THOSE BITCHES ARE AFRAID !!!!!

[Jamie_B]

[img]http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4549/killthemall24ud.jpg[/img]

[number85]

The stealers should not even show up on week 3 because Carson is going to pick up where he left off in the playoff game.

[-GoBengals-]

[quote name='FC2005' post='273084' date='May 25 2006, 12:00 PM']That is the definition of bandwagon....the stealers have sold out every one of their home games for 30 years, winning season or not.



That is the definition of bandwagon....the stealers have sold out every one of their home games for 30 years, winning season or not.[/quote]



yes, also with more tickets on ebay as well, talk about die hard, about as die hard as the fans who sold me thier goal line 9th row seats for $80/ea on ebay?

sure cincinnati is full of bandwagon fans, pittsburgh isnt? i guess zero of those season tickets are for brokers? and i bet NO ONE bought them when they sucked and sell them for profit each year instead of attending? each and every team has badnwagon fans, no parents are going to take thier family of 4 and spend $300 on a game that the team may likely lose and have th kids hate it. cincinnati sucks, not QUITE as much as pittsburgh, but it sucks, the people are stuck up republican assholes, i think the employement outside the trucking industry is was puts cincy a notch above. i would consider a bandwagon fan someone who never would spoend the money to go to a game, when they win goes and gets the popular players jersey, when they lose disgraces them and says they suck, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to watch your favorite team lose at the cost of $70+ a person. I have missed 3 bengals games in the last two years, home or away, i have never met more uneducated, jackass, shit starting dirtbag people than what i did in pittsburgh the last 3 years, win or lose its the smae classless dribble.



PS: are those the same die hard fans emptying out of the stadium with 4 minutes left in the game last year at wienz field? with die hard fans like that who needs bandwagoners?

[TheChosenOne]

[quote name='SS.' post='273098' date='May 25 2006, 12:15 PM']I, for one, hope Carson comes back 100%. No excuses for you guys then.[/quote]

The obvious response.

[quote name='SS.' post='273098' date='May 25 2006, 12:15 PM']As it is, we're 4-1 against him now. I'd hardly describe fear as the motivating factor in this case.[/quote]

3-1. Or are you dumb enough to count a game in which he threw only one pass and got taken out on that very same play?

...on second thought, I shouldn't be expecting that kind of intelligence from a stealers fan.

More importantly, the one that Palmer won was the most recent and biggest of them. Again discounting the game in which he was cheap-shotted and driven off the field on a cart, but really that works towards my argument. I don't think one can find any motivating factor in cheap-shotting the other team's best player, other than fear.

[Hooky]

[quote name='FC2005' post='273084' date='May 25 2006, 12:00 PM']That is the definition of bandwagon....the stealers have sold out every one of their home games for 30 years, winning season or not.
That is the definition of bandwagon....the stealers have sold out every one of their home games for 30 years, winning season or not.[/quote]

So you can't be consider a fan of a team unless you go to all their games? Good point. Good point.

[Repeater]

Ah yes... You're on to them...

Fans all over the country are terrified of the tremendous record Palmer has amassed vs Pitt.
Wailing!
Lamentation!
Tearing of the hair...

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='Repeater' post='276587' date='Jun 2 2006, 12:35 PM']Ah yes... You're on to them...

Fans all over the country are terrified of the 1 for 5 record Palmer has amassed.

Wailing!
Lamentation!
Tearing of the hair...[/quote]
Clearly, Carson Palmer is a MUCH better QB than in his first year of starting. So I say it's really 1-1. The Bengals were still in rebuilding mode in 04.
Now it's on. No more excuses. We get our cannon back, and you got your ill-gotten SB win.
Tit for tat.
I can't wait for next season, week three.

[The_Joker]

[quote name='Repeater' post='276587' date='Jun 2 2006, 02:35 PM']Ah yes... You're on to them...

Fans all over the country are terrified of the tremendous record Palmer has amassed vs Pitt.
Wailing!
Lamentation!
Tearing of the hair...[/quote]
[size=6][b]You're a FAG!![/b][/size]

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Repeater' post='276587' date='Jun 2 2006, 02:35 PM']Ah yes... You're on to them...

Fans all over the country are terrified of the tremendous record Palmer has amassed vs Pitt.
Wailing!
Lamentation!
Tearing of the hair...[/quote]


And Im sure us Bengal fans are worried about ole Handoffs Mcgee.

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='276597' date='Jun 2 2006, 12:54 PM']And Im sure us Bengal fans are worried about ole Handoffs Mcgee. [/quote]
I am, because Ben has said he's going to expand his role in an article in the pissburgh newspapers.

[JC]

Since Carson Palmer is 1-5 or 1-4 what the fuck ever he is...we might as well not show up because chances are...we will probably lose.


What the fuck does that record matter? Im so sad that will effect the games this year!

[Repeater]

What is "handoff McGee's" career QB rating?

What's Palmers?

Perhaps your boy should hand off more often...

[Die Hard Orange and Black]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='276602' date='Jun 2 2006, 02:59 PM']I am, because Ben has said he's going to expand his role in an article in the pissburgh newspapers.
[/quote]
He's going to expand his role by throwing more INT's.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Repeater' post='276919' date='Jun 3 2006, 01:02 AM']What is "handoff McGee's" career QB rating?

What's Palmers?

Perhaps your boy should hand off more often...[/quote]


Well when you dont pass as often and do high effect short passing you'd expect that.

By the way is ole handoffs, tied for most weeks in a row with a QB rating above 100?

Didnt think so.

[Repeater]

I never stated nor implied that Palmer wasn't a good quarterback.

I merely point out that Roethlisberger is a bit more efficient at the position.

[The Entertainer]

[size=2][u][b]Carson's Stats[/b][/u][/size]

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2005 345 509 3836 67.8 7.54 70 32 12 19 101.1
Career 608 941 6733 64.6 7.16 76 50 30 44 90.2
Postseason - 2005 1 1 66 100.0 66.00 66 0 0 0 118.8

2005 Game Log Passing Rushing
WEEK OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG TD
1 @CLE W 27-13 26 34 280 76.5 35 2 1 107.5 0 0 0.0 0
2 MIN W 37-8 27 40 337 67.5 70 3 1 108.0 4 3 0.8 0
3 @CHI W 24-7 16 23 169 69.6 40 3 0 130.3 6 -3 -0.5 0
4 HOU W 16-10 25 34 276 73.5 22 1 0 107.0 1 -1 -1.0 0
5 @JAC L 23-20 22 33 239 66.7 47 2 0 108.0 1 1 1.0 0
6 @TEN W 31-23 27 33 272 81.8 35 2 0 121.2 3 4 1.3 0
7 PIT L 27-13 21 36 227 58.3 47 0 2 53.8 3 8 2.7 1
8 GNB W 21-14 22 34 237 64.7 38 3 1 102.2 0 0 0.0 0
9 @BAL W 21-9 19 26 248 73.1 48 2 0 128.4 5 -6 -1.2 0
10 Bye
11 IND L 45-37 25 38 335 65.8 68 2 1 100.2 1 1 1.0 0
12 BAL W 42-29 22 30 302 73.3 54 3 1 124.6 1 14 14.0 0
13 @PIT W 38-31 22 38 227 57.9 43 3 0 101.5 3 -3 -1.0 0
14 CLE W 23-20 13 27 93 48.1 16 1 1 53.5 1 1 1.0 0
15 @DET W 41-17 28 39 274 71.8 20 3 2 95.5 1 8 8.0 0
16 BUF L 37-27 25 36 266 69.4 41 2 2 86.1 4 14 3.5 0
17 @KC L 37-3 5 8 54 62.5 32 0 0 82.3 0 0 0.0 0
WEEK OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG TD
WC PIT L 31-17 1 1 66 100.0 66 0 0 118.8 0 0 0.0 0


[size=2][u][b]Vagina's Stats:[/b][/u][/size]

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2005 168 268 2385 62.7 8.90 85 17 9 23 98.6
Career 364 563 5006 64.7 8.89 85 34 20 53 98.3
Postseason - 2005 58 93 803 62.4 8.63 54 7 3 6 101.7

2005 Game Log Passing Rushing
WEEK OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG TD
1 TEN W 34-7 9 11 218 81.8 63 2 0 158.3 3 5 1.7 0
2 @HOU W 27-7 14 21 254 66.7 54 2 0 139.8 0 0 0.0 0
3 NE L 23-20 12 28 216 42.9 85 2 0 93.7 3 17 5.7 0
4 Bye
5 @SD W 24-22 17 26 225 65.4 33 1 0 105.4 2 15 7.5 1
6 JAC L 23-17 (OT) Did Not Play
7 @CIN W 27-13 9 14 93 64.3 21 2 1 93.2 4 -5 -1.3 0
8 BAL W 20-19 18 30 177 60.0 23 2 1 85.0 4 4 1.0 0
9 @GNB W 20-10 Did Not Play
10 CLE W 34-21 Did Not Play
11 @BAL L 16-13 (OT) Did Not Play
12 @IND L 26-7 17 26 133 65.4 35 1 2 58.7 3 21 7.0 0
13 CIN L 38-31 29 41 386 70.7 41 3 3 94.2 1 2 2.0 0
14 CHI W 21-9 13 20 173 65.0 45 1 0 109.0 2 -2 -1.0 0
15 @MIN W 18-3 10 15 149 66.7 50 0 0 99.0 6 7 1.2 1
16 @CLE W 41-0 13 20 226 65.0 46 1 0 120.0 0 0 0.0 0
17 DET W 35-21 7 16 135 43.8 43 0 2 34.1 3 5 1.7 1
WEEK OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG TD
WC @CIN W 31-17 14 19 208 73.7 54 3 0 148.7 4 3 0.8 0
DIV @IND W 21-18 14 24 197 58.3 45 2 1 95.3 5 -3 -0.6 0
CONF @DEN W 34-17 21 29 275 72.4 30 2 0 124.9 3 12 4.0 1
SB SEA W 21-10 9 21 123 42.9 37 0 2 22.6 7 25 3.6 1


Repeater, when your "handoff guy" only throws the ball 268 times in one season (22.3 times a game), you can't say that your quarterback is better than ours. Vagina's stats don't even come close to Carson who threw 509 times last season (31.8 times a game). Hell, Carson alomst threw the ball more last year than in Vagina's entire career.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Repeater' post='276974' date='Jun 3 2006, 09:26 AM']I never stated nor implied that Palmer wasn't a good quarterback.

I merely point out that Roethlisberger is a bit more efficient at the position.[/quote]


And I never stated TurdBurderler wasnt good, hell Trent Dilfer was good enought to win the superbowl, Im stating that if the handoff to pass ratio was equal those numbers would probabally be different.

I am curious though, do they give Fed Ex Air Player of the Year awards or #2 in probowl votes out for effeciency?

[The Entertainer]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='276978' date='Jun 3 2006, 09:40 AM']I am curious though, do they give Fed Ex Air Player of the Year awards or #2 in probowl votes out for effeciency? [/quote]


[size=5][color="#FF6600"][b]PWNED!![/b][/color][/size]

[Jamie_B]

Entertainer these guys like to use carreer numbers as opposed to last year because they know it brings carsons overall numbers down as one would expect with 99% of QBs not falling into Ben's situation (of a good team) and most having to take a year to adjust to the NFL. Youll find that when you compare last years numbers they want to tuck their tail and change the subject to carreer. It's just like when they say they are 4-1 against Carson, that 4th comes from the playoff game where he was in for a grand total of two plays.

Its pretty lame.

[The_Joker]

[b][size=5]PWNED X2[/size][/b]

[Repeater]

PASSING

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2004 pissburgh stealers 14 13 295 196 66.4 2621 8.88 58 17 11 30/213 43 7 98.1
2005 pissburgh stealers 12 12 268 168 62.7 2385 8.90 85 17 9 23/129 35 12 98.6
TOTAL 26 25 563 364 64.7 5006 8.89 85 34 20 53/342 78 19 98.3

You wanna use stats... Ok.

Please note the 98.3 rating vs the 90.2 for Palmer... You might also want to note the superior yards per attempt numbers... Now admittedly, I think Palmer has an extra year under his belt and I can certainly see the possibility that Roethlisberger's QB rating could drop, so in no way am I reducing the accomplishment's of your guy. Palmer fits your offensive system better. You're a finesse team that isn't so interested in controlling the clock or pounding the ground game. You guys would rather score quickly with big plays. Hey, we like big plays too. However philosophically, the stealers are more of a ground-control, grind it out team that doesn't want to throw the ball 40 times a game. Hell if we can get Roethlisberger to throw 20 times a game and complete 15 of em... we're good with that. Nevertheless, the offensive goal is to control the ball for six or seven minutes, make a long drive and eventually end up with the same points that you guys scored in say two minutes and then put your defense back on the field.

Carson is great for your scheme... He throws a nice deep ball and he's obviously fairly accurate in the median range as well. Johnson is a fine receiver and I think Houshmanzadeh is under-rated throughout the league. I think Henry probably was a fine prospect, but given his recent inability to stay out of the police station, he may begin to slowly fade from the Offensive game-planning over the next season or two, but I don't know that of course. I just think it's a shame that your OC doesn't use Johnson more effectively.

Our first game of the season last year, Rudi was running wild on us early in the game and then inexplicably, you guys stopped using him. (Thank you.) I think Palmer is going to be a great competitor for years to come, I think you'll be a strong offensive team for some time and I expect that you'll truly be a force in the league once your defense gets a few more pieces in place. (I guess you had some major injuries in the secondary last year, so that probably hurt, although your backups sure did a nice job of ball-hawking...) Anyway, Thurman is a stud, Justin Smith puts his heart into it and I just can't believe that eventually Lewis isn't going to freak out on your DC and demand that your defense make a move to perform at the level that your offense does.

At that point... You'll be a serious force in the AFC.

All things considered. I'll stick with our guy, but I wish you (limited) luck with yours.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Repeater' post='277874' date='Jun 5 2006, 12:24 PM']PASSING

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2004 pissburgh stealers 14 13 295 196 66.4 2621 8.88 58 17 11 30/213 43 7 98.1
2005 pissburgh stealers 12 12 268 168 62.7 2385 8.90 85 17 9 23/129 35 12 98.6
TOTAL 26 25 563 364 64.7 5006 8.89 85 34 20 53/342 78 19 98.3

You wanna use stats... Ok.

Please note the 98.3 rating vs the 90.2 for Palmer... You might also want to note the superior yards per attempt numbers... Now admittedly, I think Palmer has an extra year under his belt and I can certainly see the possibility that Roethlisberger's QB rating could drop, so in no way am I reducing the accomplishment's of your guy. Palmer fits your offensive system better. You're a finesse team that isn't so interested in controlling the clock or pounding the ground game. You guys would rather score quickly with big plays. Hey, we like big plays too. However philosophically, the stealers are more of a ground-control, grind it out team that doesn't want to throw the ball 40 times a game. Hell if we can get Roethlisberger to throw 20 times a game and complete 15 of em... we're good with that. Nevertheless, the offensive goal is to control the ball for six or seven minutes, make a long drive and eventually end up with the same points that you guys scored in say two minutes and then put your defense back on the field.

Carson is great for your scheme... He throws a nice deep ball and he's obviously fairly accurate in the median range as well. Johnson is a fine receiver and I think Houshmanzadeh is under-rated throughout the league. I think Henry probably was a fine prospect, but given his recent inability to stay out of the police station, he may begin to slowly fade from the Offensive game-planning over the next season or two, but I don't know that of course. I just think it's a shame that your OC doesn't use Johnson more effectively.

Our first game of the season last year, Rudi was running wild on us early in the game and then inexplicably, you guys stopped using him. (Thank you.) I think Palmer is going to be a great competitor for years to come, I think you'll be a strong offensive team for some time and I expect that you'll truly be a force in the league once your defense gets a few more pieces in place. (I guess you had some major injuries in the secondary last year, so that probably hurt, although your backups sure did a nice job of ball-hawking...) Anyway, Thurman is a stud, Justin Smith puts his heart into it and I just can't believe that eventually Lewis isn't going to freak out on your DC and demand that your defense make a move to perform at the level that your offense does.

At that point... You'll be a serious force in the AFC.

All things considered. I'll stick with our guy, but I wish you (limited) luck with yours.[/quote]



Now lets talk to something that the stats dont show. Every single guy on that Dline last year was not only playing under a new Coord, but also at a new position. We lost both starting Safties, had two starting rookie linebackers (one who missed training camp in addition to learning a new position).

Now we've added a guy that is one season removed from the probowl at DT and a former superbowl MVP Saftey, in addition to getting a stud back at the other saftey spot. The two linebackers now have a year under their belt and should be used to the speed of the NFL. (hell pollack played pretty damn well in that playoff loss)...

those of you who dont pay attention (which is most of that site) are going to be in for a supprise this year.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Repeater' post='277874' date='Jun 5 2006, 12:24 PM']PASSING

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2004 pissburgh stealers 14 13 295 196 66.4 2621 8.88 58 17 11 30/213 43 7 98.1
2005 pissburgh stealers 12 12 268 168 62.7 2385 8.90 85 17 9 23/129 35 12 98.6
TOTAL 26 25 563 364 64.7 5006 8.89 85 34 20 53/342 78 19 98.3

You wanna use stats... Ok.

[b]Please note the 98.3 rating vs the 90.2 for Palmer[/b]... You might also want to note the superior yards per attempt numbers... Now admittedly, I think Palmer has an extra year under his belt and I can certainly see the possibility that Roethlisberger's QB rating could drop, so in no way am I reducing the accomplishment's of your guy. Palmer fits your offensive system better. You're a finesse team that isn't so interested in controlling the clock or pounding the ground game. You guys would rather score quickly with big plays. Hey, we like big plays too. However philosophically, the stealers are more of a ground-control, grind it out team that doesn't want to throw the ball 40 times a game. Hell if we can get Roethlisberger to throw 20 times a game and complete 15 of em... we're good with that. Nevertheless, the offensive goal is to control the ball for six or seven minutes, make a long drive and eventually end up with the same points that you guys scored in say two minutes and then put your defense back on the field.

Carson is great for your scheme... He throws a nice deep ball and he's obviously fairly accurate in the median range as well. Johnson is a fine receiver and I think Houshmanzadeh is under-rated throughout the league. I think Henry probably was a fine prospect, but given his recent inability to stay out of the police station, he may begin to slowly fade from the Offensive game-planning over the next season or two, but I don't know that of course. I just think it's a shame that your OC doesn't use Johnson more effectively.

Our first game of the season last year, Rudi was running wild on us early in the game and then inexplicably, you guys stopped using him. (Thank you.) I think Palmer is going to be a great competitor for years to come, I think you'll be a strong offensive team for some time and I expect that you'll truly be a force in the league once your defense gets a few more pieces in place. (I guess you had some major injuries in the secondary last year, so that probably hurt, although your backups sure did a nice job of ball-hawking...) Anyway, Thurman is a stud, Justin Smith puts his heart into it and I just can't believe that eventually Lewis isn't going to freak out on your DC and demand that your defense make a move to perform at the level that your offense does.

At that point... You'll be a serious force in the AFC.

All things considered. I'll stick with our guy, but I wish you (limited) luck with yours.[/quote]


Wow I missed that the 1st time..

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See what I said here reguarding carreer stats...

[quote]Entertainer these guys like to use carreer numbers as opposed to last year because they know it brings carsons overall numbers down as one would expect with 99% of QBs not falling into Ben's situation (of a good team) and most having to take a year to adjust to the NFL. Youll find that when you compare last years numbers they want to tuck their tail and change the subject to carreer. It's just like when they say they are 4-1 against Carson, that 4th comes from the playoff game where he was in for a grand total of two plays.

Its pretty lame.[/quote]


Do I need to bold it? Make it nice and big? Color it?

99% of ALL QBs coming into the league struggle in their 1st year playing to get used to the speed of the NFL. Ben fell into a good situation, Carson fell into a team that still had alot of holes. So of course Ben's 1st year numbers would be higher than Carsons.

[b]YOUR SKEWING THE NUMBERS TO MAKE AN ABSURD ARGUMENT.[/b]

To really get a handle on them as QBs the 1st years should be thrown out. Obvously Carson has now gotten used to the speed of the NFL and as such his numbers have improved. Thus the real crux of our arument here should be a comparison of the two last year, which Entertainer was doing. But this doesnt make your guy look as good as Carson does so you again skew the arguement to make him look better, but again... 99% of all QBs comming into the league dont play well their 1st year, I can think of Ben and Marino who did and both of them fell into good situations. Any and probabally every football anylist would tell you the same, but because the argument of carrer vs last year makes Ben look better you choose to use it, ignoring the lameness of the argument.

It's quite comical.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='The_Joker' post='277046' date='Jun 3 2006, 01:01 PM'][b][size=5]PWNED X2[/size][/b][/quote]


And what's funny about this pwnage is that he did it again after I said what I said about it.

MAAAAAASSSS PWNAGE right there.

[The_Joker]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='277969' date='Jun 5 2006, 03:09 PM']And what's funny about this pwnage is that he did it again after I said what I said about it.

MAAAAAASSSS PWNAGE right there.[/quote]
WRD!!!