Trade Chad? Lewis won't say

[MrOrange1219]

I also replied with:

"You also sidestepped all the other issues.

-Has the media turned on Chad and stabbed him in the back?
-Has anyone on the team said that Chad is a problem? If so, I want the name and when it was said.
-Is Chad doing anything differently NOW than he has since he's been in Cincinnati?
-Is Chad the problem on the Bengals? Does he play defense? Does he block for Carson on the line? Is he in charge of controlling the clock at the end of the halves?
-Has Chad produced on the field better than anyone not named Moss so far?

I really hope you're talking about this just because you want to have something hot and edgy to talk about, because if you actually think Chad is the problem and should be traded, you probably shouldn't be in the position you are in.

I wonder what it would be like if people would start blogging about the media in Cincinnati the way the media "reports" about Chad... Remember how fast those letters about the Bearcats and Buckeyes on Fountain square got around?"

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='oldschooler' post='576645' date='Oct 23 2007, 11:05 AM']It was an impromptu interview. The media followed Chad out to his car.
And he was trying to avoid them. He stopped before getting into his
car and as Chick Ludwig says in an artilce I posted in this thread [url="http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?showtopic=37895"][url="http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?showtopic=37895"]http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?showtopic=37895[/url][/url]
"poured out his emotion as rain pelted his sleek, black sedan."


I don`t think it was sarcasm though. I think Chad is happy in general.
[color="#FF0000"]He just can`t believe how the media turned on him so fast. Ecspecially Daugherty.[/color][/quote]


Then Chad is nieve. When they are winning stories about how Chad is a riot and not like TO or Moss at all sell, when they are losing stories about how he is the problem sell.

Chad would do better to not get too involved with the media period.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='GoBengals' post='576698' date='Oct 23 2007, 12:03 PM']chad not only threw a tantrum in the playoff game lockerroom but also at halftime of the patriots game this year....

arguing over sources is silly, i have had multiple confirmations on both instances, of course everyone is going to deny it publicly, and do you expect marv or carson to say in public there is a problem? honestly?

chad is a problem, but his benefit outweighs his distraction, 199 out of 200 times, some players love him some hate him, but no one can disrespect his talent and value. without chad tj is nothing and henry isnt as effective. but without carson chad isnt as good either, they all know they need eachother to be this successful.[/quote]


testify

[LudwigVan Kubrick]

best we could get for Chad would be a first round pick.

Would you pull the trigger and trade Chad for a 1st rounder?

I wouldn't.

Sure you might get a Jevon Kearse. Might get a Big Duddy Wilkenson too.

Trading the tangible for the intangible is not the path for success. Of course, this team is not on the path to success (on the field) anyway, so what is the real reason Chad won't get traded?

He fills the seats, win or lose.

[Jamie_B]

Chad isnt going anywhere. Just look at the enormous cap problems we would have if he got traded. If people are worried about "our window" now, imagine how quickly that window would close if he was traded.

[Farbeyonddriven]

If this team lets Chad go then they are nuttier than your grandma's fruit cake.

If anything the shitty ass Cincinnati "writers" are a distraction, Chad brings flare and heart to this team, these so called writers are nothing more than shit stirrers.


-E

[|Harley|]

Chad Johnson is one of the best players and ambassadors the Bengals have ever had. He's always positive, certainly no TO. Trading him would be one of the stupidest things they could ever do. Face it, he gains more publicity for this team and your city than any other player.

[MrOrange1219]

[quote name='MrOrange1219' post='576701' date='Oct 23 2007, 12:07 PM']I also replied with:

"You also sidestepped all the other issues.

-Has the media turned on Chad and stabbed him in the back?
-Has anyone on the team said that Chad is a problem? If so, I want the name and when it was said.
-Is Chad doing anything differently NOW than he has since he's been in Cincinnati?
-Is Chad the problem on the Bengals? Does he play defense? Does he block for Carson on the line? Is he in charge of controlling the clock at the end of the halves?
-Has Chad produced on the field better than anyone not named Moss so far?

I really hope you're talking about this just because you want to have something hot and edgy to talk about, because if you actually think Chad is the problem and should be traded, you probably shouldn't be in the position you are in.

I wonder what it would be like if people would start blogging about the media in Cincinnati the way the media "reports" about Chad... Remember how fast those letters about the Bearcats and Buckeyes on Fountain square got around?"[/quote]
I just got a response:
"Good stuff. Thanks"

[oldschooler]

[quote][size=5][b]On Chad and Marvin [/b][/size]

Some thoughts on the Chad Johnson situation and head coach Marvin Lewis' handling of it and the media:

-- Chad Johnson isn't the Bengals' biggest problem. He's far from the Bengals' biggest problem. Chad Johnson doesn't draft players, manage the salary cap or decide which end-of-career, bargain-basement free agents to pursue. I'm sure Chad Johnson would have loved for his team to aggressively pursue and sign linebacker Adalius Thomas, who ended up with the Patriots.

-- Chad Johnson is not the head coach, nor the offensive coordinator. Nor the defensive coordinator, for that matter.

-- If Chad Johnson were to be traded, T.J. Houshmandzadeh's productivity would decrease. Houshmandzadeh is an excellent receiver, a man worthy of respect for the self-made nature of his climb to stardom, but Johnson attracts a great deal of attention from defenses that helps create space and mismatches for Houshmandzadeh.

-- If you think Chris Henry could step and replace Johnson, you're wrong. Henry has proven not to be dependable. And Henry is one misstep from a even greater NFL discipline. Commissioner Roger Goodell said as much, and further punishment could include banishment.

-- Chad Johnson is not nearly the disruption that Terrell Owens or other wide receivers have been on their respective teams. Johnson works incredibly hard at practice and shows up to work on time every day.

-- Chad Johnson, last time I checked, doesn't play defense for the Bengals. And the defense, far and away, remains the biggest problem on this team. It shows no signs more signs of sustainable improvement now than it did in 2003 or 2004.

-- Is Chad Johnson a scape goat, or as Emmitt Smith said Monday on ESPN, an "escapegoat," for all of the Bengals' problems? Is Johnson a convenient distraction being used by the organization to deflect attention from the real issues of front office management and coaching? If Johnson is an internal problem, is the degree of that issue being exaggerated to deflect attention from an under-achieving team and coaching staff? I'm just asking the question here.

-- That said, Chad Johnson might very well be an internal disruption in the locker room. But I would say he has contributed much more to the organization than he has taken. I think he has made the Brown family a ton of money.

-- I think, and this is a possible attitude in the Bengals front office, that Drew Rosenhaus, Johnson's agent, is the choreographer of many of Johnson's antics -- the puppeteer, to some extent.

-- ESPN's Chris Mortensen is one of the top NFL reporters in the country. He wouldn't make up a Bengals source like the one that he said told him that the Bengals have discussed the possibility of trading Chad Johnson.

-- This is fact, not a complaint: Marvin Lewis is one of those NFL head coaches who treats the national media differently -- more favorably -- than the local media. It happens in other markets around the league; these coaches think they get more bang for their buck going nationally. Lewis has his pet national reporters, ones he receives with hugs (Michael Smith of ESPN, for example) on their visits, reporters that have "helped" him in the past, and he talks to them frequently. I don't want a hug, if that's what some of you are thinking. I just want relatively honest answers.

It's Lewis' prerogative to talk to whom he chooses. But he also insults his team's customers when he fails to communicate honestly with them -- hiding behind an often-bogus cloak of protecting competitive advantage -- through the local media, the primary source of information for Bengals' fans.

I don't take what I think is his evasive, often condescending attitude with us personally. I don't. He can answer our questions any way he chooses. In fact, I receive a lot of e-mail and phone calls from readers who want to know how the local media contingent resists telling Lewis to stick it sideways when he says we (and his customers) are too stupid to understand the basics of football or otherwise attempts to insult us.

For those radio listeners who think the only contact one of the beat reporters has with Lewis is during his news conferences, you're wrong. I can't speak for the other reporters, but the majority of my contact with Lewis is done on the side when there are no cameras or microphones around, one-on-one as often as possible. And for the most part, he is accessible. When I have something important to ask him, unless there is no other chance to talk to him that day, I won't ask it in a news conference.

And, finally, I have told this to Marvin directly: I respect him. I understand what he is trying to do with the Bengals; I don't think he gets much help upstairs, and while he might not need a general manager, he does need more sets of eyes in the scouting department (beyond the good scouts the club already has) to provide him with more and better information on players. I also think he is an intelligent man with an admirable work ethic. But I won't kiss his butt. If I did, I wouldn't be -- and I'm going to use one of his pet slogans -- doing my job. The relationship between newspaper reporter and source, by definition, is frequently awkward.

In fact, he sent word through a Bengals public relations employee that he disagreed with the thesis of my Sunday story -- that the high number of hamstring and groin pulls/strains suffered by Bengals players since Sept. 7 are largely preventable. OK, we can agree to disagree. I stand by the story. I approached Lewis about it directly last week. I asked to speak to his strength and conditioning coach, Chip Morton. I offered them plenty of time and space to tell their side. Morton declined in the end. But Lewis did talk.

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