'ACLU Solstice Barn'

[Jamie_B]

Now this is funny.

[url="http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53247"]http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53247[/url]

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In tongue-in-cheek deference to the American Civil Liberties Union, students at the University of Texas displayed an "ACLU Solstice Barn" on campus, featuring politically correct figures.
"We've got Gary and Joseph instead of Mary and Joseph in order to symbolize ACLU support for homosexual marriage, and of course there isn't a Jesus in the manger," said Tony McDonald, chairman of the Young Conservatives of Texas branch on the Austin campus.

The group, whose plans WND had reported earlier, installed the "crèche" on the West Mall of the campus for display yesterday and today.

McDonald told WND today the reaction by students to the display was overwhelmingly positive.

"Even some liberals got the humor in it and conceded certain positions the ACLU takes are out of touch with the mainstream of Americans," he said.

One visitor turned out to be the ACLU's top official in Texas, who, according to McDonald, "had to admit that it was humorous."

McDonald said quite a number of students aren't even aware of the ACLU, and members of his group that manned the display throughout the day had to explain the acronym.

The three Wise Men in the display were Lenin, Marx and Stalin, McDonald told WND, because ACLU founder Roger Baldwin, while director of the organization, was a backer of Soviet-style communism.

As director of the ACLU in 1934, Baldwin wrote an article entitled "Freedom in the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R." in which he said "the Soviet Union has already created liberties far greater than exist elsewhere in the world." He later moderated his views but maintained a commitment to socialism.

The scene also featured a "terrorist shepherd" and an angel with Democratic Rep. Nancy Pelosi's face, using a photograph of the soon-to-be speaker of the House from San Francisco

"The ACLU and other left-wing extremist groups are working diligently to destroy Americans' rights to the free expression of religion," said the Young Conservatives' Executive Director Joseph Wyly.

Wyly pointed to the city of Chicago's decision this week to ban advertisements for "The Nativity Story" movie from a local Christmas festival, fearing they might offend non-Christians.

"It's just more evidence that there is a war on Christmas being waged by the far-left in this country," he said.[/quote]

[Ben]

i'm not sure if i even want to get into this..


Yeah, the ACLU [url="http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/"]Hates Christians[/url]

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Ben' post='402115' date='Dec 6 2006, 01:23 PM']i'm not sure if i even want to get into this..
Yeah, the ACLU [url="http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/"]Hates Christians[/url][/quote]


[quote]"Even some liberals got the humor in it and conceded certain positions the ACLU takes are out of touch with the mainstream of Americans," he said.[/quote]


"Some".... not all.

[Ben]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='402121' date='Dec 6 2006, 01:34 PM']"Some".... not all. [/quote]

Yeah.. It will probably take me 60 seconds, instead of 30 seconds this year to find a nativity scene.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Ben' post='402127' date='Dec 6 2006, 01:48 PM']Yeah.. It will probably take me 60 seconds, instead of 30 seconds this year to find a nativity scene.[/quote]



It is a JOKE. You get jokes dont you?

[Ben]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='402128' date='Dec 6 2006, 01:50 PM']It is a JOKE. You get jokes dont you?[/quote]

i know... I find it pretty funny that they desecrated a nativity scene to make their point. I dont think the son of god approves.

/sorry....in a mood today

[Jamie_B]

Joke aside, if you dont think they sometimes go a bit far in their defence of everything free speech, this was a case they defended. I dont think they are the same org they could be or should be. There are times when they go too far. Case in point..

[url="http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/07/26/091744.php"]http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/07/26/091744.php[/url]

[quote]ACLU Policy To Legalize Child Porn Distribution
Written by Jay
Published July 26, 2005

Students of liberty, from John Stuart Mill to Thomas Emerson, have all intentionally excluded children from their formula for freedom. The ACLU does not. Not even when the subject is pornography. Quote from Twilight Of Liberty
In 1982, the ACLU, in an amicus role, lost in a unanimous decision in the Supreme Court to legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography.

The case is New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747.

The ACLU's position is this: criminalize the production but legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography. This is the kind of lawyerly distinction that no one on the Supreme Court found convincing. And with good reason: as long as a free market in child pornography exists, there will always be some producers willing to risk prosecution. Beyond this, there is also the matter of how the sale of child pornography relates either to free speech or the ends of good government. But most important, the central issue is whether a free society should legalize transactions that involve the wholesale sexploitation of children for profit.
The ACLU objects to the idea that porn movie producers be required to maintain records of ages of its performers; this would be " a gross violation of privacy." Quotes from Twilight Of Liberty


I don't think that any other ACLU stance evokes more anger from me, than this one. I mean, how sick can you get? Do these people not have a conscience at all, or are they just plain EVIL? How can one argue this sick, twisted view in the name of "protecting civil liberties?" Please, some liberal out there that loves defending this evil organization...explain this to us.

Since the ACLU thinks that child pornography should be legal, it is not surprising to read that it is against making it a felony to advertise, sell, purchase, barter, exchange, give, or receive child pornography. It is particularly distressed about the prohibition on advertisement, arguing that "the law cannot expect every publisher to decode every advertisment for some hidden and sinister meaning," as if it took a technician-armed with a special decoding device-to ferret out pictures of children ludely exhibiting their genitals. Quote from Twilight Of Liberty
As legislative counsel for the ACLU in 1985, Barry Lynn told the U.S. Attorney General's Commission on Pornography (of which Focus on the Family President Dr. James C. Dobson was a member) that child pornography was protected by the First Amendment. While production of child porn could be prevented by law, he argued, its distribution could not be. A few years later (1988), Lynn told the Senate Judiciary Committee that even requiring porn producers to maintain records of their performers' ages was impermissible. "If there is no federal record-keeping requirement for the people portrayed in Road and Track or Star Wars," he said, "there can be no such requirement for Hustler or Debbie Does Dallas." Citizen magazine
Is the ACLU completely retarded? I would love to think there was some kind of saving grace for an organization that says it is about protecting civil liberties, but with positions like this...which you KNOW are against the will of the people, I don't know if there is. My head is about to explode just typing this stuff!

Let's take a deeper look at the industry that the ACLU wants to defend here.


"It would be a mistake to think that all the children who are being exploited sexually are kidnapped by "kid porn" operators. Many of the children are being sold to people by their parents. In some cases, the parents have agreed to perform incest with their children. Gonorrhea of the throat in infants as young as nine and eighteen months has been reported. source

This is as sick as it gets folks. But the ACLU believes it is a freedom being denied to people. And before liberals start to ask, yes, the ACLU has a current policy advocating the legalization of child porn distribution and possession. Yes, the ACLU still currently defends pedophile organizations.

"Mere possession should not be a crime," said John Roberts, executive director of the Boston branch of the American Civil Liberties Union." The Boston Herald
They are a radically out of control organization that consistently goes too far, and they must be stopped before they destroy our nation. As for those who support the ACLU, this is the kind of crap your money goes to. As a parent of a five-year-old child, and as a citizen of this great nation, I am outraged! Help us stop this insane organization![/quote]

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Ben' post='402136' date='Dec 6 2006, 02:10 PM']i know... I find it pretty funny that they desecrated a nativity scene to make their point. I dont think the son of god approves.

/sorry....in a mood today[/quote]


No prob. Although I disagree, I think God has a sence of humor... look at the duck-billed platupus.

[Ben]

What is funny/ironic, the ACLU would defend their right to have the "solstice Barn" up if the school tried to make them remove it.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Ben' post='402157' date='Dec 6 2006, 02:53 PM']What is funny/ironic, the ACLU would defend their right to have the "solstice Barn" up if the school tried to make them remove it.[/quote]



Oh the ACLU rep thought it was humorus.

[quote]One visitor turned out to be the ACLU's top official in Texas, who, according to McDonald, "had to admit that it was humorous."[/quote]

[Ben]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='402161' date='Dec 6 2006, 02:59 PM']Oh the ACLU rep thought it was humorus.[/quote]

awesome.

[Homer_Rice]

All that's missing is a figurine of Mikhail Bakunin taking a shit in the corner.

I crack myself up!

[Guest Coy Bacon]

[quote name='Ben' post='402136' date='Dec 6 2006, 02:10 PM']i know... I find it pretty funny that they desecrated a nativity scene to make their point. I dont think the son of god approves.

/sorry....in a mood today[/quote]


Don't be so sure that the Son of God approves of you trying to paper over the Saturnalia with the pagan version of his title while calling on a corrupted version of his name.

[Ben]

[quote name='Coy Bacon' post='402259' date='Dec 6 2006, 08:01 PM']Don't be so sure that the Son of God approves of you trying to paper over the Saturnalia with the pagan version of his title while calling on a corrupted version of his name.[/quote]

Well.... I never accepeted jesus christ as my personal savior and my girlfriend is buddhist. I dont think we are on very good terms anyway.

[Guest fredtoast]

[size=4]"Even some liberals got the humor in it and conceded certain positions the ACLU takes are out of touch with the mainstream of Americans," he said. [/size]

Well, duh, of course some of their positions are differ from the mainstream. They are interested in priotecting the minority view. Remember that at one time denying women the right to vote was mainstream, so were laws against interracial marraige. Christians need to realize that they don't own this country. Just because they are an overwhelming majority doesn't mean they have the right to make all the rules.

[Lawman]

[quote]fredtoast,
Christians need to realize that they don't own this country. Just because they are [b]an overwhelming majority [/b] doesn't mean they have the right to make all the rules.[/quote]

49% of me said ignore, but 51% said respond.

Damn that majority rule thang

[url="http://www.voncampe.com/defend_faith.html"]http://www.voncampe.com/defend_faith.html[/url]


Defending the Faith Extending Freedom
by Hilmar von Campe

Western civilization is under attack. This attack can be defined as an assault on the Christian values, which are the foundation upon which Western nations were built. These values are expressed in the 10 Commandments and in the teachings of Jesus Christ. The twelve apostles went out to comply with Jesus' final commission to "make disciples of all nations and baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Teach them to observe all I have commanded you."

Christian teachings, customs and practices are an inseparable part of Western history and culture. This historical fact is not affected by the millions of people leaving the churches today - many because their churches had discarded God's supreme right to total submission of all nations. Too many Christians have resigned and adjusted to living as Christians in a post-Christian society instead of fighting for God's will to be done on earth as is in Heaven. That means abolishing socialist and creating god-centered societies. For that purpose, I believe, America, today the lead nation of Western society, was created as a nation with freedom as a mission and a constitution as a political expression of Christian teachings, which alone make freedom possible.

Our laws and legal system are based on God's absolute moral standards, meaning, that before God, and therefore also before the law, all human beings are equal. Such a concept existed nowhere in the world before Jesus of Nazareth appeared, and it changed the world. That we are abandoning this concept while preaching it at the same time is one signal of the effectiveness of the attack on our values.

Defining human existence as part of eternity runs through nearly two thousand years of Western culture, be it in literature, music, painting, theatre or architecture. Christianity therefore consists not only of the religious faith expressed by Christians that through Jesus Christ we can find forgiveness of our sins and gain eternal life, but also of the legal, social, and political infrastructure of a Western nation, which resulted from Christian teachings and must be understood as translation of those teachings into man's social existence. One only has to look at the backward Islamic societies, where equality before God or before the law or the concept of loving your neighbor do not exist, in order to realize the result of the lack of those teachings: backwardness. They lack the wealth, which Western people have access to because of it. It can be pointed out that at the same time the European history is one of wars, arrogance, bigotry and intolerance. The pilgrims who came to the shores of America and started the process, which led to the formation of the United States of America, fled Europe because of the intolerance and abuse of power by government and church leaders. And that was no different a reason than the one which inspired Martin Luther to stand up to an established class of Roman Catholic church bureaucrats who wanted to control the population. All of this, however, can be understood as "in house" conflicts within our civilization, produced by people with limited knowledge of God and human nature. Disputed were the understanding of God, the interpretation of Christian teachings and the political application, but not God himself.

This changed with the French revolution and Jean Jacques Rousseau's thinking. His false concept of the natural goodness of human beings exposed to the corrupting influence of society constitutes a rejection of God because it is opposed to biblical truth and reality, which point out the individual responsibility and the fallen nature of man. It was the beginning of the insurrection of society against God, which led to the institutionalized abandonment of his moral order and the establishment of a global and political infrastructure, which is contrary to His order but capable of integrating toothless Christian religion.

Hegel explained all events in the world as part of the movements of the absolute world spirit eliminating therewith God as a historical force. Marx followed and declared history to be a series of class struggles defining the capitalist as class enemy and cause for all evil of society. This adulterer didn't know what evil is because he was blind to his own corrupt character. His medicine: the expropriation of property and the elimination of the enemy class. Since Marx's historical materialism and economic theories are based on hatred and the rejection of God, Marxism and Christianity are incompatible. Marxism can be defined as immorality, other people's money and unrestricted power for self. Marx's fantasy that man is good led to mass-killings, the intellectual victimization of whole sections of society and entire nations and to the wasteful spending of trillions of dollars to rectify injustice on the basis of materialism without contributing to the progress of humanity. Instead it made people and nations dependent on the provider of money. This philosophy has become a vehicle for the enrichment of the distributors of the wealth of others: the international establishment class.

When the Nazis captured Germany in 1933 the Institute of Social Research - founded 1924 in Frankfurt and modeled on the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow - moved to New York. With their ideologists Marcuse, Adorno and others it had a devastating impact on American society and especially on entire student generations.

Their and their pupils' objectives are identical to the goals of Lenin, Stalin and their successors: to eliminate God, destroy free society and establish a socialist-totalitarian system of government. World control by the socialist, capitalist and financial (!) elites began to replace the concept of the classless society. They expanded the traditional Marxist class-enemy list to encompass all civil and cultural institutions of Western society such as schools, universities, the family, the church, the media, the judiciary, Hollywood, private foundations, and others. Abandoning the Marxist/Leninist revolutionary concept of taking over government from outside, by force if necessary, they settled in favor of a new methodology: subverting and taking over the institutions from within, destroying the morals of the people, penetrating their minds and disconnecting them from their history, culture and traditions. The creation of the so-called multi-cultural societies is part of the scheme as well as the legalization of abortion and of all sorts of sexual perversions, which are being infiltrated into the nationalized education system. All of this is aimed at generating forces from within of Western society that will culminate in the destruction of the existing social order - the infrastructure based on Christian teachings.

We are facing a frontal attack on Christianity because Judeo/Christian moral absolutes are an obstacle for totalitarian rule. Those of us who lived through the Nazi years in Germany can attest to that. I very well remember the two Gestapo men standing in front of our church noting down the names of those who entered. In the Hitler Youth they ridiculed everything Christian. 'You can pray and sing hymns at home and in the church', we were told, 'but in society we, the national socialists, are in charge.' And now, 60 years later, I hear exactly the same here in America and find myself in the middle of the destruction of the Christian spirit and structures of Western society, which, if successful, will lead to an atheist world for our children and grandchildren. [b]The ACLU has taken over the praxis of the Nazi party.[/b]

In order to defend our faith and our freedom we have to understand the nature of the attack in the cultural-ideological war. The issue is power not morals. Morality is the battlefield. God is not only love and truth he is above all power - hence the reference to the 'almighty'. The war we are in is for control and power like any other war. Territorial gain, however, is not the objective but rather world control through taking over control of the existing institutions including governments. This definition holds the key to understanding the present state of American and Western society. The battle line goes through every nation. The United States, Germany, Chile and other nations are divided right down the middle - on the surface by political party but underneath by ideology.

What I say is not complicated. If atheist conspirators want to eliminate God in a nation in order to take over, the way to succeed is to launch false philosophies and implement laws, which destroy the connections of people to God's moral commandments and entice them to give in to their lusts and ambitions. Such people can be manipulated. The essence of the war now raging is: almighty God vs. almighty man, absolute moral standards vs. moral relativism, God's absolute truth vs. the lie.

The convenient assumption that religion and politics are two separate parts of society is absurd. It is wrong to lie for anybody including the politicians. This wrong and subversive concept originates, I believe, from the abuse of political power by the Catholic Church engaged in the day-to-day power play in earlier centuries. The church was a spiritual and a political power at the same time. In England the Church became an instrument of a godless king. In both cases people were dictated to what they should believe and punished if they didn't. [b]The American Founding Fathers wanted to prevent that anything similar could happen in America.[/b] Therefore it says in the first amendment 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, [b]or abridging the free exercise thereof[/b].' It puts a limitation on government not on Christians as has become the unconstitutional praxis.

Nobody including judges can define this honestly as "separation of church and state" which is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. I cannot understand how a whole nation of free people can accept such nonsense especially if on top of it the interpretation of a non-existent law is done in such a malicious way as has become the praxis in the United States. Contrary to the intentions of the founders of this nation, the real purpose underneath is not the separation of two institutions, which of course have no business to interfere with each other, but the separation of God and society. God is not the invention of religious people. He is reality, which was recognized by the founding fathers. To ignore this existential reality shows a lack of assessment. No government, no judge, no person can do his job adequately on the basis of such ignorance.

I believe that every Christian and patriot must be actively engaged in this cultural/ideological war. Those who are not are on the wrong side of the battle line. We have to renew ourselves and make Jesus' teachings the basis of a revolution to transform the world, spoil the purposes of the godless and restore God to his central place in our societies. That means injecting truth into all sections of society first here and then in all nations. To defend and spread freedom means to stand up and fight for truth.

The enemy of truth is the lie, the mother of evil. Evil has to be exposed, attacked, and uprooted with everything we have - like Dietrich Bonhoeffer did. He paid the same price as Jesus and St. Peter, St. Paul and so many others who walked in the footprints of Jesus. The battle for truth in the ideological-cultural war begins with the battle within oneself. It means no more lies. I started my battle by giving my life and career to God and then as part of a series of moral decisions decided never to lie again and make restitution for the harm Germany and I had done to others.

When I said at the beginning that morality is the battlefield I must now bring the focus to where morality originates: in human nature.

In her analysis of the character of Vladimir Putin, president of Russia and former KGB agent, Edith Kohn writes in the German newspaper Die Welt on March 25, 2000 "The decisive question for any agent is: 'what benefit can I get from a person?' …An agent sees every day how weak people can be; therefore he works hard on the depths of a human soul to be able to exploit that person. At the same time he has to hide his own murky depths, store them away deep down in his soul so that he cannot be blackmailed with them… The issue is state versus freedom. Putin has always given priority to the state and disregarded the freedom of the others. It is understandable, that such a person has to believe in a strong state, because he knows by experience, how weak a person can be."

This is a precise analysis about the origin of any totalitarian rule. American society, which is different from European societies, is supposed to hold the counter-position, not exploit others but care others, and was organized with her constitution on biblical truth to prevent abuse of power, guarantee human freedom and spread it across the globe. But the nation forgot God and cheats on the reality of human nature and on the spirit and letter of the constitution. Everything, justice, social order, war or peace, life or death boils down to the question of how to handle human nature.

St. Paul states in the seventh chapter of his letters to the Romans that his own behavior baffles him. "I find myself not doing what I really want to do but doing what I really loath … my conscious mind whole-heartedly endorses the Law, yet I observe an entirely different principle at work in my nature." The principle he refers to is the fact that human nature is opposed to God and His will - not necessarily as a consequence of a decision but as a result of the dictate of sinful lower nature with all its selfish desires. "Who on earth", he asks, "sets me free from the clutches of my own sinful nature? I thank God there is a way out through Jesus Christ our Lord.

"And that is it! There is no future for humanity outside Jesus Christ. Pontius Pilate asked him "who are you?" Jesus answered, "I am a messenger of truth". Every Christian needs to walk in the foot-prints of our Lord and be a messenger of truth by the way he lives, the purpose he has and the battle he puts up. God can only rule the world through people and leaders committed to His will who find new motives and a new character through Jesus Christ.

We cannot win this war by only defending our values. Attack is the best defense. Victory goes to those who have the better weapons and a superior strategy. There is no stronger weapon than truth. To make God's truth the basis of all human relationships must be the revolution of the 21rst century.

[i]Reread what was provided by Ben; you probably will not see things the same as I, but a hint:

The christian cross the ACLU claims it was defending, was actually a KKK cross.[/i]

[Ben]

[quote name='Lawman' post='403238' date='Dec 8 2006, 03:56 PM']49% of me said ignore, but 51% said respond.

Damn that majority rule thang

[url="http://www.voncampe.com/defend_faith.html"]http://www.voncampe.com/defend_faith.html[/url]
Defending the Faith Extending Freedom
by Hilmar von Campe

Western civilization is under attack. This attack can be defined as an assault on the Christian values, which are the foundation upon which Western nations were built. These values are expressed in the 10 Commandments and in the teachings of Jesus Christ. The twelve apostles went out to comply with Jesus' final commission to "make disciples of all nations and baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Teach them to observe all I have commanded you."

Christian teachings, customs and practices are an inseparable part of Western history and culture. This historical fact is not affected by the millions of people leaving the churches today - many because their churches had discarded God's supreme right to total submission of all nations. Too many Christians have resigned and adjusted to living as Christians in a post-Christian society instead of fighting for God's will to be done on earth as is in Heaven. That means abolishing socialist and creating god-centered societies. For that purpose, I believe, America, today the lead nation of Western society, was created as a nation with freedom as a mission and a constitution as a political expression of Christian teachings, which alone make freedom possible.

Our laws and legal system are based on God's absolute moral standards, meaning, that before God, and therefore also before the law, all human beings are equal. Such a concept existed nowhere in the world before Jesus of Nazareth appeared, and it changed the world. That we are abandoning this concept while preaching it at the same time is one signal of the effectiveness of the attack on our values.

Defining human existence as part of eternity runs through nearly two thousand years of Western culture, be it in literature, music, painting, theatre or architecture. Christianity therefore consists not only of the religious faith expressed by Christians that through Jesus Christ we can find forgiveness of our sins and gain eternal life, but also of the legal, social, and political infrastructure of a Western nation, which resulted from Christian teachings and must be understood as translation of those teachings into man's social existence. One only has to look at the backward Islamic societies, where equality before God or before the law or the concept of loving your neighbor do not exist, in order to realize the result of the lack of those teachings: backwardness. They lack the wealth, which Western people have access to because of it. It can be pointed out that at the same time the European history is one of wars, arrogance, bigotry and intolerance. The pilgrims who came to the shores of America and started the process, which led to the formation of the United States of America, fled Europe because of the intolerance and abuse of power by government and church leaders. And that was no different a reason than the one which inspired Martin Luther to stand up to an established class of Roman Catholic church bureaucrats who wanted to control the population. All of this, however, can be understood as "in house" conflicts within our civilization, produced by people with limited knowledge of God and human nature. Disputed were the understanding of God, the interpretation of Christian teachings and the political application, but not God himself.

This changed with the French revolution and Jean Jacques Rousseau's thinking. His false concept of the natural goodness of human beings exposed to the corrupting influence of society constitutes a rejection of God because it is opposed to biblical truth and reality, which point out the individual responsibility and the fallen nature of man. It was the beginning of the insurrection of society against God, which led to the institutionalized abandonment of his moral order and the establishment of a global and political infrastructure, which is contrary to His order but capable of integrating toothless Christian religion.

Hegel explained all events in the world as part of the movements of the absolute world spirit eliminating therewith God as a historical force. Marx followed and declared history to be a series of class struggles defining the capitalist as class enemy and cause for all evil of society. This adulterer didn't know what evil is because he was blind to his own corrupt character. His medicine: the expropriation of property and the elimination of the enemy class. Since Marx's historical materialism and economic theories are based on hatred and the rejection of God, Marxism and Christianity are incompatible. Marxism can be defined as immorality, other people's money and unrestricted power for self. Marx's fantasy that man is good led to mass-killings, the intellectual victimization of whole sections of society and entire nations and to the wasteful spending of trillions of dollars to rectify injustice on the basis of materialism without contributing to the progress of humanity. Instead it made people and nations dependent on the provider of money. This philosophy has become a vehicle for the enrichment of the distributors of the wealth of others: the international establishment class.

When the Nazis captured Germany in 1933 the Institute of Social Research - founded 1924 in Frankfurt and modeled on the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow - moved to New York. With their ideologists Marcuse, Adorno and others it had a devastating impact on American society and especially on entire student generations.

Their and their pupils' objectives are identical to the goals of Lenin, Stalin and their successors: to eliminate God, destroy free society and establish a socialist-totalitarian system of government. World control by the socialist, capitalist and financial (!) elites began to replace the concept of the classless society. They expanded the traditional Marxist class-enemy list to encompass all civil and cultural institutions of Western society such as schools, universities, the family, the church, the media, the judiciary, Hollywood, private foundations, and others. Abandoning the Marxist/Leninist revolutionary concept of taking over government from outside, by force if necessary, they settled in favor of a new methodology: subverting and taking over the institutions from within, destroying the morals of the people, penetrating their minds and disconnecting them from their history, culture and traditions. The creation of the so-called multi-cultural societies is part of the scheme as well as the legalization of abortion and of all sorts of sexual perversions, which are being infiltrated into the nationalized education system. All of this is aimed at generating forces from within of Western society that will culminate in the destruction of the existing social order - the infrastructure based on Christian teachings.

We are facing a frontal attack on Christianity because Judeo/Christian moral absolutes are an obstacle for totalitarian rule. Those of us who lived through the Nazi years in Germany can attest to that. I very well remember the two Gestapo men standing in front of our church noting down the names of those who entered. In the Hitler Youth they ridiculed everything Christian. 'You can pray and sing hymns at home and in the church', we were told, 'but in society we, the national socialists, are in charge.' And now, 60 years later, I hear exactly the same here in America and find myself in the middle of the destruction of the Christian spirit and structures of Western society, which, if successful, will lead to an atheist world for our children and grandchildren. [b]The ACLU has taken over the praxis of the Nazi party.[/b]

In order to defend our faith and our freedom we have to understand the nature of the attack in the cultural-ideological war. The issue is power not morals. Morality is the battlefield. God is not only love and truth he is above all power - hence the reference to the 'almighty'. The war we are in is for control and power like any other war. Territorial gain, however, is not the objective but rather world control through taking over control of the existing institutions including governments. This definition holds the key to understanding the present state of American and Western society. The battle line goes through every nation. The United States, Germany, Chile and other nations are divided right down the middle - on the surface by political party but underneath by ideology.

What I say is not complicated. If atheist conspirators want to eliminate God in a nation in order to take over, the way to succeed is to launch false philosophies and implement laws, which destroy the connections of people to God's moral commandments and entice them to give in to their lusts and ambitions. Such people can be manipulated. The essence of the war now raging is: almighty God vs. almighty man, absolute moral standards vs. moral relativism, God's absolute truth vs. the lie.

The convenient assumption that religion and politics are two separate parts of society is absurd. It is wrong to lie for anybody including the politicians. This wrong and subversive concept originates, I believe, from the abuse of political power by the Catholic Church engaged in the day-to-day power play in earlier centuries. The church was a spiritual and a political power at the same time. In England the Church became an instrument of a godless king. In both cases people were dictated to what they should believe and punished if they didn't. [b]The American Founding Fathers wanted to prevent that anything similar could happen in America.[/b] Therefore it says in the first amendment 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, [b]or abridging the free exercise thereof[/b].' It puts a limitation on government not on Christians as has become the unconstitutional praxis.

Nobody including judges can define this honestly as "separation of church and state" which is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. I cannot understand how a whole nation of free people can accept such nonsense especially if on top of it the interpretation of a non-existent law is done in such a malicious way as has become the praxis in the United States. Contrary to the intentions of the founders of this nation, the real purpose underneath is not the separation of two institutions, which of course have no business to interfere with each other, but the separation of God and society. God is not the invention of religious people. He is reality, which was recognized by the founding fathers. To ignore this existential reality shows a lack of assessment. No government, no judge, no person can do his job adequately on the basis of such ignorance.

I believe that every Christian and patriot must be actively engaged in this cultural/ideological war. Those who are not are on the wrong side of the battle line. We have to renew ourselves and make Jesus' teachings the basis of a revolution to transform the world, spoil the purposes of the godless and restore God to his central place in our societies. That means injecting truth into all sections of society first here and then in all nations. To defend and spread freedom means to stand up and fight for truth.

The enemy of truth is the lie, the mother of evil. Evil has to be exposed, attacked, and uprooted with everything we have - like Dietrich Bonhoeffer did. He paid the same price as Jesus and St. Peter, St. Paul and so many others who walked in the footprints of Jesus. The battle for truth in the ideological-cultural war begins with the battle within oneself. It means no more lies. I started my battle by giving my life and career to God and then as part of a series of moral decisions decided never to lie again and make restitution for the harm Germany and I had done to others.

When I said at the beginning that morality is the battlefield I must now bring the focus to where morality originates: in human nature.

In her analysis of the character of Vladimir Putin, president of Russia and former KGB agent, Edith Kohn writes in the German newspaper Die Welt on March 25, 2000 "The decisive question for any agent is: 'what benefit can I get from a person?' …An agent sees every day how weak people can be; therefore he works hard on the depths of a human soul to be able to exploit that person. At the same time he has to hide his own murky depths, store them away deep down in his soul so that he cannot be blackmailed with them… The issue is state versus freedom. Putin has always given priority to the state and disregarded the freedom of the others. It is understandable, that such a person has to believe in a strong state, because he knows by experience, how weak a person can be."

This is a precise analysis about the origin of any totalitarian rule. American society, which is different from European societies, is supposed to hold the counter-position, not exploit others but care others, and was organized with her constitution on biblical truth to prevent abuse of power, guarantee human freedom and spread it across the globe. But the nation forgot God and cheats on the reality of human nature and on the spirit and letter of the constitution. Everything, justice, social order, war or peace, life or death boils down to the question of how to handle human nature.

St. Paul states in the seventh chapter of his letters to the Romans that his own behavior baffles him. "I find myself not doing what I really want to do but doing what I really loath … my conscious mind whole-heartedly endorses the Law, yet I observe an entirely different principle at work in my nature." The principle he refers to is the fact that human nature is opposed to God and His will - not necessarily as a consequence of a decision but as a result of the dictate of sinful lower nature with all its selfish desires. "Who on earth", he asks, "sets me free from the clutches of my own sinful nature? I thank God there is a way out through Jesus Christ our Lord.

"And that is it! There is no future for humanity outside Jesus Christ. Pontius Pilate asked him "who are you?" Jesus answered, "I am a messenger of truth". Every Christian needs to walk in the foot-prints of our Lord and be a messenger of truth by the way he lives, the purpose he has and the battle he puts up. God can only rule the world through people and leaders committed to His will who find new motives and a new character through Jesus Christ.

We cannot win this war by only defending our values. Attack is the best defense. Victory goes to those who have the better weapons and a superior strategy. There is no stronger weapon than truth. To make God's truth the basis of all human relationships must be the revolution of the 21rst century.

[i]Reread what was provided by Ben; you probably will not see things the same as I, but a hint:

The christian cross the ACLU claims it was defending, was actually a KKK cross.[/i] [/quote]

Wow.. out of the 50 links you found one that deals w/ the KKK. Those fuckers!

I have to confess that i did some speed reading on that article, since it was so long. But i'm guessing this guy wrote this after going to walmart and seeing an Holiday Tree.

As soon as being christian is not an unofficial requirement to be elected president. You cannot choose what religion you participate in, you are barred from going to church, etc.... I'm guessing this guy thinks the pilgrams were uppity and should have just done what they were told in england.


Hell, this guy even equeates the ACLU to the nazis,GODWIN!!!. A group that will defend anyone, including people opposed to them.

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[quote name='Lawman' post='403238' date='Dec 8 2006, 03:56 PM']49% of me said ignore, but 51% said respond.

Damn that majority rule thang

[url="http://www.voncampe.com/defend_faith.html"]http://www.voncampe.com/defend_faith.html[/url]
Defending the Faith Extending Freedom
by Hilmar von Campe

Western civilization is under attack. This attack can be defined as an assault on the Christian values, which are the foundation upon which Western nations were built. These values are expressed in the 10 Commandments and in the teachings of Jesus Christ. The twelve apostles went out to comply with Jesus' final commission to "make disciples of all nations and baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Teach them to observe all I have commanded you."

Christian teachings, customs and practices are an inseparable part of Western history and culture. This historical fact is not affected by the millions of people leaving the churches today - many because their churches had discarded God's supreme right to total submission of all nations. Too many Christians have resigned and adjusted to living as Christians in a post-Christian society instead of fighting for God's will to be done on earth as is in Heaven. That means abolishing socialist and creating god-centered societies. For that purpose, I believe, America, today the lead nation of Western society, was created as a nation with freedom as a mission and a constitution as a political expression of Christian teachings, which alone make freedom possible.

Our laws and legal system are based on God's absolute moral standards, meaning, that before God, and therefore also before the law, all human beings are equal. Such a concept existed nowhere in the world before Jesus of Nazareth appeared, and it changed the world. That we are abandoning this concept while preaching it at the same time is one signal of the effectiveness of the attack on our values.

Defining human existence as part of eternity runs through nearly two thousand years of Western culture, be it in literature, music, painting, theatre or architecture. Christianity therefore consists not only of the religious faith expressed by Christians that through Jesus Christ we can find forgiveness of our sins and gain eternal life, but also of the legal, social, and political infrastructure of a Western nation, which resulted from Christian teachings and must be understood as translation of those teachings into man's social existence. One only has to look at the backward Islamic societies, where equality before God or before the law or the concept of loving your neighbor do not exist, in order to realize the result of the lack of those teachings: backwardness. They lack the wealth, which Western people have access to because of it. It can be pointed out that at the same time the European history is one of wars, arrogance, bigotry and intolerance. The pilgrims who came to the shores of America and started the process, which led to the formation of the United States of America, fled Europe because of the intolerance and abuse of power by government and church leaders. And that was no different a reason than the one which inspired Martin Luther to stand up to an established class of Roman Catholic church bureaucrats who wanted to control the population. All of this, however, can be understood as "in house" conflicts within our civilization, produced by people with limited knowledge of God and human nature. Disputed were the understanding of God, the interpretation of Christian teachings and the political application, but not God himself.

This changed with the French revolution and Jean Jacques Rousseau's thinking. His false concept of the natural goodness of human beings exposed to the corrupting influence of society constitutes a rejection of God because it is opposed to biblical truth and reality, which point out the individual responsibility and the fallen nature of man. It was the beginning of the insurrection of society against God, which led to the institutionalized abandonment of his moral order and the establishment of a global and political infrastructure, which is contrary to His order but capable of integrating toothless Christian religion.

Hegel explained all events in the world as part of the movements of the absolute world spirit eliminating therewith God as a historical force. Marx followed and declared history to be a series of class struggles defining the capitalist as class enemy and cause for all evil of society. This adulterer didn't know what evil is because he was blind to his own corrupt character. His medicine: the expropriation of property and the elimination of the enemy class. Since Marx's historical materialism and economic theories are based on hatred and the rejection of God, Marxism and Christianity are incompatible. Marxism can be defined as immorality, other people's money and unrestricted power for self. Marx's fantasy that man is good led to mass-killings, the intellectual victimization of whole sections of society and entire nations and to the wasteful spending of trillions of dollars to rectify injustice on the basis of materialism without contributing to the progress of humanity. Instead it made people and nations dependent on the provider of money. This philosophy has become a vehicle for the enrichment of the distributors of the wealth of others: the international establishment class.

When the Nazis captured Germany in 1933 the Institute of Social Research - founded 1924 in Frankfurt and modeled on the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow - moved to New York. With their ideologists Marcuse, Adorno and others it had a devastating impact on American society and especially on entire student generations.

Their and their pupils' objectives are identical to the goals of Lenin, Stalin and their successors: to eliminate God, destroy free society and establish a socialist-totalitarian system of government. World control by the socialist, capitalist and financial (!) elites began to replace the concept of the classless society. They expanded the traditional Marxist class-enemy list to encompass all civil and cultural institutions of Western society such as schools, universities, the family, the church, the media, the judiciary, Hollywood, private foundations, and others. Abandoning the Marxist/Leninist revolutionary concept of taking over government from outside, by force if necessary, they settled in favor of a new methodology: subverting and taking over the institutions from within, destroying the morals of the people, penetrating their minds and disconnecting them from their history, culture and traditions. The creation of the so-called multi-cultural societies is part of the scheme as well as the legalization of abortion and of all sorts of sexual perversions, which are being infiltrated into the nationalized education system. All of this is aimed at generating forces from within of Western society that will culminate in the destruction of the existing social order - the infrastructure based on Christian teachings.

We are facing a frontal attack on Christianity because Judeo/Christian moral absolutes are an obstacle for totalitarian rule. Those of us who lived through the Nazi years in Germany can attest to that. I very well remember the two Gestapo men standing in front of our church noting down the names of those who entered. In the Hitler Youth they ridiculed everything Christian. 'You can pray and sing hymns at home and in the church', we were told, 'but in society we, the national socialists, are in charge.' And now, 60 years later, I hear exactly the same here in America and find myself in the middle of the destruction of the Christian spirit and structures of Western society, which, if successful, will lead to an atheist world for our children and grandchildren. [b]The ACLU has taken over the praxis of the Nazi party.[/b]

In order to defend our faith and our freedom we have to understand the nature of the attack in the cultural-ideological war. The issue is power not morals. Morality is the battlefield. God is not only love and truth he is above all power - hence the reference to the 'almighty'. [b]The war we are in is for control and power like any other war. Territorial gain, however, is not the objective but rather world control through taking over control of the existing institutions including governments[/b]. This definition holds the key to understanding the present state of American and Western society. The battle line goes through every nation. The United States, Germany, Chile and other nations are divided right down the middle - on the surface by political party but underneath by ideology.

What I say is not complicated. If atheist conspirators want to eliminate God in a nation in order to take over, the way to succeed is to launch false philosophies and implement laws, which destroy the connections of people to God's moral commandments and entice them to give in to their lusts and ambitions. Such people can be manipulated. The essence of the war now raging is: almighty God vs. almighty man, absolute moral standards vs. moral relativism, God's absolute truth vs. the lie.

The convenient assumption that religion and politics are two separate parts of society is absurd. It is wrong to lie for anybody including the politicians. This wrong and subversive concept originates, I believe, from the abuse of political power by the Catholic Church engaged in the day-to-day power play in earlier centuries. [b]The church was a spiritual and a political power at the same time.[/b] In England the Church became an instrument of a godless king. In both cases people were dictated to what they should believe and punished if they didn't. The American Founding Fathers wanted to prevent that anything similar could happen in America. Therefore it says in the first amendment 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or abridging the free exercise thereof.' It puts a limitation on government not on Christians as has become the unconstitutional praxis.

Nobody including judges can define this honestly as "separation of church and state" which is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. I cannot understand how a whole nation of free people can accept such nonsense especially if on top of it the interpretation of a non-existent law is done in such a malicious way as has become the praxis in the United States. Contrary to the intentions of the founders of this nation, the real purpose underneath is not the separation of two institutions, which of course have no business to interfere with each other, but the separation of God and society. God is not the invention of religious people. He is reality, which was recognized by the founding fathers. To ignore this existential reality shows a lack of assessment. No government, no judge, no person can do his job adequately on the basis of such ignorance.

I believe that every Christian and patriot must be actively engaged in this cultural/ideological war. Those who are not are on the wrong side of the battle line. [b]We have to renew ourselves and make Jesus' teachings the basis of a revolution to transform the world[/b], spoil the purposes of the godless and restore God to his central place in our societies. [b]That means injecting truth into all sections of society first here and then in all nations.[/b] To defend and spread freedom means to stand up and fight for truth.

The enemy of truth is the lie, the mother of evil. Evil has to be exposed, attacked, and uprooted with everything we have - like Dietrich Bonhoeffer did. He paid the same price as Jesus and St. Peter, St. Paul and so many others who walked in the footprints of Jesus. The battle for truth in the ideological-cultural war begins with the battle within oneself. It means no more lies. I started my battle by giving my life and career to God and then as part of a series of moral decisions [b]decided never to lie again [/b] and make restitution for the harm Germany and I had done to others.

When I said at the beginning that morality is the battlefield I must now bring the focus to where morality originates: in human nature.

In her analysis of the character of Vladimir Putin, president of Russia and former KGB agent, Edith Kohn writes in the German newspaper Die Welt on March 25, 2000 "The decisive question for any agent is: 'what benefit can I get from a person?' …An agent sees every day how weak people can be; therefore he works hard on the depths of a human soul to be able to exploit that person. At the same time he has to hide his own murky depths, store them away deep down in his soul so that he cannot be blackmailed with them… The issue is state versus freedom. Putin has always given priority to the state and disregarded the freedom of the others. It is understandable, that such a person has to believe in a strong state, because he knows by experience, how weak a person can be."

This is a precise analysis about the origin of any totalitarian rule. American society, which is different from European societies, is supposed to hold the counter-position, not exploit others but care others, and was organized with her constitution on biblical truth to prevent abuse of power, guarantee human freedom and spread it across the globe. But the nation forgot God and cheats on the reality of human nature and on the spirit and letter of the constitution. Everything, justice, social order, war or peace, life or death boils down to the question of how to handle human nature.

St. Paul states in the seventh chapter of his letters to the Romans that his own behavior baffles him. "I find myself not doing what I really want to do but doing what I really loath … my conscious mind whole-heartedly endorses the Law, yet I observe an entirely different principle at work in my nature." The principle he refers to is the fact that human nature is opposed to God and His will - not necessarily as a consequence of a decision but as a result of the dictate of sinful lower nature with all its selfish desires. "Who on earth", he asks, "sets me free from the clutches of my own sinful nature? I thank God there is a way out through Jesus Christ our Lord.

"And that is it! There is no future for humanity outside Jesus Christ. Pontius Pilate asked him "who are you?" Jesus answered, "I am a messenger of truth". Every Christian needs to walk in the foot-prints of our Lord and be a messenger of truth by the way he lives, the purpose he has and the battle he puts up. [b]God can only rule the world through people and leaders committed to His will [/b] who find new motives and a new character through Jesus Christ.

We cannot win this war by only defending our values. Attack is the best defense. Victory goes to those who have the better weapons and a superior strategy. There is no stronger weapon than truth. To make God's truth the basis of all human relationships must be the revolution of the 21rst century.

[i]Reread what was provided by Ben; you probably will not see things the same as I, but a hint:

The christian cross the ACLU claims it was defending, was actually a KKK cross.[/i] [/quote]


This is Dominionist tripe - antichrist even. The big problem is conflating temporal rule with eternal rule and Western Civilization with the Kingdom of Heaven. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, and the question with this guy is whether he's lied about never lying again, or is merely a fool.

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