[quote name='KoKaine777' post='510656' date='Jul 13 2007, 11:17 PM']I don't see that Pollack has any potential. He hasn't proven anything. And he hasn't shown that he was anything special playing in the NFL. We have seen him 100% healthy and he hasn't impressed me. He has never played at a extraordinary level and will not ever again play at the mediocre level he played at when healthy. [color="#FF0000"]He is done,over sit him out for pasture.[/color] Why you think that has something to do with race says something about you , was very telling.

You can't make anyone like Pollack,nor can you make him better than he was.. it don't work like that. I wish him well in life, and he may play football again, but not with the Bengals.[/quote]


Is that your professional Medical Opinion?

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='510491' date='Jul 13 2007, 02:11 PM']Your hater nature gets the better of you on this topic.

Pollack had never played LB before, there is a learning curve, when it comes to learning coverage when you have never done that. Boleware in his rookie year had ZERO passes defended and ZERO ints. Pollack "who cant cover anyone" at least had one pass defended.

Do you even know what a sam backer does in Marvin's D? You really think Odell can put his arm down and act as a DE? Give me a break.

IF Hobson's articles are to be believed then Brooks would have been a top pick in the first round this year. I think he will be good, but he hasnt done more than Pollack has YET.

[b]Just stop.[/b][/quote]

NEVER! [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/19.gif[/img]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='510664' date='Jul 13 2007, 11:38 PM']Is that your professional Medical Opinion? [/quote]


Yes...truth is everything he has said,points to him being afraid to play again. wanting to change positions,etc etc.

[quote][size=3][b]Pollack sidelined for '07[/b]
But recovering linebacker hasn't ruled out return later[/size]
BY MARK CURNUTTE | MCURNUTTE@ENQUIRER.COM


David Pollack will not play for the Bengals - this year.

The Bengals announced Friday that the linebacker would not play in 2007, but Pollack has not made a final decision about whether he will play again at all.

Pollack suffered a neck fracture while making a tackle early in the Bengals' game against the Cleveland Browns last Sept. 17. He missed the remainder of the season and underwent surgery to repair the fracture Jan. 3. His recovery is ongoing, and he suffered no paralysis.

"I'm grateful for my recovery to this point, and I'm working every day to get my full strength back," Pollack said in a statement issued by the Bengals' public relations department. "Any final decision on football is still down the road for me."

The statement also quoted head coach Marvin Lewis, who never has hidden his fondness for Pollack as a player and as a person.

"David and the team agree that he is not physically ready to play this season," Lewis said. "He is working extremely hard and will continue focusing his efforts on rehabilitating with our medical staff."

No roster move regarding Pollack is necessary at this point. He is among 81 signed players on the team's offseason roster.

Pollack continues to receive the benefits of a Bengals player.

"He is a member of the roster in full standing at this point," Bengals public relations director Jack Brennan told The Enquirer. "There's nothing to discuss about his contract at this point."

Pollack is scheduled to make a base salary of $535,000 in 2007. Players receive that money in 17 game checks, delivered on Mondays after games and after the bye week.

Pollack's salary cap number would be $1.85 million, counting the amortized amount written off from his 2005 rookie signing bonus.

Pollack, from the University of Georgia, was the Bengals' top draft choice in 2005, selected 17th overall. He played in 14 games with five starts as a rookie but was limited to two games last season.[/quote]



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no potential?

done?

not that good in the first place?

it is your opinion that he wasn't that good in the first place... frankly, i think that is ignorant but that is your opinion.. but saying he has no potential? that is flat out dumb talk...

[quote name='A-Men-HouseofPain' post='510688' date='Jul 14 2007, 12:44 AM']NEVER! [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//19.gif[/img][/quote]



[quote name='KoKaine777' post='510715' date='Jul 14 2007, 03:47 AM']Yes...truth is everything he has said,points to him being afraid to play again. wanting to change positions,etc etc.[/quote]


dont know about all that, but well see.

I couldn`t disagree more with this Writer`s opinion that Pollack should just quit . . .


[quote][size=5][b]Time for Pollack to drop football[/b][/size]
By Jeff Schultz | Saturday, July 14, 2007, 03:39 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Sometimes, they can’t see the end. Sometimes, the gifts that had carried them erode and descend to mere mortal levels. Or injuries suddenly interrupt the natural order or things. But great athletes — sometimes they can’t see it.

They don’t look at the tape. Or the stopwatch. Or the X-rays.

The invincibility gene tells them: “They doubted you before. Show them it’s not over.”

David Pollack will not play football this year. Medical logical says he’ll probably never play again. Pollack doesn’t see that end, but don’t be surprised. It’s residue of the same character traits that enabled him to get as far as he did.

He hated hearing how he was a classic overachiever, even if he was, because it came off as a back-hand at his athletic ability. But he was recruited to Georgia as an ordinary fullback. Mark Richt’s assessment: a good “program player.” Might as well have called him a kicking tee.

Four years later, Pollack left as the most embraced athlete in Athens since Herschel. He was a three-time All-American on defense, not because he looked like or ran like a lab experiment, but because his energy and enthusiasm and sense for the game seemed unparalleled.

“We still show highlights of him in meetings,” Georgia defensive coordinator Willie Martinez said. “When you want to talk to a player about work ethic or technique or anything, it’s easy enough to just pop in a tape and say, ‘Here’s how to do it. Here’s how David Pollack did it.’ “

Sometimes, they can’t see the end.

Sometimes, they’re not looking.

Ten months ago, Pollack suffered a broken neck. If he delivered the mail, resuming his career might not be out of the question. But the play that caused the injury, a tackle on Cleveland running back Reuben Droughns, was nothing extraordinary by NFL or David Pollack standards. Trying to come back against all odds to make that same tackle and others like it makes no sense. This is life we’re talking about.

The Cincinnati Bengals announced Friday that Pollack would not play this season because, not surprisingly, his recovery from January surgery to repair the fractured C6 vertebra, wasn’t satisfactory to play linebacker in the NFL. Pollack acknowledged as much in his statement, but said: “Any final decision on football is still down the road for me.”

Let’s hope he eventually sees the stop sign.

[b]Martinez saw Pollack at the Bulldogs’ spring game and two weeks ago at a fundraiser. “You would have never known anything was wrong with him,” he said. “You couldn’t tell he had surgery on his neck by the way he was carrying himself. He still had the same positive outlook on life.”[/b]

The two didn’t speak about the player’s future, but Martinez said: [b]“I would never say never to David Pollack. I’ve seen him overcome the statements and opinions. He knows what he wants and we’ve seen what happens when he puts his mind to something. I’m sure he’ll be smart about things.[/b]

[b]“He’s obviously a very driven person. It can’t be easy for a guy like that to walk away, if that’s what it comes to. But he’ll do what’s best for him and his family. He’s a smart guy and a man of faith. That hasn’t changed. That’s the David Pollack I know.”[/b]

This isn’t about money. Pollack’s $12.95 million rookie contract had $7.65 million in guarantees. If he wanted to, he could go into coach. Or run for mayor of Athens.

His career was far greater than expected in college. His career may be far shorter than expected in the NFL. But sometimes will and desire and attitude take you only so far. Sometimes you have to get past the ego, past the I’ll-show-you attitude, past the athletic arrogance that helped carry you in the past.

It’s that time for David Pollack. If he doesn’t see it, maybe it’s because he’s not looking.[/quote]




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To me this shit is really very simple. Pollack will go through a period of rehabilitation. Then his doctors will give his neck a thorough examination. If they determine that the previous injury means that he's at a higher risk of paralysis or permanent neck damage, then he will never football again. If the risk is pretty much the same as before the injury, then my guess is that a competitor like Pollack will choose to play again. So bottom line, no one - including Pollack and his doctors - know right now what the final medical analysis will be. Depends on how everything heals and aligns itself. So it's kinda silly for us and some knucklehead sportswriter to say what will or even what should happen down the road.

Time, and only time, will tell.

[quote name='dex' post='510882' date='Jul 14 2007, 10:58 PM']To me this shit is really very simple. Pollack will go through a period of rehabilitation. Then his doctors will give his neck a thorough examination. If they determine that the previous injury means that he's at a higher risk of paralysis or permanent neck damage, then he will never football again. If the risk is pretty much the same as before the injury, then my guess is that a competitor like Pollack will choose to play again. So bottom line, no one - including Pollack and his doctors - know right now what the final medical analysis will be. Depends on how everything heals and aligns itself. So it's kinda silly for us and some knucklehead sportswriter to say what will or even what should happen down the road.

Time, and only time, will tell.[/quote]


and bingo was his name oh

b-i-n-g-o

b-i-n-g-o

b-i-n-g-o

and bingo was his name oh

He shouldn't and won't play the football ever again.

The Bengals can't just run him off after breaking his neck.

[quote name='WhoDeyThink' post='510897' date='Jul 15 2007, 01:05 AM']He shouldn't and won't play the football ever again.

The Bengals can't just run him off after breaking his neck.[/quote]


two completely untrue statements in just a single post, IMO.

after the surgery they stated it wasnt as bad as they originally thought and if he could return, the risk would be no more than with anyone else of getting hurt, but the level of damage would be more severe than the first time. so the odds of him getting hurt again are about the same as winning the lottory, so to say he cant and wont, is a bit hasty, afterall, no one is in better physical shape to recover from such an injury as a professional athlete, and if the risk is no higher than previously, he is at no more risk than anyone else strapping up sunday morning, why should he be at home playing bridge instead? clearly he has a love for football.

secondly, yes the bengals can just break his neck and run him off, contracts and agreements are in place for just this scenario, injury settle would land him all of his guarantee money and probably 4-5 mil more in an injury settlement, and he is gone off the books within the next offseason, hell he could already be done and gone from our cap hit right now...

i think david tries a comeback, and either mentally or physically cont continue and maybe hits a few teams in the waver wire and flutters out of the picture, or comes back and plays well as a backup, i solid backup, its hard to iamgine a full recovery from something like this, but the kid seems determined.

i work with a few guys who dont "get it" and say things like "hell as long as he is "trying" to come back the team has to pay him" which isnt remotely true. he would get more from a settlement than BSing a recovery. if there were no chance of his return, the team would cut ties already... tho they have a history of loyalty in such situations...

I am not sure at this point if Pollack will come back or not to the NFL. But, if he does, where will he play? I thougth I remembered him saying he wanted to play DE if he came back. If he does, would it be possible to let Justin Smith go and slide Pollack in at DE? I am assuming someone will throw a ton of money at Smith next offseason and we will not sign him.

Just a thought....

Pollack did say that he would rather play DE when he returns, but what he wants doesn't really matter. He has just never had enough practice time to get comfortable at LB. By the time he joined the team his rookie year they were only practicing in pads a couple of hours twice a week. He was also bothered by small nagging injuries during the season, spring drills, and the next years training camp. I don't know if he will ever develope into a great LB, but he will practice wherever Marvin wants him. Pollack is one of the most physically gifted players in the league with an icredible work ethic. If he recovers 100% he will be a star. Where he plays depends on how other players develope at LB and DE.

From Pro Football Weekly . . .

[quote][size=3][b]Bengals OLB Pollack to miss '07 season[/b][/size]

Bengals OLB David Pollack will miss the 2007 season as he recovers from a broken vertebra in his neck suffered last September. Pollack, a first-round pick of the Bengals in 2005, wore a protective halo to stabilize the neck for months after the injury. The 6-2, 255-pound Pollack flashed potential as a rookie in 2005, becoming a key part of the defense down the stretch and notching 4½ sacks. But at age 25, he faces a long road to return to the field.

[b]PFW: How does this news affect the Bengals' defense?[/b]

Wilkening: It was no secret that Pollack was a long shot to play this season and that he may never be back after suffering such a serious injury. Word is that if Pollack ever does return, it could be at defensive end, the position he played so well at the University of Georgia. So in the short term, the Bengals are relatively unaffected by this news. And in the long term, the Bengals can't count on a major contribution from Pollack.[/quote]


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Aw, cmon. Give the guy a break. He would have had to look at least 2 or 3 posts down the page to see the active thread with 100+ replies on this very same topic.

Cut me some slack, it's the offseason and the coaches still have about a week of vacation left. There isn't much else to talk about.

[quote name='fredtoast' post='510948' date='Jul 15 2007, 09:43 AM']Pollack did say that he would rather play DE when he returns, but what he wants doesn't really matter. He has just never had enough practice time to get comfortable at LB. By the time he joined the team his rookie year they were only practicing in pads a couple of hours twice a week. He was also bothered by small nagging injuries during the season, spring drills, and the next years training camp. I don't know if he will ever develope into a great LB, but he will practice wherever Marvin wants him. Pollack is one of the most physically gifted players in the league with an icredible work ethic. If he recovers 100% he will be a star. Where he plays depends on how other players develope at LB and DE.[/quote]



I disagree, he was a star at Georgia but I have been thoroughly unimpressed with him in stripes, maybe it was the move to LB I dunno. I don't understand why most the people on here talk about him like he's a major key to our D when he basically hasn't done shit

[quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='510956' date='Jul 15 2007, 10:23 AM']Aw, cmon. Give the guy a break. He would have had to look at least 2 or 3 posts down the page to see the active thread with 100+ replies on this very same topic. [/quote]


And sift through 4 pages of muck to find the specific topic he's discussing. You guys really do need to give the guy a break. At least he's trying to put a little life in the forums.

On topic. You make an interesting point. I don't see Justin being with the team next year, and that means a spot will be open. A healthy Pollack could indeed find himself having an easier time getting on the field at DE than at linebacker. Things are starting to get rather stacked up at linebacker, and no one looks even remotely ready to take Justin's place (if anyone could even hint at replacing Justin, we certainly wouldn't have given him all that money).

I know Marvin's stance regarding Pollack saying he'd rather play DE, but Marvin needs to put forth that front to make sure it never appears he is bending to a player's will. However, a healthy Pollack will need to be on the field, and DE in 2008 is looking like the position in need of talent.

[quote name='Jungle1' post='510958' date='Jul 15 2007, 03:35 PM']Cut me some slack, it's the offseason and the coaches still have about a week of vacation left. There isn't much else to talk about.[/quote]
Just bustin yer balls. It's the offseason. There's not much else to do

I think we see Pollack in stripes @ LB next season. I just get the feeling he's going to be healthy, and he's going to play. Of course the question is where.

My hope is that he plays LB. He and Odell on the outside, and Brooks in the middle. Smith is gone at end, imo, but I dunno who will replace him. Frostee? Geathers? Fanene? 08 draft pick? I can see why some think Pollack will take Justin's spot @ end, but for some reason I just don't see it. Though it would leave room for Henderson @ OLB. Though he could take the end spot as well...

[quote name='oldschooler' post='510951' date='Jul 15 2007, 09:55 AM']And in the long term, the Bengals can't count on a major contribution from Pollack.[/quote]

nor did they ever.

[quote name='clydes3' post='510961' date='Jul 15 2007, 10:47 AM']I disagree, he was a star at Georgia but I have been thoroughly unimpressed with him in stripes, maybe it was the move to LB I dunno. [b]I don't understand why most the people on here talk about him like he's a major key to our D when he basically hasn't done shit[/b][/quote]

He has more potential than any player on our defense.

1 He was one of the most decorated defensive players in NCAA history playing against the toughest competition in the nation.

2. At the NFL combine he still weighed about 270 and ran the short shuttle FASTER THAN ANY DB THERE.

3. He switched to a new position as a rookie, had about 1/10th of the practice time of most rookies, suffered some nagging injuries and still was a key player for our defense by the end of the season. He had 6 tackles for loss in his last 7 games and was our best defensive player in the playoff game (8 tkls, 1 sack)

He has freakish physical ability, an amazing work ethic, and no character issues. I can't understand why everyone isn't drooling at the prospect of him 100% healthy with a full year's experience under his belt.

[quote name='A-Men-HouseofPain' post='510987' date='Jul 15 2007, 12:13 PM']nor did they ever. [/quote]

[quote name='fredtoast' post='511007' date='Jul 15 2007, 01:50 PM']He has more potential than any player on our defense.

1 He was one of the most decorated defensive players in NCAA history playing against the toughest competition in the nation.

2. At the NFL combine he still weighed about 270 and ran the short shuttle FASTER THAN ANY DB THERE.

3. He switched to a new position as a rookie, had about 1/10th of the practice time of most rookies, suffered some nagging injuries and still was a key player for our defense by the end of the season. He had 6 tackles for loss in his last 7 games and was our best defensive player in the playoff game (8 tkls, 1 sack)

He has freakish physical ability, an amazing work ethic, and no character issues. I can't understand why everyone isn't drooling at the prospect of him 100% healthy with a full year's experience under his belt.[/quote]

I want to see Pollack come back and play Defensive end in place of Justin Smith. Then have at lb Brooks in the middle with Henderson and Odell on the outside. This is after this coming season. The Bengals would have a serious pass rush.