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[i]I hope nothing like this happened; I am pretty sure it wouldn't in DC.

This is in Portland Oregon on Monday, the 19th.[/i]

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[quote name='Lawman' post='460188' date='Mar 21 2007, 08:08 PM']The Marine Band in those Bad Ass red-unis are closer to the photographer than the memorial so what you see is what we call a "dwindling perspective"; image in front appears larger than actually is..

Now, imagine if you can if one would be standing next to it and realize how big that thing is.[/quote]

the thing is huge. this picture gives a better perpsective.

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[quote name='Lawman' post='460203' date='Mar 21 2007, 08:27 PM'][i]I hope nothing like this happened; I am pretty sure it wouldn't in DC.


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I don't agree with myself, but i don't mind people protesting bush and the war. But to walk around with a fuck the troops sign and pretending to burn a soldier is bullshit. Those guys are just doing there job and deserve respect from there fellow americans.

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[quote name='whodey24k' post='460208' date='Mar 21 2007, 08:38 PM']I don't agree with myself, but i don't mind people protesting bush and the war. But to walk around with a fuck the troops sign and pretending to burn a soldier is bullshit. Those guys are just doing there job and deserve respect from there fellow americans.[/quote]

[i]Notice the masks, very brave individuals indeed.[/i]

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[quote name='Lawman' post='460203' date='Mar 21 2007, 08:27 PM']I hope nothing like this happened; I am pretty sure it wouldn't in DC.[/quote]


[size=3][b]There was no flag desecration at the DC protest.[/size]

Also the Police would not have allowed it I believe based off of the fact that the danger would be a hazard --- and because of the fact that the march started off facing "Eagle bikers" and such an act I am sure would have caused a brawl which would have gotten out of hand.


Also you have to remember ... these are what looks like teenage kids claiming to be anarchists. :rolleyes:

Now yes Burning the flag is legal ... and yes saying "Fuck the troops" is legal. Still I think it is an idiotic act which does not accomplish anything --- but pissing off most people and not winning over anyone.

[color="#0000FF"]= I would argue washing a flag is a better more symbolic way to protest U.S. Actions --- symbolically washing the blood off of it. [/color]


Also ...

I would argue one of the reasons that the U.S. is better than say China ... is because we are allowed to say that we hate our soldiers and President. [/b]

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[quote name='Lawman' post='460224' date='Mar 21 2007, 09:12 PM']I can't make this stuff up!!![/quote]

[b]- What site are you taking these off of ?

- What does some teenage punks with dumbass signs --- have to do with my trip to DC or the city of D.C. or the fact that Jamie can't spell Iwo Jima ? [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/39.gif[/img]



[i]
* If you would like hell make a whole thread of retarded protest signs by anarchist kids .... but I don't see the relevance to this thread. [/b][/i]
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I think that it's great that you went and participated BJ. Not that I completely agree with your stance as you well know, but nonetheless, expressing your beliefs en masse with like-minded people at the foot of our government is the essence of freedom of speech and what our democracy is supposed to be about, and I'm sure you're glad you went.
Next time you go, though, you should visit the Unknown Soldier Tomb and observe the rituals involved with it. It is equal parts cool military drill and ceremony, serious business and solemnity for the dead of our wars.
Just standing there and knowing that there are unidentified remains of soldiers from every war in that crypt is eerie and awe-inspiring in a patriotic way.
I remember the second time I visited that Tomb, there was about to be the changing of the guard and the incoming soldier informed the crowd of what was about to happen, and to be quiet, extinguish all smoking materials, etc so as not to desecrate the honor of the Tomb, and there was this lady a couple of bleacher rows down from me that was yakking it up and smoking a cigarette, and the soldier, as he turned away, noticed that she had ignored his requests, turned back towards her, and like a drill sergeant was like "MA'AM!!! I ASKED you to extinguish ALL SMOKING MATERIALS!!!"
She was so embarrased, as she should have been.
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[quote]Blackjesus
There was also a small contingent of Pro War protestors (The Eagles or something) on the one side of the street where we started I would be generous and put their numbers at around 300. This group was actually my favorite part of the protest as they were so vile in their responses to the people on my side of the street --- (Most peace protesters gave them the peace sign and said "We still love you" ... while most of them screamed "Die traitors"). Also they were almost entirely 95 % white middle aged males with 1 or 2 black guys … and a few kids and women sprinkled in. Most were in biker jackets and looked like Hells Angels.[/quote]


[i]This was whom I spoke of in my first response of the original thread mentioning the protest march.[/i]
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[i]The[/i] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSWER"]A.N.S.W.E.R.[/url] [i]communist (front group for [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_World_Party"]Workers World Party)[/url] [i]originally had planned to start the [/i][u]peace[/u] ([i]such irony considering whoms ideology killed more than 100 million people in the last century[/i])[i]march near the Vietnam Memorial, however when word leaked out the [/i][url="http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/"]"Gathering of Eagles"[/url] [i]was formed.[/i]

[i]The sole purpose of this group was to protect Vietnam War Memorial from defacing, unlike what happened in
January when the local police were unable (unwilling) to.[/i]
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[quote name='BlackJesus' post='460229' date='Mar 21 2007, 09:22 PM'][b]- What site are you taking these off of ?

- What does some teenage punks with dumbass signs --- have to do with my trip to DC or the city of D.C. or the fact that [color="#0000FF"]Jamie can't spell Iwo Jima ?[/color] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//39.gif[/img]
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* If you would like hell make a whole thread of retarded protest signs by anarchist kids .... but I don't see the relevance to this thread. [/b][/i][/quote]


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[url="http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=225"]http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=225[/url]

[b]Iraq War unique in its sustained pushback against warmed-over Vietnam-styled protesters [/b]

[color="#000080"]By Catherine Moy

Days after a historic gathering of patriots in Washington D.C., some in the old-line media - the tyrannosaurus press - are finally telling part of the story about the clash between the anti-American, anti-war protestors and their counterparts: American patriots. Like a good western movie, the good guys won.[/color]

[quote]Blackjesus,
I would estimate that there was between 30- 40,000 people at the Anti War Protest. I know the media said 15-30 … but I am telling you there had to be more.[/quote]

[i]There is a reason there appered to be more; hint below.[/i]

[color="#000080"]But most coverage still misses the bigger story of Saturday’s anti-war temper tantrum and the push back from veterans, troops, and Americans who arrived from as far away as Hawaii. The Gathering of Eagles, the name given to the [size=6]30,000-strong crowd [/size]of pro-troop supporters on Saturday, was the largest showing of red-blooded patriots during this war. Thousands have carried the torch since March 19, 2003, the first days of the war in Iraq.[/color]

[color="#000080"]This war is unique in its sturdy crew of Americans who won’t let the left overpower the debate via its anti-American antics, cruel anti-troop words, and even attacks on our American GIs. Every American war including the Revolutionary War has suffered its protesters, most famously during Vietnam when actress and leftist activist Jane Fonda led the pacifists and the appeasers with her anti-American behavior that earned her the name “Hanoi Jane.”[/color]

[color="#000080"]During the Civil War, anti-war protesters called the Peace Democrats, or Copperheads, challenged President Abraham Lincoln’s presidency in a manner not unfamiliar to the present day attacks on President Bush, who has been steadfast in protecting the United States from its enemies. During the Civil War, as casualties mounted and the Confederacy won battles, protests increased. Today’s anti-war protesters also use body counts, fake cemeteries, and twisted statistics to taint the debate.[/color]

[i]Now you know what Lincoln would think!!![/i]

[color="#000080"]The Iraq War is the first war in which Americans have consistently countered anti-war rhetoric and actions. The Gulf War was over so quickly that neither anti-war protesters nor troop supporters got a strong toehold.[/color]

[color="#000080"]The new media and talk radio have changed the debate. The Gathering of Eagles was so successful because thousands of people went to the Web for information. The lefties failed miserably on Saturday. Jane Fonda was a no-show after claiming she would no longer remain quiet on this war. The “global warming” was apparently too much for her and the thousands of others who stayed home as their critics showed up in staggering numbers. The patriots just stacked on layers of clothes to protect against the bitter cold[/color].

[i]Those anarchist you speak of:[/i]

[color="#000080"][b]Coverage on Saturday and Sunday barely mentioned the patriots who descended on D.C. to protect our monuments for fallen soldiers. Some anti-war protesters promised to bring spray paint and desecrate the memorials. Anti-war protesters had already spray painted the Capitol steps in another one of their extreme displays of misery and self-hatred. But thousands of pro-troops folks made sure the memorials were protected.[/b][/color]


[color="#000080"]Sadly, some leftists felt safe enough in their gaggle of goons to burn the American Flag. Human Events reporter Jack Langer saw one instance and reported on it. And these people say they’re patriots? They need to use their Webster’s dictionary and look up the meaning. If they look under the “D’s” in the same dictionary, they might recognize their descriptions under “deviants.”[/color]

[color="#000080"]Thousands of patriots held Old Glory and encircled the war memorials, standing between the deviants and the symbols of our nation’s pride in our fallen warriors. Move America Forward, led by chairman Melanie Morgan, started a caravan in San Francisco that collected about 15,000 flags for the flag city. The American flags flew proudly in the hands of patriots and signaled an end to the leftist lies that “most” Americans don’t support our troops and their mission. MAF will send the flags to our warriors serving overseas.[/color]

[color="#000080"]And on Monday, the fourth anniversary of the war in Iraq, at least one media outlet’s tune changed. FOX news - whose early coverage was disappointedly focused on the anti-war, pro-vegan, pro-socialist, pro-abortion marchers - reported that the pro-troop crowd outnumbered the antiwar group 3 to 1.

“The media have a template that the American people have turned against the war . . . and that’s wrong,” Kristinn Taylor, spokesman for the Gathering of Eagles, told FOX news.

I have worked with the mainstream media for almost 20 years and they do have biases and templates that lean to the left. It had traditionally been difficult to break through their stranglehold on information, but the Web and talk radio have changed that. Michelle Malkin, Move America Forward and others reported straight from the ground and posted video and pictures at their sites showing something very different than what appeared in the press. Malkin and others report that the Gathering of Eagles had a showing of 30,000, according to an unofficial count by the Park Service.

Antiwar groups argue that they had a huge turnout. But even the mainstream media, which align themselves with the leftwing, report that Cindy Sheehan’s groupies didn’t come close to their 100,000-dream number. What is clear from the signs and noise they were making, the anti-war crowd was clearly more vulgar and hateful.

While groups can argue indefinitely about numbers, what is clear about Saturday’s events is that Sheehan and others have “misunderestimated” American patriotism- as President Bush might say. The bigger story is that history has never given the sustained pushback against anti-war forces that is roaring now.

Men and women on Harleys, young and older veterans, ladies and gentlemen put the left on notice: You may scream louder, but patriots have more soul. The Gathering of Eagles will not sit down until our troops win in Iraq and come home to our open arms.[/color]
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[quote name='BlackJesus' post='460229' date='Mar 21 2007, 07:22 PM'][b]- What site are you taking these off of ?

- or the fact that Jamie can't spell Iwo Jima ? [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//39.gif[/img]
[i] [/b][/i][/quote]
Or realize that it's two seperate words....
:pointlaff:
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[quote name='Lawman' post='460256' date='Mar 21 2007, 09:59 PM']The Gathering of Eagles, the name given to the [size=6]30,000-strong crowd [/size]of pro-troop supporters on Saturday,[/quote]


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:HAPPY DESTROY:

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[size=4]With all due respect Lawman this is the height of FUCKING INSANITY !!![/size] I was there ... and I saw with my own two eyes .... their group did not exceed at tops 350 people !!!! I have no reason to lie about this .... hell if there was 30,000 I would admit it. But the 30,000 of the Anti War march stretched for 2 1/2 miles .... this Eagle group fit into a small curb side for the first .1 of the march. And they were at most 5 deep in most spots. Also none of them were at the monuments ... because I personally went to each one !!!


Hell even Faux News I think put their numbers in the hundreds ... not 30,000 .... which is bat shit insanity that gives me chills up my spine --- knowing that one group can spread such a lie --- and that others believe it. [/b]

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[b]Everyone should take anything that this insane fucking group of Eagle douchebags says with a grain of salt ...

I looked eye to eye with these vile pieces of shit .... who flipped us off .... said we should be hung .... Hell I watched them rip up a girls protest sign when she wondered over near them. They were pieces of shit ... who looked like the prison let out the Hells angels ....

and they obviously are insane and can't be trusted for even basic facts = if they are claiming that their small group of 300 max ... was 30,000. [/b]
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[color="#000080"]This Vietnam vet worked for one of the firms in the World Trade Center and lost dozens of friends in the attack.[/color]

[i]I didn't see him on TV.[/i]

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[color="#000080"]Many of the protestors walking down the sidewalk of Constitution Avenue had to pass the Gathering of Eagles rally and the many veterans gathered there. The vets thoughtfully cleared the sidewalk to form a channel to guide the protestors to their rally. A gauntlet, some called it. They also offered up some random thoughts for the protestors to chew on.[/color]

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[color="#000080"]Bozo Boy didn't much care for the gauntlet. Nobody really insulted him, because they were too busy laughing and didn't catch their breath until he was past. He seemed kinda miffed that those right-wing nuts didn't respect the fact that he was making a serious statement. It's hard to parody the protestors when they are so busy beclowning themselves. Most of the goofballs who flit to these protests just aren't serious. For them, a protest is their Mardi Gras. The counter-protestors took the fun out of it, which is the main reason why they go.[/color]

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[color="#000080"]The Gathering of Eagles area was a festival of American flags, which acted like wolfsbane to keep the lefties away.[/color]
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[b]Lawman .... please tell me that you don't believe these dickbags.

If you do then this is some scary shit ... and it makes me weep internally for the future of the country ---- where apparently a small group of vile bikers numbering maybe 300 ... can then lie and say 30,000 and then the idiot echo chamber picks it up and before you know it ---- they outnumbered the contingent that shut down 3 miles of road way while they had a spot the size of a football sideline.

Where the fuck do you think these 30,000 Pro War people were ???? In the bushes ? Up in the trees ? :contract: Show me one photo of them in mass ?

If this shit didn't give me chills at how big of a lie it was ... it would be hilarious. :rolleyes: [/b]

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[quote name='Lawman' post='460270' date='Mar 21 2007, 10:11 PM'][img]http://bp3.blogger.com/_EoaekWnLvZc/Rf2pZWQTlDI/AAAAAAAAAMU/6nH44a1a1b4/s320/20070317_MarchOnPentagon_%20061-edited.jpg[/img][/quote]


[color="#008000"][b]I remember seeing about 30 of them max ... standing on one side of the sidewalk when you approached the massive field housing thousands and thousands of Anti War protestors. I walked right past them ... and they said something like "take your mask off if you're so tough" .... that was it. They obviously did not get the reference to V for Vendetta.


This is truly hilarious .... but what can you expect from the greet us as liberators tard troop ...

Hey in that case there were 123,657,983 Anti War Protestors at the march .... look I have a small pic of a few flags to prove it :crazy: [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [/b][/color]

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I am a patriotic American, and I understand what I believe to be mistakes with the way this war has been waged, but I still underscore the reasoning behind it, as there is NO PROOF that anyone lied about the WHY we went to war, it's more the way it's DEVOLVED that I have taken issue with. Plus the whole 9/11 thing cast a HUGE shadow over how we conduct our military business, as it should have (to a degree).
Now, if anyone wants to protest for ANY REASON, that is their right, and Lawman, I don't see how your posts belittling the protestors do anything to reinforce that idea, rather, they insinuate that the only "true" patriots were the ones waving American flags and shouting unflattering epithets towards the protestors, whom had every right to be there (even if I disagree with their assessment of the current state of things, and why they happened or where they might lead).
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I would be interested as well in seeing some pics of these guys that are expanded to show their numbers. I say this because when my friend had a band and I was their webmaster, whenever they had a show that didnt bring in as big a crowd as they would of liked I used a trick of zooming it in to make the crowd look bigger than it it was.

Kind of like this...

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[quote name='Jamie_B' post='460275' date='Mar 21 2007, 10:20 PM']I would be interested as well in seeing some pics of these guys that are expanded to show their numbers. I say this because when my friend had a band and I was their webmaster, whenever they had a show that didnt bring in as big a crowd as they would of liked I used a trick of zooming it in to make the crowd look bigger than it it was.

Kind of like this...

[img]http://bp3.blogger.com/_EoaekWnLvZc/Rf2pZWQTlDI/AAAAAAAAAMU/6nH44a1a1b4/s320/20070317_MarchOnPentagon_%20061-edited.jpg[/img][/quote]


[b]Jamie ... this image is of the small sidewalk near the large field that housed thousands of anti war protestors. There was a small fence around the field and the anti war crowd of about 30 stood on the outside of the fence as we entered the entrance to the field. That was it .... there is no crowd of the eagle douches. [/b]
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[quote name='Bunghole' post='460273' date='Mar 22 2007, 02:18 AM']I am a patriotic American, and I understand what I believe to be mistakes with the way this war has been waged, but I still underscore the reasoning behind it, as there is NO PROOF that anyone lied about the WHY we went to war, it's more the way it's DEVOLVED that I have taken issue with. Plus the whole 9/11 thing cast a HUGE shadow over how we conduct our military business, as it should have (to a degree).
Now, if anyone wants to protest for ANY REASON, that is their right, and Lawman, I don't see how your posts belittling the protestors do anything to reinforce that idea, rather, they insinuate that the only "true" patriots were the ones waving American flags and shouting unflattering epithets towards the protestors, whom had every right to be there (even if I disagree with their assessment of the current state of things, and why they happened or where they might lead).[/quote]
This is why I enjoy your posts in this forum, Bung. I know the family background, but you still always manage to remain even-tempered to the other POV. Remind me to buy you a beer when I am next back home....
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