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[quote name='Lawman' post='461728' date='Mar 24 2007, 07:23 AM'][i]What are these people doing at a anti-war peace march[/i]?[/quote]

[b]Anyone and everyone was invited .... there is no fucking guest list .... anyone who disagreed with the Occupation of Iraq was encouraged to show up .... there was no "one voice" .... It was a collection of groups .... some crazier than others ... who all agreed on the premise of bringing US troops back from Iraq.

THAT IS IT !!![/b]





[quote name='Lawman' post='461728' date='Mar 24 2007, 07:23 AM'][i][size=4]allows[/size]people that support Cop killers , to attend. [/i].[/quote]


[b]:rant: There is no "Allowing" .... we live in a country with the first amendment ... which says that anyone can protest whatever they want !!!

You didn't need permission, or a ticket to be a part of this. Anyone who showed up could take part. Hell Pro War people could march in the march if they wanted ... and a few did as I guess displayed by your article. [/b]

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[quote name='Lawman' post='461740' date='Mar 24 2007, 09:11 AM']It was BJ who became DEFENSIVE attempting to distance the DC protestors and himself from these ANARCHIST.[/quote]

[b]I only became angry when I saw that they were trying to say that there few hundred people ... outnumbered the 30,000 + that i saw with own eyes. That is a pure lie. And now it will be repeated by the Reich Wing echo chamber until it becomes as true as Iraq having something to do with 9/11 = which a lot of Bush tards still believe as shown in most polls. [/b]







[quote name='Lawman' post='461740' date='Mar 24 2007, 09:11 AM']Anyways, they left their "calling card" on the Capitol steps:

[img]http://www.schuminweb.com/images/life-and-times/2007/j27/115.jpg[/img][/quote]

[b]Yes .... some assholes sprayed some graffiti. I can not be responsible or a spokesman for every dipshit who vandalizes the sidewalk. I did not take part in any vandalism ... nor would I have ... nor did I see any taking place. What I mostly saw was about 29,500 well behaved Americans from all walks of life marching for peace ... and then mixed in with them were about 500 crazy teenage kids with shileds, face coverings, and anarchist banners. I can't be responsible with whatever the fuck these kids do. Nor do they represent my views. [/b]







[quote name='Lawman' post='461740' date='Mar 24 2007, 09:11 AM'][img]http://www.schuminweb.com/images/life-and-times/2007/j27/132.jpg[/img]

What 9/10 years old?[/quote]

[b]I saw a few younger kids in the Pro War side. Hell what looked like a 6-8 yr old girl said that I "should be hung like Saddam" and flipped me off. How cute. [/b]






[quote name='Lawman' post='461740' date='Mar 24 2007, 09:11 AM']you have BJ (running around behind a Vendetta mask) attempting to portray
his group as bunch of "little angels", he is being disengious and the evidence suggest otherwise.[/quote]

[b]Little Angels ? :crazy: .... I have been very honest this entire time with who was there ... I have never hid the fact that there was groups from every walk of life there .... However I saw no flag desecration, vandalism, nor heard any of them say bad things about the American people (Just its government). As for the V mask ... that was to make a silent Statement ... and those who had seen the movie ... got the message. [/b]






[quote name='Lawman' post='461740' date='Mar 24 2007, 09:11 AM']But, if there is a counter-protest taking place, how about a little fair coverage for them also by the MSM. <_<[/quote]


[b]The MSM did talk about both protests. The problem was that one had 30,000 ... and the other had 300. So thus the one got 10 times the proportional coverage.[/b]

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[quote name='Lawman' post='461747' date='Mar 24 2007, 09:30 AM']I am not saying BJ is lying, I am saying he claims that there were only 300 "Gathering of Eagles" and I am saying there were more groups than the Eagles "Those with arm-bands" defending the War-memorial.

like these:

[img]http://bp1.blogger.com/_EoaekWnLvZc/Rf30d2QTlbI/AAAAAAAAAPU/-qLxa5VkE-s/s320/20070317_MarchOnPentagon_%20172-edited.jpg[/img][/quote]


[color="#FF0000"][b]No ! When I say 300 ... I am including these guys[/color] ... I walked directly in front of these exact guys ... everyone of them .... they were in that .1 mile part of the march that I keep talking about. [size=3]THE ENTIRE GROUP NUMBERED 300 !!! ALL OF THEM !!! [/size] (The Eagles were probably less than 50). Not a lot considering it was announced on Faux News to over a million people. [/b]







[quote name='Lawman' post='461747' date='Mar 24 2007, 09:30 AM'][i]Maybe I can help, I disagree with your logic. Saddam and his Bathist (socialist) regime is gone and that is why anti-war (anti-american) activist are out. They are pissed that there socialist buddies have been removed[/i].[/quote]

[center][img]http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/fry/casualties/rummy-saddam-300.jpg[/img][/center]

:rant: [b]OH FUCK YOU ASSHOLE !!!! Saddam was a Stalinist Dictator ... he was not a Socialist. And NONE of the people there were speaking out in support of Saddam. He was a brutal tyrant ... our US brutal tyrant that we propped up and supported as he was killing 1 million Iranians in the 80's. He was secular and thus the U.S. liked him in the 80's.


You do realize that Socialist nations comprise are best allies don't you ? Canada, Britian, Scandinavia etc. [/b]

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[center][size=5][quote name='Palmer4HOF' post='461769' date='Mar 24 2007, 11:42 AM']I officially feel retarded[/quote][/size][/center]


[color="#800080"][b]Glad you could finally get in touch with your true feelings :wave:[/b][/color]

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[b]I think I figured out why Lawman is so bitter .... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/39.gif[/img]







found this from his yearbook from 1989 .... [/b]

[center][img]http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1996/jul/07-03-96/photos/jllnewklanbeat2062296.gif[/img][/center]
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I don't think Britain is really a socialist nation, but I quibble.
I'm glad you went BJ, I'm sure it was empowering to mingle with a bunch of folks that share some of your views.
I don't understand these "protest numbers" arguments. How can there really be an accurate count of heads? Nobody's counting....just estimating.
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[quote]I don't understand these "protest numbers" arguments. How can there really be an accurate count of heads? Nobody's counting....just estimating.[/quote]


[b]Yes you can never be all the way accurate ... but there were tons of Helicopters overhead ...

and you can tell the difference between a few hundred guys on a small sidewalk ....

and a mass of 30,000 stretching 2 miles down the road. [/b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img]
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[quote name='BlackJesus' post='461882' date='Mar 24 2007, 03:46 PM'][b]Yes you can never be all the way accurate ... but there were tons of Helicopters overhead ...

and you can tell the difference between a few hundred guys on a small sidewalk ....

and a mass of 30,000 stretching 2 miles down the road. [/b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img][/quote]
Well, yeah.
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[b][center]Hey Lawman ... do you want to claim these assholes ???? Who do you think they voted for ... Bush or Kerry ? [/size]



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[img]http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/Anthony/Images/klan1.jpg[/img]


[img]http://www.ku-klux-klan.org/NSM.jpg[/img]


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- Of course not .... all sides have fringe groups that do not represent the majority.

In a free country you can't help it if racists show up to an open protest ... just like you can't help it if Anarchist teenagers with spray cans show up and vandalize shit.

Hell I am sure there were some rabid racists on the Pro War side ... hell one white bearded guy yelled that "I'm a Christian so Fuck that Jew" :crazy: in relation to Jesus.


[size=4] :contract: I can not be responsible for others who agree with similar things to me .... if Anarchist kids want the U.S. troops to come from Iraq and I also do ... that doesn't mean that I need to also agree with them on everything else. [/b]
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God I hate Nazis, skinheads and their ilk. They are the worst form of humanity, those that think that their race is somehow "pure" and in danger of being adulterated by another race.
Racism stinks. Besides religion and possibly disease, is there any other factor that has plagued humanity more than racism in terms of death and subjugation?
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[quote name='Bunghole' post='461881' date='Mar 24 2007, 04:44 PM']I don't think Britain is really a socialist nation, but I quibble.[/quote]

Believe me...Neither is Canada.

The only real difference is a greater general public support for unifying social programs like Universal Healthcare, Employment Insurance, etc.

And even in the case of those kinds of programs, the hold is quite tenuous at times...And is constantly under fire from various angles to erode socialized institutions...Not to mention, the damage that is done when the government botches (gun registry), mishandles (health care), or undercuts (education) social programs - leaving people wondering if it is possible to do it properly.

This is one of the reason's why Lawman's unequivocating concern about commies and lefties is so radical...Where does that kind of government exist and where is it really supported?...North Korea?...Cuba?

Does wanting to spend more money on the education system than the military make one a socialist?

Does wanting to provide free daycare for single working mothers make someone a socialist?

What about funding the delivery of children, or free vaccinations...Is that socialist?

If so, then I guess I'd have to be a yellow commie lefty...But that hardly equates to pissing on monuments and cursing democratic freedom.

The whole mindset is so 'Red Scare', it would be a charicature in other civilized countries.

When you have such vast amounts of wealth floating around North America, it never has to be so radical. You simply speak your mind and vote with your conscience to say that...Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if we could funnel some of the outrageous fortune into making sure that everyone's kids could go to college, if they were so inclined?

As for the war / liberation / ??? in Iraq...With public debt skyrocketing, the housing market about to crash (crashing??), consistent trade deficits, the loss of global support and respect, a military stretched to its limits, a devaluing dollar, higher gas prices, harder to travel, less privacy, human rights abuses, missing contract $$, political lies and deception, countless civilian and military deaths AND no end in sight for any of it...There are a hell of alot of reasons for Americans to be critical of the status quo with Iraq and Afghanistan...And do any of them really have anything to do with socialism or communism?

BZ
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[quote name='TheBZ' post='461904' date='Mar 24 2007, 04:47 PM']Believe me...Neither is Canada.

The only real difference is a greater general public support for unifying social programs like Universal Healthcare, Employment Insurance, etc.

And even in the case of those kinds of programs, the hold is quite tenuous at times...And is constantly under fire from various angles to erode socialized institutions...Not to mention, the damage that is done when the government botches (gun registry), mishandles (health care), or undercuts (education) social programs - leaving people wondering if it is possible to do it properly.

This is one of the reason's why Lawman's unequivocating concern about commies and lefties is so radical...Where does that kind of government exist and where is it really supported?...North Korea?...Cuba?

Does wanting to spend more money on the education system than the military make one a socialist?

Does wanting to provide free daycare for single working mothers make someone a socialist?

What about funding the delivery of children, or free vaccinations...Is that socialist?

If so, then I guess I'd have to be a yellow commie lefty...But that hardly equates to pissing on monuments and cursing democratic freedom.

The whole mindset is so 'Red Scare', it would be a charicature in other civilized countries.

When you have such vast amounts of wealth floating around North America, it never has to be so radical. You simply speak your mind and vote with your conscience to say that...Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if we could funnel some of the outrageous fortune into making sure that everyone's kids could go to college, if they were so inclined?

As for the war / liberation / ??? in Iraq...With public debt skyrocketing, the housing market about to crash (crashing??), consistent trade deficits, the loss of global support and respect, a military stretched to its limits, a devaluing dollar, higher gas prices, harder to travel, less privacy, human rights abuses, missing contract $$, political lies and deception, countless civilian and military deaths AND no end in sight for any of it...There are a hell of alot of reasons for Americans to be critical of the status quo with Iraq and Afghanistan...And do any of them really have anything to do with socialism or communism?

BZ[/quote]
The short answer to your last sentence is a resounding NO. That aside, I truly believe that some of the more supposedly frightening tidbits you mention that portray America as a country about to collapse is overblown.
These things have a way of evening out, whether it be from market activity, success/failure in wars, etc etc
One of the problems I perceive from the media here in America (I'm assuming the mass media at large in the world is largely ANTI-American these days) is that it, being the money-making machine it is, only reports on what bleeds or sells, and fails to report any type of progress as it is either against their agenda/bias or is....boring to viewers/readers.
What I'm getting at is that the "middle ground" voice of America exists....strongly. Add to that the fact that sensationalized media tends to report on extremes of every slant, and you have a deliberate attempt to misinform, actuated by both sides of the American political aisle.
It's frustrating, really, to try to decide which media outlet is "reputable", since they all have their respective bosses and sources that will likely portray information in a way that is in line with their political leanings and to mesmerize viewers.
To quote an album title from a band I'm fond of: "Nothing's Shocking".
I guess I'm unsure where I'm going with this...things are bad everywhere, it isn't just the USA is how I see it.
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[quote name='TheBZ' post='461904' date='Mar 24 2007, 06:47 PM']Believe me...Neither is Canada.

The only real difference is a greater general public support for unifying social programs like Universal Healthcare, Employment Insurance, etc.

And even in the case of those kinds of programs, the hold is quite tenuous at times...And is constantly under fire from various angles to erode socialized institutions...Not to mention, the damage that is done when the government botches (gun registry), mishandles (health care), or undercuts (education) social programs - leaving people wondering if it is possible to do it properly.

This is one of the reason's why Lawman's unequivocating concern about commies and lefties is so radical...Where does that kind of government exist and where is it really supported?...North Korea?...Cuba?

Does wanting to spend more money on the education system than the military make one a socialist?

Does wanting to provide free daycare for single working mothers make someone a socialist?

What about funding the delivery of children, or free vaccinations...Is that socialist?

If so, then I guess I'd have to be a yellow commie lefty...But that hardly equates to pissing on monuments and cursing democratic freedom.

The whole mindset is so 'Red Scare', it would be a charicature in other civilized countries.

When you have such vast amounts of wealth floating around North America, it never has to be so radical. You simply speak your mind and vote with your conscience to say that...Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if we could funnel some of the outrageous fortune into making sure that everyone's kids could go to college, if they were so inclined?

As for the war / liberation / ??? in Iraq...With public debt skyrocketing, the housing market about to crash (crashing??), consistent trade deficits, the loss of global support and respect, a military stretched to its limits, a devaluing dollar, higher gas prices, harder to travel, less privacy, human rights abuses, missing contract $$, political lies and deception, countless civilian and military deaths AND no end in sight for any of it...There are a hell of alot of reasons for Americans to be critical of the status quo with Iraq and Afghanistan...And do any of them really have anything to do with socialism or communism?

BZ[/quote]



[color="#8B0000"][b]Excellent post :thumbsup:


Also yes I agree with Canada, Britian etc ... I was just saying that in Lawmans mind = I am sure anywhere that even opens up a damn govt soup kitchen is communist. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//23.gif[/img]



Also he has a [u]fundemental misunderstanding of the terms[/u] ... and just [u]uses them all interchangably [/u](Communist, Marxist, Socialists etc). [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//30.gif[/img]


Hell even [u]amongst Communists[/u] you have the [size=3]differing ideologies[/size] of: - Leninism, Council communism, Anarchist communism, Stalinism, Trotskyism, Primitive communism, Titoism, Maoism, Juche, and Eurocommunism.


Just taking Marxism by itself .... it looks at [u][size=3]concepts like[/size][/u]: Alienation, Class consciousness, Commodity fetishism, Cultural hegemony, Exploitation, Human nature, Reification, Relations of production, Labor power, Law of value, Means & Modes of production, Surplus labour & value, the Transformation problem, Wage labor, Class struggle, Dictatorship of the proletariat, Primitive accumulation of capital, Proletarian revolution & internationalism, Dialectical materialism, Feminism, & Humanism.


[size=3][color="#FF0000"]:rant: AND NONE of these things have anything to do with spoiled pot smoking teenage dipshits with rags wrapped on their face spray painting crap on the sidewalks !!! [/color][/size]


[size=3][u]Hell amongst Socialists you have:[/u][/size] - Libertarian socialism, Democratic socialism, Guevarism, Market socialism, Revolutionary socialism, Utopian socialism, African socialism, Ujamaa, Arab socialism, Labor Zionism, Christian socialism, Islamic socialism, & Guild socialism.


These ideologies are all different ... and some of them have never even been attempted on any kind of large scale to test their effectiveness.

Yet people like Lawman simplify it all into "Commie or Socialist" without any real understanding of what they mean.


But then again ... books without pictures are for liberals. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//37.gif[/img][/b][/color]

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[quote name='BlackJesus' post='461914' date='Mar 24 2007, 05:15 PM'][color="#8B0000"][b]Excellent post :thumbsup:
Also yes I agree with Canada, Britian etc ... I was just saying that in Lawmans mind = I am sure anywhere that even opens up a damn govt soup kitchen is communist. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//23.gif[/img]
Also he has a [u]fundemental misunderstanding of the terms[/u] ... and just [u]uses them all interchangably [/u](Communist, Marxist, Socialists etc). [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//30.gif[/img]
Hell even [u]amongst Communists[/u] you have the [size=3]differing ideologies[/size] of: - Leninism, Council communism, Anarchist communism, Stalinism, Trotskyism, Primitive communism, Titoism, Maoism, Juche, and Eurocommunism.
Just taking Marxism by itself .... it looks at [u][size=3]concepts like[/size][/u]: Alienation, Class consciousness, Commodity fetishism, Cultural hegemony, Exploitation, Human nature, Reification, Relations of production, Labor power, Law of value, Means & Modes of production, Surplus labour & value, the Transformation problem, Wage labor, Class struggle, Dictatorship of the proletariat, Primitive accumulation of capital, Proletarian revolution & internationalism, Dialectical materialism, Feminism, & Humanism.
[size=3][color="#FF0000"]:rant: AND NONE of these things have anything to do with spoiled pot smoking teenage dipshits with rags wrapped on their face spray painting crap on the sidewalks !!! [/color][/size]
[size=3][u]Hell amongst Socialists you have:[/u][/size] - Libertarian socialism, Democratic socialism, Guevarism, Market socialism, Revolutionary socialism, Utopian socialism, African socialism, Ujamaa, Arab socialism, Labor Zionism, Christian socialism, Islamic socialism, & Guild socialism.
These ideologies are all different ... and some of them have never even been attempted on any kind of large scale to test their effectiveness.

Yet people like Lawman simplify it all into "Commie or Socialist" without any real understanding of what they mean.
But then again ... books without pictures are for liberals. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//37.gif[/img][/b][/color][/quote]
There are lots of ideas that I think are either practical or humane in the inherent ideology of communism and socialsm. In the case of communism in it's purest form, human greed will always cancel it.
As for socialism, hell, the USA has Social Security, right?
I have no problem with tax monies being spent by elected officials for worthy human improvement programs, but you also have to draw the spending line somewhere, but it should never be at the expense of education or basic healthcare.
That's as liberal as I get....
:lol:

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[quote name='Bunghole' post='461921' date='Mar 24 2007, 06:24 PM']I have no problem with tax monies being spent by elected officials for worthy human improvement programs, but you also have to draw the spending line somewhere, but it should never be at the expense of education or basic healthcare.
That's as liberal as I get....
:lol:[/quote]

Hey...I'll take what I can get. :thumbsup:

As for your previous post, I realize that my view is somewhat limited...And let's face it, we are dealing with some polarized views on this site beyond what I get from television media, articles, etc.

It should be noted though that most Canadians have abundant access to U.S. media, and it is generally more dominant in Canada (especially TV & movies) than Canadian media. This is also the reason why you have Canadians like myself who follow the NFL far more closely than I would ever follow the CFL.

The reverse is not necessarily true (American access to foreign media), and that has led to a sort of stereotypical criticism that Americans don't know anything other than what the American media tells them.

I think this is changing now, and the access to foreign articles, news and perspective will help Americans see where the criticism might be coming from, and the different set of values that it originates from.

As far as 'the news of our demise has been greatly exaggerated', I think there is definitely something to that...And it probably has something to do with some wishful thinking from those (even like myself) who would like to see an end to perceived corporate dominance, strip-mining and military aggression.

But you should know that I have also learned (especially through this site) about American views on moderation, humanitarianism, objective thinking, political freedom and sovereignty that I didn't really know existed until engaged in some of these conversations.

I don't think it is all doom and gloom for the U.S., and really...I don't want it to be. I would be looking more for something of a wake-up call and an increased awareness of global politics, activism and values...And definitely, more soul-searching back to the best parts of the constitution, political rights & freedoms, and human empowerment.

In the end, I guess I just fail to see how the agenda in Iraq over the past 4 years has benefitted the United States at all. Financially, it has been a burden; socially, it has been divisive; globally, it has been poison...And the only people who have seemed to benefit are corporate contractors, oil holdings, and the very frightened people who are convinced that Muslims are the great 'bogeymen' of the world.

In my eyes, it wouldn't have to involve a full-scale withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan at this point (although I am obviously not from there)...But rather, it is about an admission that the status quo is unacceptable and harmful; and an admission that all politics can't be administered by the business end of a missile launcher.

Because it just isn't working anymore...Considering the actions of Iran, Venezuela and N. Korea, it seems obvious that countries aren't intimidated away from their own agendas, and the only people who benefit from the chaos are people who are already operating outside of governments and are looking for enough chaos to get a foothold in a war-torn territories.

I'll leave it at that. The original topic is receding into my rear-view mirrow.

BZ

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[quote name='TheBZ' post='461960' date='Mar 24 2007, 07:18 PM']Hey...I'll take what I can get. :thumbsup:

As for your previous post, I realize that my view is somewhat limited...And let's face it, we are dealing with some polarized views on this site beyond what I get from television media, articles, etc.

It should be noted though that most Canadians have abundant access to U.S. media, and it is generally more dominant in Canada (especially TV & movies) than Canadian media. This is also the reason why you have Canadians like myself who follow the NFL far more closely than I would ever follow the CFL.

The reverse is not necessarily true (American access to foreign media), and that has led to a sort of stereotypical criticism that Americans don't know anything other than what the American media tells them.

I think this is changing now, and the access to foreign articles, news and perspective will help Americans see where the criticism might be coming from, and the different set of values that it originates from.

As far as 'the news of our demise has been greatly exaggerated', I think there is definitely something to that...And it probably has something to do with some wishful thinking from those (even like myself) who would like to see an end to perceived corporate dominance, strip-mining and military aggression.

But you should know that I have also learned (especially through this site) about American views on moderation, humanitarianism, objective thinking, political freedom and sovereignty that I didn't really know existed until engaged in some of these conversations.

I don't think it is all doom and gloom for the U.S., and really...I don't want it to be. I would be looking more for something of a wake-up call and an increased awareness of global politics, activism and values...And definitely, more soul-searching back to the best parts of the constitution, political rights & freedoms, and human empowerment.

In the end, I guess I just fail to see how the agenda in Iraq over the past 4 years has benefitted the United States at all. Financially, it has been a burden; socially, it has been divisive; globally, it has been poison...And the only people who have seemed to benefit are corporate contractors, oil holdings, and the very frightened people who are convinced that Muslims are the great 'bogeymen' of the world.

In my eyes, it wouldn't have to involve a full-scale withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan at this point (although I am obviously not from there)...But rather, it is about an admission that the status quo is unacceptable and harmful; and an admission that all politics can't be administered by the business end of a missile launcher.

Because it just isn't working anymore...Considering the actions of Iran, Venezuela and N. Korea, it seems obvious that countries aren't intimidated away from their own agendas, and the only people who benefit from the chaos are people who are already operating outside of governments and are looking for enough chaos to get a foothold in a war-torn territories.

I'll leave it at that. The original topic is receding into my rear-view mirrow.

BZ[/quote]
<<Deafening applause>>>

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[quote name='BlackJesus' post='461880' date='Mar 24 2007, 05:44 PM'][b]I think I figured out why Lawman is so bitter .... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//39.gif[/img]
found this from his yearbook from 1989 .... [/b]

[center][img]http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1996/jul/07-03-96/photos/jllnewklanbeat2062296.gif[/img][/center][/quote]

So, you've got Joey and his posse attacking someone else, but should help Levi's case.

:ninja:

[img]http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1996/jul/07-03-96/photos/jllnewklanarrest062296.gif[/img]

Not so bad now, hey Joey.

:ninja:

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[quote]... who all agreed on the premise of bringing US troops back from Iraq.[/quote]

And this is the premise of our argument.

I am saying they were there to promote ther own agenda's, if they were in agreement with as you say in your statement; they would of placed their positions aside and been represented a unified front.


[quote][color="#000080"]The poor turnout at this year’s rallies can largely be attributed to a schism between A.N.S.W.E.R. and the other main anti-war coalition, United for Peace and Justice. The two groups used to sponsor these rallies together, but have recently ceased cooperating.

Their dispute stems from two factors. [b]First, there was some squabbling over the amount of time given to each group’s speakers at past rallies[/b] -- a surprising bit of selfishness from people who drive cars with bumper stickers proclaiming that everything they need to know they learned in kindergarten. Second, there was a disagreement over the Israel-Palestine issue. Apparently, A.N.S.W.E.R.’s position is that the Jews should be driven into the sea, while UPJ, being slightly more moderate, seeks to convince the Jews through peaceful dialogue to throw themselves in.[/color][/quote]

from a blog:

[quote][color="#000080"]... one thing I noticed was that the crowd started to thin out with at least a dozen speakers still scheduled to take the stage. It may have been due to the cold, more likely it was because what they wanted to hear had already been spoken.[/color][/quote]
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[quote]No ! When I say 300 ... I am including these guys ... I walked directly in front of these exact guys ... everyone of them .... they were in that .1 mile part of the march that I keep talking about. THE ENTIRE GROUP NUMBERED 300 !!! ALL OF THEM !!! (The Eagles were probably less than 50). Not a lot considering it was announced on Faux News to over a million people.[/quote]

[i].. and I have stated that others say YOUR NUMBERS ARE WRONG!!![/i]

[color="#000080"]For months, the anti-war coalition International A.N.S.W.E.R. had been publicizing its plans to hold a major anti-war rally in the nation’s capital on Saturday, March 17.[/color] [b]However, reaching the protest staging site next to the Lincoln Memorial at 11:00 -- an hour before the protestors were slated to begin marching to the Pentagon -- I found the field nearly empty[/b].

[i]Remember this argument on the staging area[/i]?

[img]http://bp3.blogger.com/_EoaekWnLvZc/Rf2UcWQTk8I/AAAAAAAAALc/VhB3EXqW4hc/s320/20070317_MarchOnPentagon_%20022-edited.jpg[/img]

[color="#000080"][b]Across the street stood several thousand counter-demonstrators[/b], mostly comprised of Vietnam War veterans associated with various biker clubs. Wearing leather jackets emblazoned with organization names like “Rolling Thunder,” “Legacy Vets,” and “Combat Veterans of America Motorcycle Club,” the vets had turned out to stand guard at the Vietnam Wall [b]and other monuments [/b]after some sites were desecrated at an anti-war rally in January. The vets were a grizzled, tough-looking lot, and their presence seemed to surprise the handful of Chinese tourists snapping photos in the area.[/color]

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[quote][color="#000080"]What will the media show? I don't know but the line up of protesters walking to the Pentagon to protest will look long. What will be missing from the scene are the thousands of vets
who lined the protest route and thousands more were on the other side of the grounds. Take all numbers with caution - my best guess, having walked back and forth multiple times is that the numbers were even at worst, Vets outnumbering protesters a bit at best.[/color][/quote]
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[quote]Hell even amongst Communists you have the differing ideologies of: - Leninism, Council communism, Anarchist communism, Stalinism, Trotskyism, Primitive communism, Titoism, Maoism, Juche, and Eurocommunism.[/quote]


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Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front?
Reg: Fuck off!
Brian: What?
Reg: Judean People's Front! We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front! Cuh!
Francis: Splitters.
Brian: Can I... join your group?
Reg: Nah, piss off.
Brian: I didn't want to sell this stuff, it's only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody!
Judith: Are you sure?
Brian: Oh, dead sure! I hate the Romans already!
Reg: Listen. If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.
Brian: I do!
Reg: Oh, yeah, how much?
Brian: A lot!
Reg: [brief pause] Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.
Stan: Yeah, the Judean People's Front.
Reg: Yeah. Splitters.
Stan: And the Popular Front of Judea.
Reg: Yeah. Splitters.
Stan: And the People's Front of Judea.
Reg: Yea... what?
Stan: The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
Reg: We're the People's Front of Judea!
Stan: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
Reg: People's Front!
Francis: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
Reg: He's over there. [points to a lone man]
Reg, Stan, Francis, Judith: SPLITTER!
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[quote name='Lawman' post='462025' date='Mar 25 2007, 10:35 AM'][i].. and I have stated that others say YOUR NUMBERS ARE WRONG!!![/i]

[b]However, reaching the protest staging site next to the Lincoln Memorial at 11:00 -- an hour before the protestors were slated to begin marching to the Pentagon -- I found the field nearly empty[/b].

[i]Remember this argument on the staging area[/i]?

[img]http://bp3.blogger.com/_EoaekWnLvZc/Rf2UcWQTk8I/AAAAAAAAALc/VhB3EXqW4hc/s320/20070317_MarchOnPentagon_%20022-edited.jpg[/img][/quote]

[color="#556B2F"][b]- The protest was set to start @ 12:00 .... the march ended up starting at around 12:30 ...

- The march did not begin at the Vietnam wall ... 30,000 people can not fit in that small area you are showing ... and so the police has a very large field already set up that was 15 times the size of the Vietnam wall field ... and that was where people started collecting up before the march. Also the plan was never to start right at the wall .... the plan was to symbolically start NEAR the wall and march to the Pentagon. You can not fit the large amount of people that were there near the wall. [/b][/color]






[quote name='Lawman' post='462025' date='Mar 25 2007, 10:35 AM']Across the street stood several thousand counter-demonstrators,[/quote]

[color="#556B2F"][b][size=3]:blink: Several thousand [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] ..... ok well just show me one picture showing more than 200 then[/size] .... that shouldn't be to hard .... :contract: hell try 100 .... or better yet show me one major news outlet that wants to go out and say several thousand even ... Hell even Fox News ? [/b]

[b]I got to the large field for the protest at about 11:15 .... and I saw at that time ... maybe 150 Pro War people there ... and already about 10-15,000 Anti war protestors.



[color="#FF0000"][u]Look .... I am just not use to people blatantly lying in reference to an event I was personally at ....[/u][/color] but hell maybe I should get use to it. Maybe this is the future of small blog media .... where any dickwad with a computer can post something untrue ... and then if it goes along with someones pre concieved notions ... then it will enter the echo chamber and before too long this dick shiner will have changed the truth.

Hell the large media might have been doing it for a long time .... so now maybe the Malkins of the world are joining in. [/b][/color]

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[size=3][color="#008080"][center][b]I am sure Lawmans head almost explodes with fury when he watches this video ...[/b][/color][/size]


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[quote name='BlackJesus' post='462149' date='Mar 25 2007, 12:34 PM'][size=3][color="#008080"][b]I am sure Lawmans head almost explodes with fury when he watches this video ...[/b][/color][/size][/quote]

Pretty powerful...But it would have been a hell of a lot better if there were veteran biker patriots there to beat the peace and love out of those communist hippies.

:0stfu:

:sheriff:

BZ

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[color="#483D8B"][size=5][b]It looks like I sparked a movement :ninja: .... [/b][/size][/color]



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