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[quote name='Rumble in the Jungle' post='479493' date='Apr 29 2007, 05:04 PM']you know i can't eat pork :contract:[/quote]



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Well bring you and Ikota some lamb. :thumbsup:

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[quote name='GoBengals' post='479456' date='Apr 29 2007, 09:43 PM']adams cant play 3 plays in a row or stay healthy, and we are no where near any kind of cap trouble, even keeping smith at nearly 9 million.

adams was a huge mistake,[/quote]

Erm. I thought we all knew this. Obviously apart from BJ and his love for blubbery man-flesh.

Adams was washed up about two years before we got him and has shown nothing, absolutely nothing, since he got here.

Oh and Justin is a great player. People seem to want double-digit sack guys. But that's one sack extra every two games. As if one extra stop for a loss in 120 plays will make all that difference. Sacks are over-rated. *waits for flames*
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[quote]15. Mataifale (Matt) Toeaina, Oregon (3-4 DE)

6' 2" 305

Versatile, heady and hard working. Has a good motor and pursues well. Comes off the line quick and low and gets good leverage. Can pressure the pocket with both power and quickness. Possesses good strength and plays very physical. Can be disruptive versus the run and can hold his ground at point of attack. Good lateral mobility and balance. Uses good footwork and can run stunts well. Good nose for the ball. Very talented, well-rounded and appears to love the game… but should be better. Two-gap player who can be used at a number of positions on the line. Sleeper. Fifth/sixth rounder. Similar to: Brentson Buckner.[/quote]

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[quote name='Jamie_B' post='479495' date='Apr 29 2007, 05:05 PM'][img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]:rofl:[img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]:rofl:[img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]

Well bring you and Ikota some lamb. :thumbsup:[/quote]

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[quote name='VonBlade' post='479306' date='Apr 29 2007, 03:15 PM']Peko is a beast. If this guy is half a Peko we've got a stud.[/quote]

no, peko is a promising young reserve, who showed some upside as a rookie. he has a long way to go before he reaches "beast" status. overall his play has been quite pedestrian. let's not get carried away here.


[quote name='Scoutforlife591' post='479312' date='Apr 29 2007, 03:18 PM']This is a pick of him returning a turnover.

Ring a bell?

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no, who?
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[quote name='bengaled' post='479752' date='Apr 29 2007, 10:20 PM']no, peko is a promising young reserve, who showed some upside as a rookie. he has a long way to go before he reaches "beast" status. overall his play has been quite pedestrian. let's not get carried away here.
no, who?[/quote]

i think your both wrong, but your closer, he was no beast, but is on his way, he was hardly "pedestrian" for a rookie, the "for a rookie" part is key, a few plays, a few series a year of "learning" will make a guy look pedestrian, we would survive if he were thrown to the wolves this year and in a starting role, but another year with learning behind JT and co, and he will be ready to rock.
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[quote name='globetrotter' post='479470' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:49 PM']I think you are spot on here and I am guilty of undervaluing JT. The reason for this is that JT never lived up to expectations. So the obvious reaction is get rid of him. To do so is to ignore the fact that currently he may be and probably is our best DT.
Maybe he can unbraid it like Pekos![/quote]


what a sorry state of affairs. they're neither one worth a fuck. that's why a very pedestrian peko appeared to show so much promise in his rookie season. we have the worst set of starting DT's in the league. at least adams can claim he was injured last year, but i'll only fall for that crap one time. this season is your last chance to put up or shut up, sam. play ball like you know how to or go run your semi-pro team. JT probably was our best DT last year, since adams couldn't keep his fat ass on the field. that thought's enough to make me lose my dinner. upper 35% my ass. what, for DT's his age? even so, that would still be hard to believe. i see better than i hear.
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[quote name='bengaled' post='479792' date='Apr 29 2007, 11:13 PM']what a sorry state of affairs. they're neither one worth a fuck. that's why a very pedestrian peko appeared to show so much promise in his rookie season. we have the worst set of starting DT's in the league. at least adams can claim he was injured last year, but i'll only fall for that crap one time. this season is your last chance to put up or shut up, sam. play ball like you know how to or go run your semi-pro team. JT probably was our best DT last year, since adams couldn't keep his fat ass on the field. that thought's enough to make me lose my dinner. upper 35% my ass. what, for DT's his age? even so, that would still be hard to believe. [b]i see better than i hear.[/b][/quote]


you must be deaf as fuck.
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[quote name='GoBengals' post='479763' date='Apr 29 2007, 10:26 PM']i think your both wrong, but your closer, he was no beast, but is on his way, he was hardly "pedestrian" for a rookie, the "for a rookie" part is key, a few plays, a few series a year of "learning" will make a guy look pedestrian, we would survive if he were thrown to the wolves this year and in a starting role, but another year with learning behind JT and co, and he will be ready to rock.[/quote]

i'll go this far...peko's the only bright star on the horizon, he's rising and certainly hasn't leveled off yet. i don't think he's the most talent tackle i've ever seen. he does play with a fire in his belly and it's refreshing to see a tackle do that. he was the only interior guy that played with any intensity. everyone else appeared to be just punching a timeclock and collecting their paycheck.
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[u][b]JT's NFL RANKINGS[/b][/u]

24th in nfl DT's in tackles - 37.5 percentile (i suppose you can split hairs over the 2.5% if you really want to.)

he was tied for 34th/35th for sacks, 54th percentile, which puts him 1 sack out of 32nd percentile.

top 18th percentile, 10th, in pass deflections,

tied for 3rd place in forced fumbles top 5th percentile.

11th in tackle assist, top 18th percentile.


per: [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats[/url]
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[quote name='GoBengals' post='479804' date='Apr 29 2007, 11:38 PM'][u][b]JT's NFL RANKINGS[/b][/u]

24th in nfl DT's in tackles - 37.5 percentile (i suppose you can split hairs over the 2.5% if you really want to.)

he was tied for 34th/35th for sacks, 54th percentile, which puts him 1 sack out of 32nd percentile.

top 18th percentile, 10th, in pass deflections,

tied for 3rd place in forced fumbles top 5th percentile.

11th in tackle assist, top 18th percentile.
per: [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats[/url][/quote]


not to mention durability, having missed 1 single game in the last 5 years, 6 of his 8 years in the NFL he missed ZERO GAMES, 1 years, last year, he missed 1, once, ever, has he missed more than 1 game.
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[quote name='GoBengals' post='479804' date='Apr 29 2007, 11:38 PM'][u][b]JT's NFL RANKINGS[/b][/u]

24th in nfl DT's in tackles - 37.5 percentile (i suppose you can split hairs over the 2.5% if you really want to.)

he was tied for 34th/35th for sacks, 54th percentile, which puts him 1 sack out of 32nd percentile.

top 18th percentile, 10th, in pass deflections,

tied for 3rd place in forced fumbles top 5th percentile.

11th in tackle assist, top 18th percentile.
per: [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats[/url][/quote]

you can't judge and rank a DT off some bullshit stat sheet. you judge them on how they hold the point of attack on run downs, and how well they're able to generate pressure on passing downs. i saw the QB step up in thornton's lane so many times last year i damned near stomped a hole in the floor, and it was like watching a tape of years past. i actually believe the word is out around the league as to how to beat this defense, because i see so many different teams doing the same thing, week after week. our ends work their asses off to get to the qb, only to see him negate that ggod effort by moving up in the pocket.....over and over and over like we're in that fucking groundhog day movie.

you can list all the stats you want, but you'll NEVER convince me he's an upper tier undertackle....NEVER!

is this guy a personal confidant of yours? really, i'm curious...and i don't mean for you to take that in a bad way.
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[quote name='GoBengals' post='479807' date='Apr 29 2007, 11:40 PM']not to mention durability, having missed 1 single game in the last 5 years, 6 of his 8 years in the NFL he missed ZERO GAMES, 1 years, last year, he missed 1, once, ever, has he missed more than 1 game.[/quote]

now THAT i will grant you.
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[quote name='bengaled' post='479852' date='Apr 30 2007, 12:30 AM']you can't judge and rank a DT off some bullshit stat sheet. you judge them on how they hold the point of attack on run downs, and how well they're able to generate pressure on passing downs. i saw the QB step up in thornton's lane so many times last year i damned near stomped a hole in the floor, and it was like watching a tape of years past. i actually believe the word is out around the league as to how to beat this defense, because i see so many different teams doing the same thing, week after week. our ends work their asses off to get to the qb, only to see him negate that ggod effort by moving up in the pocket.....over and over and over until it's like a fucking groundhog day syndrome.

you can list all the stats you want, but you'll NEVER convince me he's an upper tier undertackle....NEVER!

is this guy a personal confidant of yours? really, i'm curious...and i don't mean that in a bad way.[/quote]

I would agree that you cant judge a DT completely off of a stat sheet because usually they dont get the chance to make tackles and plays because they are eating up lineman etc. But how do you then explain why he has so many tackles?

And when did he say he was an upper tier under tackle. He said he was our best tackle. He said that his stats were 24th best among tackles in tackles and he lists various other stats. The upper tier must be quite expansive if you infer he is saying Thornton is an upper tier tackle from those stats.
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[quote name='GoBengals' post='479763' date='Apr 29 2007, 10:26 PM']i think your both wrong, but your closer, he was no beast, but is on his way, he was hardly "pedestrian" for a rookie, the "for a rookie" part is key, a few plays, a few series a year of "learning" will make a guy look pedestrian, we would survive if he were thrown to the wolves this year and in a starting role, but another year with learning behind JT and co, and he will be ready to rock.[/quote]

Peko was avtive at a position where no one else was.
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[quote name='bengaled' post='479852' date='Apr 30 2007, 12:30 AM']you can't judge and rank a DT off some bullshit stat sheet. you judge them on how they hold the point of attack on run downs, and how well they're able to generate pressure on passing downs. i saw the QB step up in thornton's lane so many times last year i damned near stomped a hole in the floor, and it was like watching a tape of years past. i actually believe the word is out around the league as to how to beat this defense, because i see so many different teams doing the same thing, week after week. our ends work their asses off to get to the qb, only to see him negate that ggod effort by moving up in the pocket.....over and over and over like we're in that fucking groundhog day movie.

you can list all the stats you want, but you'll NEVER convince me he's an upper tier undertackle....NEVER!

is this guy a personal confidant of yours? really, i'm curious...and i don't mean for you to take that in a bad way.[/quote]

I'm just happy that we have you to break it all down for us...Otherwise, we'd think JT was an pro-bowl DT.

I look forward to seeing your draft book next year...And maybe you can even send it in to a few teams. They could use your eagle eye.

BZ
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[size=3][b]Round six: Matt Toeaina, DT, Oregon[/b][/size]
BY KEVIN KELLY | KKELLY@ENQUIRER.COM


Bengals defensive line coach Jay Hayes watched last season's game between Oregon and Oklahoma as part of his overall evaluation of Matt Toeaina.

The Oregon senior started at defensive end.

"The running back from Oklahoma made a run and cut to the outside and Matt ran with him step for step and ended up tackling him," Hayes said. "I thought that was pretty athletic for a guy that's 310 pounds to be able to do that with the frontrunner for the Heisman Trophy at the time."


The Oklahoma running back was Adrian Peterson, who on Saturday was the seventh overall selection in the NFL Draft. The Bengals selected Toeaina, who will be a project at defensive tackle, in the sixth round Sunday with the 187th overall pick.

"I think that play is what it's all about - never giving up," said Toeaina, who is listed at 6-feet-2 and 307 pounds. "That's the attitude you've got to have consistently. I think that's what makes the difference between good and great players."

Toeaina was born in San Francisco but grew up in American Samoa. He attended the same high school (Samoana) as Bengals defensive tackle Domata Peko and knows Bengals defensive end Jonathan Fanene, who attended Tafuna High in American Samoa.

"There are things he'll need to improve on," Hayes said. "When you're dealing with these young men from Samoa, like Fanene and Peko, they haven't played football a whole lot. But they just continue to get better.

"The history with them, so far, has been that they continue to improve. So, hopefully, it will be the same thing with Matt."

Toeaina committed to Oregon as a fullback, but quickly grew large enough to warrant a move to the defensive line.

Last season, he started 11 games and played in 13 and recorded 36 total tackles. Toeaina finished his career at Oregon with 86 tackles, including 13 for a loss, and had 4 1/2 quarterback sacks through his junior season.

"He's a good, young prospect," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said, "and a good guy to kind of shape and mold and coach and mature into being a top-level defensive tackle."[/quote]





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