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[quote name='Jamie_B' post='460683' date='Mar 22 2007, 03:53 PM'][url="http://video1.cathedral.org/wmv/PeaceService070316.wmv"]Video of the Service the night before.[/url][/quote]


[b]They are secretly communists [/b] :whistle:




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[center][b]Video put together by the Gathering of Eagles about March 17th ...





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Funny how small 30,000 looks ... and how they never show the audience ... and instead show about 20 flags. [/b][/center]
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[b][color="#FF0000"]I am sure Lawman will claim the NyTimes is in on the Commie Cover up [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//37.gif[/img] [/center][/color][/b]





[quote]As they gathered before the march, the protesters met what several veterans of the antiwar movement described as an unusually large contingent of [b][u]several [size=4]hundred[/size] counterdemonstrators.[/u] [/b]Many were veterans in [b]biker jackets[/b] who said they had come to protect the nearby Vietnam Memorial, [b][u]citing rumors[/u][/b] that had circulated among veterans groups that the demonstrators planned to deface it.

Crossing the bridge toward the Pentagon, the marchers met another group of [b][u]about [size=4]50[/size] counterdemonstrators[/u][/b] by the Arlington Cemetery, one holding a sign that said: [b]“Go to hell traitors.[/b] You dishonor our dead on hallowed ground.”[/quote]



[url="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/18/us/18protest.html?_r=2&ref=washington&oref=slogin&oref=slogin"]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/18/us/18pro...amp;oref=slogin[/url]

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[color="#4169E1"][size=4][b]From the same NY Times article .... [url="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/18/us/18protest.html?_r=2&ref=washington&oref=slogin&oref=slogin"]LINK[/url][/b][/size][/color]


[quote]Many in the crowd said they were [u]unfamiliar with the Answer Coalition[/u] and [u]puzzled by the many signs about socialism.[/u] Several said they had come from across the country for a chance to voice their dismay at the war.[/quote]


[color="#008080"][b]
= Exactly what I was saying .... people came to the protest because of displeasure about the war ... sure there were some socialist, communists etc there ... but the majority were pissed off Americans that had nothing to do with them.

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[color="#2F4F4F"][size=5][b]Aha !!! [/size]


Finally ... found some [color="#A0522D"]video of the Pro War contingent[/color] on the curbside that I was talking about. As you will see they are about [u]5 deep [/u] ... and on the curb. We were on the Camera side ... and had to walk past them for the 2 and half mile walk across the river to the Pentagon. [u]This group on the side went for about .1 of a mile[/u] ... and was the entire Pro War group that was there .... and thus numbered about 300 as you can see from their size ... [/b][/color]



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[center][color="#A0522D"][size=4][i]"Competition, free enterprise, and an open market were never meant to be symbolic fig leaves for corporate socialism and monopolistic capitalism." [/i][/size]


[size=2][b]~ Ralph Nader[/b][/size][/color][/center]
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[quote name='BlackJesus' post='460811' date='Mar 22 2007, 05:59 PM'][color="#2F4F4F"][size=5][b]Aha !!! [/size]
Finally ... found some [color="#A0522D"]video of the Pro War contingent[/color] on the curbside that I was talking about. As you will see they are about [u]5 deep [/u] ... and on the curb. We were on the Camera side ... and had to walk past them for the 2 and half mile walk across the river to the Pentagon. [u]This group on the side went for about .1 of a mile[/u] ... and was the entire Pro War group that was there .... and thus numbered about 300 as you can see from their size ... [/b][/color]
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Why you did not see them is because this was suppose to be your starting point.

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When the organizers came upon the Eagles, who were already out there ahead of your crowd, the venue was moved.

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[quote]BJ,
There was no flag desecration at the DC protest.[/quote]

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[color="#000080"]He walked around showing off the torn flag, his trophy, to his commie pals. I asked him why he tore that flag in half. "It's IMPERIALISM!" he shouted. That's your interpretation. What about her free speech? "It's HATE speech. It supports imperialism," growled the commie. That's your opinion, says I. What about free speech? "She shouldn't BE here!" yelled the commie, making haste to escape me into the crowd.[/color]

[color="#000080"]Flying the flag is hate speech to the commies. That is a core value of our political opposition. They are not against the war. They are against America and all it stands for. While our democracy grants them freedom of speech, in their world freedom of speech belongs only to them and any dissent is swiftly crushed.[/color]
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[quote name='Lawman' post='461083' date='Mar 23 2007, 06:02 AM'][img]http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/06/260_911-7.jpg[/img]

[img]http://blog.oneamericacommittee.com/images/user/4752/bush_flag_desecration.jpg[/img][/quote]


[b]good point [/b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/37.gif[/img]
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[quote name='Lawman' post='461080' date='Mar 23 2007, 05:53 AM']Why you did not see them is because this was suppose to be your starting point.

[img]http://bp3.blogger.com/_EoaekWnLvZc/Rf2UcWQTk8I/AAAAAAAAALc/VhB3EXqW4hc/s320/20070317_MarchOnPentagon_%20022-edited.jpg[/img]


When the organizers came upon the Eagles, who were already out there ahead of your crowd, the venue was moved.[/quote]


[b]The plan (as was written on the flyers months in advance) was always to meet at gathering at 23rd St. and Constitution Ave. NW at 12 noon (not inside the Vietnam Memorial).

Also 30,000 anti war protestors or Eagle douches will not fit into your little picture there by the wall .... :crazy:

so let me get this straight ... now you are saying 30,000 Eagle guys were at the wall ... and instaed of the march ? :crazy:


I am amazed at the pretzels you twist your mind into --- in order to justify the shit you believe. [/b]

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[b]Oh yeah Lawman ... I am still waiting for any kind of image showing at least a few hundred Eagles in Mass ....

hell if there were 30,000 ... then this shouldn't be that hard. [/b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img]
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[color="#FF0000"][b]it seems that political rapper Immortal Technique was barred entry to perform. [/b][/color]



[size=4][u][quote][img]http://www.pephost.org/images/content/pagebuilder/55279.jpg[/img]
[b]Message from Immortal Technique[/b]
... on being denied entrance to the March on the Pentagon[/u][/size]




"First and foremost I would like to congratulate the organizers of ANSWER and in specific Brian, Amelia, Peta, and Sarah and the many others who reached out to me and who I saw make a powerful statement today. I am not a big fan of marches and rallies because I have always believed that the system must be attacked economically above all. But, if coordinated well, they can effect change and remind people that [b]this war is still costing lives and no matter who the father of Anna Nicole's Baby is or who wins the next season of American Idol[/b] or what new song is on the radio, people are dying, both from this country and in massive numbers in the Iraqi Civil War. March 17th, even with all the problems we faced, was a success in [b]reminding people of the insurmountable evidence of corruption, self righteous moral depravity, and dishonesty present within our government[/b] ... Because we have issue with the administration we should not be painted as people who despise their country. If I am not pleased with a book I read or a movie I watch that doesn't mean I hate the concept of film in general or that I take issue with printed literature on a whole. The administration presently tries to attach itself to the idea of America as if they were the far right standard by which all should be judged by as Americans. [b]This White House after all just concerns itself with the well being of its stock holders, make-shift praetorian guard of politicians and political contributors.[/b]

"The ANSWER coalition and others have been working to separate these two so people can see the [b]Bush Regime as that which uses America like a whore and claims to love her.[/b]

"As most of you know the storms in and around the New York and NJ area prevented travel back home on the 16th. So in order to try and make the Pentagon on March 17th since my flight out of Atlanta was canceled [b]I flew into Greensboro and drove through[/b] the radio span of about 54 Christian Radio, Top 40 and Country Music stations. There were some songs like this one right here that I had to listen to all the way through even though they were lyrically abhorrent. I guess it was just like people who slow down on the highway to watch a terrible car accident. Musical Rubbernecking is what I called it, to bear witness to just about the most ridiculous piece of musical propaganda that isn't based on any facts but rather someone’s uninformed and uncultured back road view of America and what we are fighting over. I only heard the song but now that I've seen the video, it really makes me wonder how anyone from the right wing can accuse the resistance of using music or religion to promote their political agenda. It also makes me wonder what the future generations of this nation will be like.

"At any rate after my arrival in DC late on the 16th I woke up and [b]got ready to check out and go to the Pentagon when everywhere began to shut down.[/b] I went over the key bridge and parked in the South Parking of the Pentagon when I was abruptly told by Pentagon Police that I needed to get to the North Side. After some directional confusion and them closing 27 to prevent me from going in there, Sarah Sloan tirelessly guided me back through the maze of area highways. I was entering the North Parking at which point 2 Pentagon police motorcycles rolled up and sent me back, then after circling and trying again I was at the point where the entry was for all the buses entering.

[b]There 4 police cars detained me and asked me who I was and what my relationship was to the event.[/b] When I told them why I was there they immediately demanded that I leave. They claimed that other officers must not know that this section was closed. And I thought about how difficulty in communication across the parking lot was a blatant farce. One said I should park my car in one of the local parking lots and then try the underpass and walk in, which I did but by that time it was 3:30 and as I parked my car and walked in again there was a police presence there that was sending not just myself but everyone else back.

"They said they had to arrest people for walking in the wrong areas and for not respecting the boundaries and were basically just [b]trying to dissuade anyone from the street who had seen the march from a distance from joining it.[/b] Several local residents were there with me and were told to leave as well. I took a bus towards Arlington and then they shut that passage down too. I say all this not to complain because I expected as much but to point out that we should expect this and if this is going to be done again we should have back up plans, people on the perimeter other ideas I’m thinking of discussing with ANSWER personally etc… Less than a football field away I was blocked, followed out, cornered by cop cars, surrounded twice and turned back several times. [b]It was an attempt to discourage myself and others, to make it as difficult as legally and illegally possible during that period of time to get in.[/b] I didn't expect them to be hospitable or helpful in any way but they did nothing to stop the message or dissuade me in any way. In fact they just doubled my resolve and reaffirmed how committed and focused we have to be in these times.

Peace & Respect,

Immortal Technique



P.S.

[b]"This Administration talks a lot about God, so much that if you think about it the Republican Party has created this ubiquitous monopoly on religion in the political world.[/b] As if they were the only people who believed in God. It's no secret that they use religious values to [b]cultivate a fan base that would normally be very disturbed by their domestic, economic, and foreign policy agendas[/b]. They are even breeding this type of thinking in the children of this nation, thinking much farther ahead than we are actually. [url="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c7_1173547096"]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c7_1173547096[/url]

"You know about [b]3000 years ago there were Egyptians who worshipped the statues of Gods like Osiris and Anubis[/b] and thought praying to these pagan entities gave them strength, virility, victory and love. We now scoff at this practice and think "how could people be so ignorant as to worship such idols thinking they will bring them what they ask for?" We think how could people pray to a man with a dog's head or a man with a bird’s head and think that those deities will fulfill their humble requests from the heavens. But the sad truth is that 3000 years from now if humanity still exists people will probably look back on our society and say, [b]"look at these people they prayed to a man nailed to piece of wood, and the saddest part was that they couldn't even follow the most basic commandment of what he said, which was treat others the way you wish to be treated." [/b] This coming from a person who while he doesn't let religion control his life, believes in God strongly, and knows how much [b][size=4]Christ and others like him spoke about individuals who made money off of others suffering, people like our modern day war profiteers, globalization architects and oil barons.[/size] [/b] :afropic:

"Knowing how [b]Jesus brought drama to the Holy Temple back in the day because of the way the people had made the name of God into a mechanism to increase their own personal wealth[/b]... I think that the people who work for [b]the administration[/b] and more specifically the president that are reading this right now should let him know that [b]if Jesus was alive, he'd probably spit in your face."[/quote][/b]


[url="http://www.pephost.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8421"]http://www.pephost.org/site/News2?page=New...cle&id=8421[/url]

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[b]Lawman ... it also seems that your reich wing bloggers .... have been selectively claiming who makes up Answer. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//23.gif[/img][/b][/color]



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[quote]The [b]A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition[/b] formed on September 14, 2001. It is a [b]coalition of hundreds of organizations and prominent individuals[/b] and scores of organizing centers in cities and towns across the country. Its national steering committee represents major national organizations that have campaigned against U.S. intervention in Latin America, the Caribbean, the Middle East and Asia, and[b] organizations that have campaigned for civil rights and for social and economic justice for working and poor people inside the United States.[/b]


[b][u]Steering Committee:[/u][/b]

IFCO/Pastors for Peace
Free Palestine Alliance
U.S. Haiti Support Network
Partnership for Civil Justice
LDEF
Nicaragua Network
Alliance for Just and Lasting Peace in the Philippines
Korea Truth Commission
Muslim Student Association - National
Kensington Welfare Rights Union
Mexico Solidarity Network
Party for Socialism and Liberation[/quote]



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[quote name='Jamie_B' post='460683' date='Mar 22 2007, 03:53 PM'][url="http://video1.cathedral.org/wmv/PeaceService070316.wmv"]Video of the Service the night before.[/url][/quote]


I would be curious of the opinions of the folks here on this.
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[b]INTERNATIONAL A.N.S.W.E.R[/b]

[color="#000080"]Anti-war front group for the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party
A major organizer of the massive anti-Iraq war rallies of 2002 and 2003
Opposes embargo against Communist Cuba[/color]
[b]Supports convicted cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal[/b]

[img]http://bp3.blogger.com/_EoaekWnLvZc/Rf4xTGQTlxI/AAAAAAAAASE/MxFcqhk8Kv8/s320/20070317_MarchOnPentagon_%20531-edited.jpg[/img]

[color="#000080"]International ANSWER (an acronym for "Act Now to Stop War and End Racism") is run by Ramsey Clark's [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Action_Center"]International Action Center[/url], which is staffed by members of the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party (WWP). ANSWER views the United States as a racist, imperialist, sexist, homophobic nation and the world's chief violator of human rights -- guilty of unspeakable atrocities, past and present, foreign and domestic.

[img]http://bp1.blogger.com/_EoaekWnLvZc/Rf5MnmQTl_I/AAAAAAAAAT0/OF4ISf4cftU/s320/20070317_MarchOnPentagon_%20628.jpg[/img]

[b]Founded on September 14, 2001 (three days after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon), ANSWER held its initial mass demonstrations fifteen days thereafter, on September 29th in Washington, DC and San Francisco. These rallies drew 25,000 and 15,000 participants, respectively, to protest the Bush administration's impending invasion of Afghanistan, whose Taliban regime had aided and abetted the al Qaeda terrorist network responsible for 9/11[/b]. In July 2002, ANSWER shifted its focus to denouncing the prospect of a possible U.S. invasion of Iraq.

ANSWER's first "six-figure" rally took place on April 20, 2002, when more than 100,000 people protested outside the White House and marched through Washington, DC "in support of justice for Palestine." According to ANSWER, this demonstration "broke the existing taboo in the United States among the traditional peace movement against open solidarity with the Palestinian people's struggle," and "revealed that the U.S. anti-war movement … could successfully organize with tens of thousands of Arab-American, Muslim and South Asian people to form a united front." The aforementioned communities, says ANSWER, "have been under siege" in the U.S. since 9/11.

On January 18, 2003, ANSWER initiated the first internationally coordinated day of action against the impending war in Iraq, when some 500,000 people demonstrated in the District of Columbia, as did 200,000 in San Francisco and millions more in cities around the world.

On February 15 of that year, ANSWER, in conjunction with United for Peace and Justice, helped mobilize another set of massive antiwar demonstrations; some 500,000 attended in New York City, as did 100,000 in Los Angeles and many others in San Francisco, Chicago, and elsewhere across the United States.

[b]ANSWER-organized rallies are all conducted in a similar fashion: Protestors gather at a mustering ground flanked by information and merchandise tables that are manned by a variety of leftist and communist organizations, which have paid ANSWER a fee for permission to distribute literature or sell their wares[/b]. An elevated stage is set up at the front of the rally site, complete with a massive sound system. After a musical prelude, a number of speeches are delivered -- usually, over a dozen. Once this initial round of speeches is completed, the attendees march along a short route to the location of the final rally, where they encounter more literature and merchandise tables and are treated to another round of speeches. At both rally locations and along the course of the march, ANSWER volunteers raise funds by moving through the crowd with large buckets into which attendees deposit cash donations.

The speakers at ANSWER rallies are generally members of the political far left who oppose not only America's role in the current war on terror, but also many additional aspects of the nation's foreign and domestic policies. Such speakers include prominent members of activist and communist organizations; celebrities and entertainers; and politicians -- often members of the Democratic Party's Progressive Caucus. Some -- such as Brian Becker, Larry Holmes, Teresa Gutierrez, Sarah Sloan, and Sara Flounders -- are members of the Workers World Party. When addressing the crowds, these speakers accuse the U.S. of a broad spectrum of transgressions, including its alleged pursuit of colonialism, imperialism and world domination; its current "occupation" of Afghanistan and Iraq; its purportedly unjustified and immoral trade embargo against Fidel Castro's Cuba; its "attacks" on the "civil rights and civil liberties" of Americans, as embodied in the Patriot Act; its mistreatment of "political prisoners" like cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal; its allegedly excessive military-related spending coupled with its "cuts in social programs"; and the discrimination, institutional racism, and police brutality it supposedly directs against minorities.

ANSWER's policies and activities are guided by a steering committee that includes the International Action Center, the Korea Truth Commission and the Partnership for Civil Justice Legal Defense and Education Fund; the Free Palestine Alliance; the Middle East Children's Alliance; the Interreligious Foundation for Community Organizing /Pastors for Peace; the Nicaragua Network; the Mexico Solidarity Network; the Kensington Welfare Rights Union; and the Muslim Student Association of the U.S. & Canada, the Haiti Support Network; Alliance for Just and Lasting Peace in the Philippines; and the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

The Houston chapter of ANSWER was a signatory to a February 20, 2002 document, composed by the Maoist C. Clark Kissinger's radical group Refuse & Resist, condemning military tribunals and the detention of immigrants apprehended in connection with post-9/11 terrorism investigations. The document read, in part, "[T]hey [the U.S. government] are coming for the Arab, Muslim and South Asian immigrants. … The recent 'disappearances', indefinite detention[s], the round-ups, the secret military tribunals, the denial of legal representation, evidence kept a secret from the accused, the denial of any due process for Arab, Muslim, South Asians and others, have chilling similarities to a police state."

ANSWER supports an immigration policy that calls for open borders as well as amnesty and full civil rights for illegal aliens residing in the United States. Along those lines, the organization's website features a link to a petition that reads: "Neoliberal economic policies targeting Latin America, like NAFTA and CAFTA, have pushed millions of people into abject poverty. Immigrants are forced to come to the U.S. to look for work. Nobody should be criminalized for attempting to survive. No human being is illegal. Racism against immigrants emanates from the same forces behind the U.S. war to conquer and control the wealth of Iraq."[/color]

A.N.S.W.E.R., [i]but what's the question[/i]?
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[b][u][quote][/u][/b]Steering Committee:

IFCO/Pastors for Peace
Free Palestine Alliance
U.S. Haiti Support Network
Partnership for Civil Justice
LDEF
Nicaragua Network
Alliance for Just and Lasting Peace in the Philippines
Korea Truth Commission
Muslim Student Association - National
Kensington Welfare Rights Union
Mexico Solidarity Network
Party for Socialism and Liberation[b][u][/quote][/u][/b]

Translation...DAMNED COMMIES!!!

[quote name='Lawman' post='461586' date='Mar 23 2007, 07:21 PM'][b]INTERNATIONAL A.N.S.W.E.R[/b]

[color="#000080"]International ANSWER (an acronym for "Act Now to Stop War and End Racism") is run by Ramsey Clark's [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Action_Center"]International Action Center[/url], which is staffed by members of the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party (WWP). ANSWER views the United States as a racist, imperialist, sexist, homophobic nation and the world's chief violator of human rights -- guilty of unspeakable atrocities, past and present, foreign and domestic.

Founded on September 14, 2001 (three days after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon), ANSWER held its initial mass demonstrations fifteen days thereafter, on September 29th in Washington, DC and San Francisco. These rallies drew 25,000 and 15,000 participants, respectively, to protest the Bush administration's impending invasion of Afghanistan, whose Taliban regime had aided and abetted the al Qaeda terrorist network responsible for 9/11. In July 2002, ANSWER shifted its focus to denouncing the prospect of a possible U.S. invasion of Iraq.

ANSWER's first "six-figure" rally took place on April 20, 2002, when more than 100,000 people protested outside the White House and marched through Washington, DC "in support of justice for Palestine." According to ANSWER, this demonstration "broke the existing taboo in the United States among the traditional peace movement against open solidarity with the Palestinian people's struggle," and "revealed that the U.S. anti-war movement … could successfully organize with tens of thousands of Arab-American, Muslim and South Asian people to form a united front." The aforementioned communities, says ANSWER, "have been under siege" in the U.S. since 9/11.

On January 18, 2003, ANSWER initiated the first internationally coordinated day of action against the impending war in Iraq, when some 500,000 people demonstrated in the District of Columbia, as did 200,000 in San Francisco and millions more in cities around the world.

On February 15 of that year, ANSWER, in conjunction with United for Peace and Justice, helped mobilize another set of massive antiwar demonstrations; some 500,000 attended in New York City, as did 100,000 in Los Angeles and many others in San Francisco, Chicago, and elsewhere across the United States.

ANSWER-organized rallies are all conducted in a similar fashion: Protestors gather at a mustering ground flanked by information and merchandise tables that are manned by a variety of leftist and communist organizations, which have paid ANSWER a fee for permission to distribute literature or sell their wares. An elevated stage is set up at the front of the rally site, complete with a massive sound system. After a musical prelude, a number of speeches are delivered -- usually, over a dozen. Once this initial round of speeches is completed, the attendees march along a short route to the location of the final rally, where they encounter more literature and merchandise tables and are treated to another round of speeches. At both rally locations and along the course of the march, ANSWER volunteers raise funds by moving through the crowd with large buckets into which attendees deposit cash donations.

The speakers at ANSWER rallies are generally members of the political far left who oppose not only America's role in the current war on terror, but also many additional aspects of the nation's foreign and domestic policies. Such speakers include prominent members of activist and communist organizations; celebrities and entertainers; and politicians -- often members of the Democratic Party's Progressive Caucus. Some -- such as Brian Becker, Larry Holmes, Teresa Gutierrez, Sarah Sloan, and Sara Flounders -- are members of the Workers World Party. [b]When addressing the crowds, these speakers accuse the U.S. of a broad spectrum of transgressions, including its alleged pursuit of colonialism, imperialism and world domination; its current "occupation" of Afghanistan and Iraq; its purportedly unjustified and immoral trade embargo against Fidel Castro's Cuba; its "attacks" on the "civil rights and civil liberties" of Americans, as embodied in the Patriot Act; its mistreatment of "political prisoners" like cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal; its allegedly excessive military-related spending coupled with its "cuts in social programs"; and the discrimination, institutional racism, and police brutality it supposedly directs against minorities.
[/b]
ANSWER's policies and activities are guided by a steering committee that includes the International Action Center, the Korea Truth Commission and the Partnership for Civil Justice Legal Defense and Education Fund; the Free Palestine Alliance; the Middle East Children's Alliance; the Interreligious Foundation for Community Organizing /Pastors for Peace; the Nicaragua Network; the Mexico Solidarity Network; the Kensington Welfare Rights Union; and the Muslim Student Association of the U.S. & Canada, the Haiti Support Network; Alliance for Just and Lasting Peace in the Philippines; and the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

The Houston chapter of ANSWER was a signatory to a February 20, 2002 document, composed by the Maoist C. Clark Kissinger's radical group Refuse & Resist, condemning military tribunals and the detention of immigrants apprehended in connection with post-9/11 terrorism investigations. The document read, in part, [b]"[T]hey [the U.S. government] are coming for the Arab, Muslim and South Asian immigrants. … The recent 'disappearances', indefinite detention[s], the round-ups, the secret military tribunals, the denial of legal representation, evidence kept a secret from the accused, the denial of any due process for Arab, Muslim, South Asians and others, have chilling similarities to a police state."[/b]

ANSWER supports an immigration policy that calls for open borders as well as amnesty and full civil rights for illegal aliens residing in the United States. Along those lines, the organization's website features a link to a petition that reads: [b]"Neoliberal economic policies targeting Latin America, like NAFTA and CAFTA, have pushed millions of people into abject poverty. Immigrants are forced to come to the U.S. to look for work. Nobody should be criminalized for attempting to survive. No human being is illegal. Racism against immigrants emanates from the same forces behind the U.S. war to conquer and control the wealth of Iraq."[/b][/color][/quote]

Hmmm...These all sound like good causes to me, and a good stand to make.

I personally don't know or care who controls ANSWER...But being rooted in socialism is a point in its favour to me.

After all...This isn't the 50's and the communist witch-hunt is over.

Unless you're 90 years old and go by the codename 'Lawman'.

BZ
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[quote name='BlackJesus' post='460811' date='Mar 22 2007, 05:59 PM'][color="#2F4F4F"][size=5][b]Aha !!! [/size]
Finally ... found some [color="#A0522D"]video of the Pro War contingent[/color] on the curbside that I was talking about. As you will see they are about [u]5 deep [/u] ... and on the curb. We were on the Camera side ... and had to walk past them for the 2 and half mile walk across the river to the Pentagon. [u][b]This group on the side went for about .1 of a mile[/b][/u] ... and was the entire Pro War group that was there .... and thus numbered about 300 as you can see from their size ... [/b][/color]
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YEAH RIGHT, THE CAMERA DIDN't EVEN MOVE, that's your claim????

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[quote name='TheBZ' post='461593' date='Mar 23 2007, 08:34 PM'][b][u][/u][/b]

Translation...DAMNED COMMIES!!!
Hmmm...These all sound like good causes to me, and a good stand to make.

I personally don't know or care who controls ANSWER...But being rooted in socialism is a point in its favour to me.

After all...This isn't the 50's and the communist witch-hunt is over.

Unless you're 90 years old and go by the codename 'Lawman'.

BZ[/quote]


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[color="#000080"]Here in plain language is the main message of the demonstration: Cut off all money for the war and pull the troops out unconditionally. Simply put, unconditional surrender. Nobody, not even the radicals, believe that withdrawing our troops in Iraq will lead to peace. Everybody knows that our GIs are the thin green line in Iraq holding off the Baathist mass-murderers and the jihadi head-cutters. If they leave, Iraq will become a hell on Earth for ordinary Iraqis, a paradise for the insurgents. Nothing so transparently signals the demonstration's desire for America to lose and take innocent Iraqis down with it. They want the insurgents to win.[/color]

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[i]I know the US Flag was in short supply in the ANSWER coalition with YELLOW as the prefered color of choice, but here you have you have the Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon, and Iraq again.

I mean a little Lee Greenwood to prove these people are not anti-american.[/i]
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[quote name='Lawman' post='461606' date='Mar 24 2007, 01:33 AM'][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2wO3eSmWVo"]Visit My Website[/url][/quote]
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hotair.com I couldn't make that up!

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[quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='461609' date='Mar 23 2007, 09:35 PM'][img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]

hotair.com I couldn't make that up!

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Did you view it. :mellow:

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(4:48) "Most of them are college age students and the type of information that is being fed to them in our colleges today is not benifiting the country at all, they dont support the troops neither do their proffessors and so forth that basicly are telling them all this garbage."


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Damn what the hell a I paying for? :contract:

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[quote name='Lawman' post='461610' date='Mar 24 2007, 01:43 AM']Did you view it. :mellow:[/quote]
Yup. Michelle Malkin is the perfect spokesperson for a group with that name. I really enjoyed the logic of the guy who claimed that the only way to peace was through more war. Yeah, that makes sense.

Did you see 30000 people in that vid? Are you still trying to prove somehow that there were more people there than there actually was? I'm not sure what you're really getting at. I guess you figure BJ is lying about what he saw with his own eyes?

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A blog from Sarah at [url="http://www.scsuscholars.com/2007/03/update-from-washington-dc.html"]http://www.scsuscholars.com/2007/03/update...hington-dc.html[/url]

[color="#000080"]My friend, Chris, and I were a bit worried about the turnout, but as we came down the hill from the Metro station and looked to our left, our concerns diminished rapidly.[/color] [b]There were Vets everywhere, from all over the country[/b]. [color="#000080"]Security for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial was tight. Visitors could enter from one end only and exit at the other side. Everyone had to pass an electronic screening. The line was long but orderly.[/color]

[color="#000080"]For the demonstrations, The National Park Service had set locations for each side and patrolled the interim space constantly. There were no altercations that I saw. Some anti-war people tried to get to the Vets but they were asked to leave quickly and quietly - they did.[/color] [b]It was apparent that the anti-US crowd did not expect a Veterans turnout of this size.[/b]

[color="#000080"]What will the media show? I don't know b[/color][u]ut the line up of protesters walking to the Pentagon to protest will look long.[/u] [b]What will be missing from the scene are the thousands of vets
who lined the protest route and thousands more were on the other side of the grounds[/b]. Take all numbers with caution - my best guess, having walked back and forth multiple times is that [b]the numbers were even at worst, Vets outnumbering protesters a bit at best.[/b]

I[color="#000080"] have just watched the "news" on Channel 4 in NBC in Washington DC. [/color][size=3]Their statement of "tens of thousands of protesters" is flat out wrong[/size]! [color="#000080"]More biased coverage - NBC never showed the number of vets other than the ones at the Wall. Thousands of Vets were everywhere. Perhaps NBC had to inflate the numbers because the crowd was so much smaller than expected. In addition[/color], [b]they had to revert to film from 1967 to show larger crowds.[/b] [color="#000080"]It also appears the "name" speakers didn't arrive because only Cindy Sheehan was shown. 'Tis a national disgrace when the media must enforce its anti-freedom agenda on the public.

In general, the anti- ____ crowd was comprised of naive and some very factually-challenged people. Signs with "data" were simply wrong. [/color]

[i]A Reagan quote is required here[/i]: "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."

[color="#000080"]The usual protest representatives were there: sixties hippies; their kids; ANSWER; Che Guevara; the pacifist and anti-fight for anything crowd. They were joined by another assortment of protesters:[/color] [b]high school kids bussed in from Philly - they get extra credit in their US History classes if they participate in a protest (note, anti, not pro)[/b]; [color="#000080"]a few who dressed like Palestinians and carried signs for the oppression of the Palestinians; "No war with Iran" crowd; impeach everyone crowd; anti-Halliburton; etc. These people are well-financed, signage is good.[/color] [i]Papa Soros.[/i]

[i]OK BJ, what I was alluding to when I said "Why were you there?" Did you recieve Credit for attending?
I know our Liberal Academia is shoving kids out to these things and they (the kids) have no-idea as to what's going on.[/i]

[color="#000080"]On the other hand, the vets were proud, professional, and polite. Speakers summarized some real history - in particular, the real culprits for Vietnam casualties. One speaker, Kevin Michael of DC was particularly powerful! He is a Desert Storm Veteran and proud of it. He speaks well for all veterans.

After the protesters took their march to the Pentagon (who works there on a Saturday is beyond me) the Vets milled around, making sure key contacts will be maintained. [b]An interesting side point: the grounds where the vets congregated were clean, no trash; the grounds where the protesters congregated - well, they apparently don't know how to use trash cans[/b].[/color]

[i]Their true nature exposed, spoiled assed brats that only care about themselves.[/i] <_<

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