March 10, 200619 yr comment_228843 [quote name='BengalSIS' post='228838' date='Mar 10 2006, 10:55 AM'][quote name='bengalrick' post='228832' date='Mar 10 2006, 10:49 AM'] but that is sort of beyond my point... [b]i am against abortion, but i wouldn't be so against it if it were not the forced law[/b]... i would accept it if it were legal in my state, but i would obviously push against it... but right now, the law is forced on me, b/c i can't do anything about it, and i think it is dead wrong and extremely immoral...[/quote] I'm not making any sense out of your argument here. You are talkin outta both sides of your mouth. Abortion is a choice currently. How do you say, "i wouldn't be so against it if it were not the forced law." The only other law besides making it a legal choice is to ban it altogether. So are you saying you would be for it then? What point is that? Rick, please slow down while typing. [/quote] hang on, its lunch time... i'll explain myself better in a bit...
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228860 [quote name='BengalSIS' post='228838' date='Mar 10 2006, 10:55 AM'][quote name='bengalrick' post='228832' date='Mar 10 2006, 10:49 AM'] but that is sort of beyond my point... [b]i am against abortion, but i wouldn't be so against it if it were not the forced law[/b]... i would accept it if it were legal in my state, but i would obviously push against it... but right now, the law is forced on me, b/c i can't do anything about it, and i think it is dead wrong and extremely immoral...[/quote] I'm not making any sense out of your argument here. You are talkin outta both sides of your mouth. Abortion is a choice currently. How do you say, "i wouldn't be so against it if it were not the forced law." The only other law besides making it a legal choice is to ban it altogether. So are you saying you would be for it then? What point is that? Rick, please slow down while typing. [/quote] abortion is a choice for each woman to make, if they become pregnant right now... imo, this should not be up to the mother to play w/ others lives... and to me, and fetus in a mothers stomach is a living being... i am not for banning it blindly acrossed the board either... that will defeat my purpose... it will only piss off the other side, and we will be in the same place we are now, only the complete opposite... that wouldn't be good for anyone really... i am for backing out roe vs. wade, and letting each state duke it out indivually... if you are for abortion, you can still find states that will back your point of view and help you out... i doubt places like massachusetts or new york would ban abortion, so the choice would still be there... but it wouldn't be forced on each state... you see, when roe v wade was put into law, it actually voided many state laws that had a ban on abortion... so yes, the law was forced on them...
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228892 Something for the kids... [img]http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a357/a357.gif[/img]
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228931 [quote name='Jamie_B' post='228819' date='Mar 10 2006, 10:27 AM'][quote name='Kool Keith' post='227587' date='Mar 8 2006, 12:52 AM'] Let me put my BJ hat on for a minute, and play shock-poster. [center] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[/center] [center][img]http://stream.hoosier.net/natoa2000/knight.jpg[/img][/center] [center] [b][size=5]"I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."[/size][/b][/center] How was that for a BJ style shock post?[/quote] I know what your attempting here, but this post isnt even close to funny or ironic. I dont know if you have or not, but when it happens to people you care about then somethings become very very out of bounds. Im pretty disapointed by this post. [/quote] I think you should lick my tea bag if you think that Bob Knight's dumbass quote of the century is anywhere near my view on RAPE, a crime. I've made my view apparent, and I put a disclaimer before the post. If you are looking to stir up shit, you'll need a bigger stick.
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228949 [quote name='Kool Keith' post='228931' date='Mar 10 2006, 01:17 PM'][quote name='Jamie_B' post='228819' date='Mar 10 2006, 10:27 AM'] [quote name='Kool Keith' post='227587' date='Mar 8 2006, 12:52 AM'] Let me put my BJ hat on for a minute, and play shock-poster. [center] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[/center] [center][img]http://stream.hoosier.net/natoa2000/knight.jpg[/img][/center] [center] [b][size=5]"I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."[/size][/b][/center] How was that for a BJ style shock post?[/quote] I know what your attempting here, but this post isnt even close to funny or ironic. I dont know if you have or not, but when it happens to people you care about then somethings become very very out of bounds. Im pretty disapointed by this post. [/quote] I think you should lick my tea bag if you think that Bob Knight's dumbass quote of the century is anywhere near my view on RAPE, a crime. I've made my view apparent, and I put a disclaimer before the post. If you are looking to stir up shit, you'll need a bigger stick. [/quote] Im not attempting to stir up anything, just as someone who has had this happen to people close to him there are lines drawn that you just dont cross even when attempting to make a point or a joke. You crossed it.
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228953 Jamie, talking to him is like talking to the back side of a double wide trailer with the NASCAR logo on it. Abort, over.
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228957 [quote name='ONYX' post='228953' date='Mar 10 2006, 01:54 PM']Jamie, talking to him is like talking to the back side of a double wide trailer with the NASCAR logo on it. Abort, over.[/quote] And I hope thats not true...
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228961 House, football, hoops. Oh, and disc golf. Nascar???? Trailer??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...over.
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228975 I will fully admit to being an "extreamist" on this issue. My first college girlfriend was raped by her best friend in high school. She decided on having the kid because she was against killing someone who was innocent in the whole thing, she went to what's called a Godparent home and struggled for months going back and forth on wether or not she wanted to keep the child or give it up for adoption, with her decision finally being an open adoption so that she could meet the parents and feel ok with her daughter being taken care of by someone she had at least met vs someone she didnt. Now Im not saying that all abortions should be stopped even in rape and incest, but some of your examples are too black and white.
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228982 Thanks for putting some real life into this issue Jamie. I know a couple of girls that have been raped - one that I'm very close to, also. No babies or abortions ever resulted, but a strong urge for self protection did. Now, one of the girls carries a G26 and knows how to use it. She wants to make sure she is prepared to the best of her abilities that there won't be a next time. As for line crossing... I suppose I could take it back. That was certainly out of character, although it was certainly well aimed.
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228989 I'm saying not all women are strong enough, or capable of dealing with the situation in the brave and commendable way you just explained. It's not MY business to make that decision for her. Of course I prefer she have the baby, but it's not my life. I don't have to deal with ANY of the consequences of her pregnancy regarding money, time, etc. She is the only one who can decide. Can she get help and support from friends, family, agencies, etc? Absolutely, but she should have a choice.
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228993 [quote name='BengalSIS' post='228989' date='Mar 10 2006, 02:45 PM']I'm saying not all women are strong enough, or capable of dealing with the situation in the brave and commendable way you just explained. It's not MY business to make that decision for her. Of course I prefer she have the baby, but it's not my life. I don't have to deal with ANY of the consequences of her pregnancy regarding money, time, etc. She is the only one who can decide. Can she get help and support from friends, family, agencies, etc? Absolutely, but she should have a choice.[/quote] Like I said Im an extreamist about this. But what choice does the child have in the matter? Also if its not rape and she doesnt want it but the man does, what choice does he have? Your being too black and white.
March 10, 200619 yr comment_228994 [quote name='Kool Keith' post='228982' date='Mar 10 2006, 02:40 PM']Thanks for putting some real life into this issue Jamie. I know a couple of girls that have been raped - one that I'm very close to, also. No babies or abortions ever resulted, but a strong urge for self protection did. Now, one of the girls carries a G26 and knows how to use it. She wants to make sure she is prepared to the best of her abilities that there won't be a next time. As for line crossing... I suppose I could take it back. That was certainly out of character, although it was certainly well aimed.[/quote] Were cool, I was just a bit bothered by it.
March 10, 200619 yr comment_229000 [quote name='Jamie_B' post='228993' date='Mar 10 2006, 02:48 PM'][quote name='BengalSIS' post='228989' date='Mar 10 2006, 02:45 PM'] I'm saying not all women are strong enough, or capable of dealing with the situation in the brave and commendable way you just explained. It's not MY business to make that decision for her. Of course I prefer she have the baby, but it's not my life. I don't have to deal with ANY of the consequences of her pregnancy regarding money, time, etc. She is the only one who can decide. Can she get help and support from friends, family, agencies, etc? Absolutely, but she should have a choice.[/quote] Like I said Im an extreamist about this. But what choice does the child have in the matter? Also if its not rape and she doesnt want it but the man does, what choice does he have? Your being too black and white. [/quote] Being an extremist about it and denying abortion all together isn't being too black and white? I can't sit here and come up with every possible scenario and discuss it. I completely understand the idea of the man wanting and the woman not. BUT, the man is not at this point in time as "responsible" to the child as the mother in the eyes of the courts. He can (and has many times) been there throught the pregnancy, and then left mother high and dry. And there is more to raising a child than giving money. I know there are great dads, I know a few single dads myself, but I bet they are the minority. The woman is still the one who has to carry the child and her life is affected for up to a year. The man does NOT have this. Her decision should carry more weight. If the man is truly supporting of her and baby, then I suspect in most cases, she WILL have the baby. But abortion should STILL be a legal option. There are court cases where the woman wants abortion and man challenges decision. That should continue to be the case as long as these hearings can be done ASAP (maybe not realistic). And with incest??? The baby could have problems and many may not want to adopt a child of incest for fear of problems. Who knows? But should a 13 yr old girl raped by her father have to lose a year of her life (at the LEAST) because her father impregnated her?
March 10, 200619 yr comment_229002 [quote name='Jamie_B' post='228993' date='Mar 10 2006, 02:48 PM'][quote name='BengalSIS' post='228989' date='Mar 10 2006, 02:45 PM'] I'm saying not all women are strong enough, or capable of dealing with the situation in the brave and commendable way you just explained. It's not MY business to make that decision for her. Of course I prefer she have the baby, but it's not my life. I don't have to deal with ANY of the consequences of her pregnancy regarding money, time, etc. She is the only one who can decide. Can she get help and support from friends, family, agencies, etc? Absolutely, but she should have a choice.[/quote] Like I said Im an extreamist about this. But what choice does the child have in the matter? Also if its not rape and she doesnt want it but the man does, what choice does he have? Your being too black and white. [/quote] i think too many peopel use the excuse of "not ready" or "not finanically ready" but i think this discounts an important factor or two... first of all, and less important, is that any mother that is not set financially will get benefits out the ass that will help her raise that kid... but most importantly, having a kid seems to change people... you are more responsible, and have something to work for that isn't yourself... people tend to step up and change... saying "i don't have the money to have a baby" is the easy way out... hell, i bet that 90% of the families that have babies, could use that excuse... the key is changing that problem...
March 10, 200619 yr comment_229003 I suppose what I’m getting at is that I want people to not be so cavalier in their decisions especially about life. Think about what it is you are doing, don’t make it about you and your convenience, if you want ‘choice’, choose to be selfless…adoption is a much more loving option.
March 10, 200619 yr comment_229008 [quote name='BengalSIS' post='228789' date='Mar 10 2006, 09:20 AM']example: Successful couple: men here pretend this is you and your wife. Woman is a manager at a successful company and well on her way to reaching her goals and getting that promotion she's worked so hard for. Scene: On the way home from work, she stops at a gas station. It's dark and she gets grabbed as she walks behind her car, dragged off into the bushes and raped repeatedly. She becomes pregnant. She does not want this child. It serves as a constant reminder of her ordeal. She would have to carry the child to term (possibly risking her job by having time off), and going through all the changes pregnancy causes a woman. Not to mention complications could result from pregnancy and she could have other health issues to deal with. I don't think ANYONE, other than this woman can know what she can and can't handle. And seeing as she didn't ask for this to happen, this isn't a situation where she would have to live "with her choices"[/quote] ADOPTION
March 10, 200619 yr comment_229013 [quote name='BadassBengal' post='229008' date='Mar 10 2006, 03:18 PM'][quote name='BengalSIS' post='228789' date='Mar 10 2006, 09:20 AM'] example: Successful couple: men here pretend this is you and your wife. Woman is a manager at a successful company and well on her way to reaching her goals and getting that promotion she's worked so hard for. Scene: On the way home from work, she stops at a gas station. It's dark and she gets grabbed as she walks behind her car, dragged off into the bushes and raped repeatedly. She becomes pregnant. She does not want this child. It serves as a constant reminder of her ordeal. She would have to carry the child to term (possibly risking her job by having time off), and going through all the changes pregnancy causes a woman. Not to mention complications could result from pregnancy and she could have other health issues to deal with. I don't think ANYONE, other than this woman can know what she can and can't handle. And seeing as she didn't ask for this to happen, this isn't a situation where she would have to live "with her choices"[/quote] ADOPTION [/quote] And how much experience do you have in this area? Please expand on your opinion. Do you have any sisters?
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