch of Latham and it seems like he holds a ton
Good thing he's going to the modern NFL where holding isn't really a concern most of the time.
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1 hour ago, texbengal said:
Charlie needs to get stronger, that’s for sure. And I remember the one long pass when he hesitated at the end of the route and that was disappointing. But remember, TB didn’t knock it out of the park starting out… really, his third year was when he broke out… and the crew that he was part of wasn’t as good with Jerome Simpson et al as the one Jones was brought into. No doubt he needs to improve but I’m not ready to say he can’t play, and be a solid contributor. But yeah, obviously this fall will be big for him.Have to figure he was a 4th round pick for a reason. If teams thought he was ready to start he would've gone higher.
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Bengals: Zack Moss. Moss led the NFL in yards per carry outside of the tackles, according to ESPN Stats & Information. That's a great fit for a team that likes to employ wide zone concepts, a favorite of offensive line coach Frank Pollack. He's also adept out of the shotgun and is a very capable pass-blocker. Those things could significantly improve the offense if he performs as well as he did at the beginning of 2023. -- Baby
This is the sort of thing that has me down on Pollack despite only having late-round picks to work with.* His OL very clearly does not like to employ wide zone concepts. They suck at wide zone concepts. Wide zone concepts send the QB to IR. Wide zone concepts can't run the ball effectively.
Who gives a shit what the coaches like? A concept never blocked a blitzing LB. The system needs to fit the players they have, not some ideal roster in their heads.. Guessing this also tilts their draft board, overvaluing guys who fit this pet scheme instead of being flexible enough to take the BPA and adjust. He's gone after these smaller "athletic" linemen in the past that get absolutely ragdolled by AFCN DL's.
Ditto Zac as our OC to an extent. At time he seems to be calling plays that only looked good on paper & don't seem to be playing to their strengths. Starting with the OL's inability to execute them, assuming as a group they do have strengths to play to hidden somewhere.
*Carman is a notable exception as a 2nd round pick but the Bengals are not a good fit for a young player lacking motivation. This is a franchise where players can just show up and smile a lot or whatever & know they're going to play out their contracts. The coaches aren't scaring anybody because they're in that same boat no one seems willing to rock. Talked about it before, it's a cultural problem that I think stems from the nepotism. Regardless of why, lazy players & ineffective coaches both seem to feel comfortable here & Carman is only the latest example.
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8 hours ago, claptonrocks said:
Why?
Because I doubt they want to tag Higgins a second time and there's not anyone else like him on the roster waiting to take his place. The 2 they drafted last year were both late round picks & neither are that type of player.
I don't think they necessarily need to use the first pick to replace that, but they might. Again if it's a choice between the 3rd or 4th best WR in the class or the 7-8th best OT it follows that the WR is probably the better overall value. I don't have to like it but I can't deny their board could easily work out that way. When you're drafting in the bottom of the round it's about taking the best of whoever is left, they're probably not going to be looking at a dozen A-grade prospects.
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1 hour ago, sparky151 said:
I'd trade Tee for NE's 2nd rounder. They have lots of cap room to pay him and we can get a good player, not necessarily a WR at that pick. If AD Mitchell was still available there, then he'd be the pick. Or maybe we take Brian Thomas at 18 and come back for a tackle at 34.
Wondering if his value might go up the closer they wait until the trade deadline on Halloween. Fine with holding out for a relevant pick next year.
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The more I hear about which OT we're drafting the more I expect a WR.
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NFL’s “swivel hip-drop tackle” violation will be hard to spot in real time
in THE BENGALS FORUM - For Bengals Fans *Only*
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its kayfabe all the way down