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[quote name='oftt4' post='647959' date='Apr 2 2008, 11:59 PM']I completely agree with you. It is usually just the flavor of the month, which is why Ben was on these lists two years ago, then off them during the motorcycle year, then back on this year. I really only put it on here because "some" people on here put so much stock in these lists when Palmer is higher than Ben.

Oh...and I dont see Eli ever moving into the top 3 if he keeps performing the way he has been the last few years. One decent playoff run cant overcome 4 years of suckery.[/quote]


Yeah, I agree about Eli, but we both know that if they make a good run next season he'll be the "flavor of the month"
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wait... u guys know taking a sack, losing yards for your team, instead of being wise and getting rid of the ball and only taking the loss of the down would actually improve your qb rating, as you would have less incomplete passes due to not throwing the ball away...

i know i know this is all kind of confusing to you. common sense, basics of football, etc, etc.. deep stuff.
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[quote name='GoBengals' post='663897' date='May 8 2008, 12:14 AM']wait... u guys know taking a sack, losing yards for your team, instead of being wise and getting rid of the ball and only taking the loss of the down would actually improve your qb rating, as you would have less incomplete passes due to not throwing the ball away...

i know i know this is all kind of confusing to you. common sense, basics of football, etc, etc.. deep stuff.[/quote]


Wow, that is pretty confusing. So wait, how does rushing throws and leading the league in INT's help your team?


Ah....how I missed the playful banter. The school semester is over, my never ending project at work is finally done, dont have to worry about buying a house for a while, now I have plenty of time to come over here and get you guys riled up.
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[quote name='oftt4' post='664196' date='May 9 2008, 06:04 AM']Wow, that is pretty confusing. So wait, how does rushing throws and leading the league in INT's help your team?


Ah....how I missed the playful banter. [b]The school semester is over, my never ending project at work is finally done, dont have to worry about buying a house for a while, [/b]now I have plenty of time to come over here and get you guys riled up.[/quote]
Shitsburghnezee for Homeless and Unemployed.

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Oh gosh. You really got me.

I'm not from Pittsburgh though, sorry. I am from Maine, so if you are going to make an attempt at childish insults when you cant add any coherent arguments to a debate, at least make sure you are targeting the right geographic region.
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[quote name='oftt4' post='664988' date='May 13 2008, 03:46 AM']Oh gosh. You really got me.

I'm not from Pittsburgh though, sorry. I am from Maine, so if you are going to make an attempt at childish insults when you cant add any coherent arguments to a debate, at least make sure you are targeting the right geographic region.[/quote]
Sorry...Then I should have said that means he is an [b]East Coast,[/b] unemployed, homeless and because you are from Maine a [size=4][b]FAG[/b][/size]!
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There, at least you got the right region. But you got the facts wrong.

We arent "fags" (that would be Massachussetts where gay marriage is legal). We are "inbred".

We arent "white trash" we are backwoods hicks. White trash live in trailer parks, we live in cabins in the woods.

You did get the East Coast part right though, congratulations (though I am guessing you had to look at a map).
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[quote][size=5][b]Top 50: Chill, New England, there's no denying Brady now[/b][/size]
June 25, 2008
By Pete Prisco
CBSSports.com Senior Writer



I finally gave in, and some will say I had no choice. Not this year.

Tom Brady is the top-ranked player in the NFL. He earned it in 2007.

After balking at putting Brady there the past few years, infuriating the New England region by making Peyton Manning the top-rated player, helping to land me on the list of the least-liked people in Chowder-head country, I have finally done what many of those angry people have waited a few years to see.

Brady, glamour-boy quarterback of the New England Patriots, has edged past Manning in my rankings of the top 50 players in the NFL.

It's close, but coming off Brady's sensational, record-setting season, coupled with Manning being forced to play without his top receiver for most of last year, Brady has to take over as king of the NFL.

Brady broke Manning's single-season record for touchdown passes with 50 in 2007. Fifty. Brady also threw for a league-leading 4,806 yards and topped the NFL in completion percentage (68.9) and passer rating (117.2).

It was a magical season, comparable to the one Manning had in 2004. That year Manning threw 49 touchdown passes, had a completion-percentage of 67.6, threw for 4,557 yards and had a passer rating of 121.1.

Manning had an off year, by number standards, in 2007. All he did was go over 4,000 yards passing for the eighth time in his career, throw 31 touchdowns and complete 65.5 percent of his passes, much of that without receiver Marvin Harrison on the field.

Most quarterbacks would kill for those numbers.

The great thing is we expect Manning and Brady to do it again in 2008. Why not? Brady has his entire offense back, a coach who lets him throw it around at will, and another year's experience on his résumé. Manning expects to have Harrison back, and third receiver Anthony Gonzalez isn't a rookie anymore.

The first man to 40 touchdown passes wins.

Manning and Brady remain 1-2 in my rankings, only this time they are flip-flopped.

Tom Brady earned it.

It's about time, some will say. Right, New England?

1. Tom Brady, QB, New England Patriots: Can he do any more than he did last season? The scary thing for the rest of the league is, yes he can.

2. Peyton Manning, QB, Indianapolis Colts: Even Manning's down seasons are sensational. If Marvin Harrison is back this year, watch out.

3. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, San Diego Chargers: His failure to play in the AFC Championship Game hurts his rep some, but he's still the best runner in the game.

4. Randy Moss, WR, New England Patriots: Talk about resurrecting a reputation. He wasn't on many top 50 lists a year ago. Now he's a top 10 player.


There is nobody better at cover corner than Champ Bailey. (Getty Images)
5. Champ Bailey, CB, Denver Broncos: It's chic to pick his game apart. That's foolish. Bailey is still the best cover corner in the game.

6. Mario Williams, DE, Houston Texans: Williams is making the Texans proud for passing on Reggie Bush and Vince Young to take this pass rusher. He might have been the league's best defensive player in the final eight weeks of 2007.

7. Bob Sanders, S, Indianapolis Colts: The only thing holding him back is the injury issues. When he's on the field, the Colts have a different defense.

[color="#FF0000"][b]8. Carson Palmer, QB, Cincinnati Bengals:[/b] [size=4]After Brady and Manning he's the third-best quarterback.[/size] The Bengals need to run it a little better to take the heat off him. [/color]

9. DeMarcus Ware, OLB, Dallas Cowboys: He was given more freedom in Wade Phillips' version of the 3-4 and played better in 2007. Ware is a speed rusher who has his best football still in front of him.

10. Kevin Williams, DT, Minnesota Vikings: He is a powerful inside player who teams with Pat Williams to form the best tackle tandem in the league. He is good against the run, yet quick enough to get pass-rush penetration.

11. Shawne Merriman, LB, San Diego Chargers: Merriman is a pass-rush force off the edge. His quickness and power are the perfect combination for the Chargers' 3-4 system. You have to account for him on every pass play.

12. Jared Allen, DE, Minnesota Vikings: He led the league in sacks last season with the Chiefs. The Vikings added him to give them the best defensive line in the league. Allen plays hard all the time.

13. Terrell Owens, WR, Dallas Cowboys: Forget all the theatrics. He's a star player. He bounced back from his off 2006 season to be one of the best last season. I'd take him on my team any day.

14. Albert Haynesworth, DT, Tennessee Titans: Before he got hurt midway through last season, he was on his way to a potential Defensive Player of the Year award. When motivated, he is as good as anybody inside.

15. Adrian Peterson, RB, Minnesota Vikings: Peterson was special as a rookie and should be even better this time around. He is a big, strong and fast and can rip off the big runs with an Eric Dickerson-like ease.

16. Walter Jones, T, Seattle Seahawks: Jones is a rock on the left side of the Seattle line. He is a great pass protector who has improved as a run blocker.

17. Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Pittsburgh Steelers: At 26, he's entering his prime. Roethlisberger has developed into a quality passer. Playing behind a bad line last year, he hung in tough and led the Steelers to a division title.

18. Charles Woodson, CB, Green Bay Packers: Ask Packers insiders who was better last season, Woodson or Pro Bowl player Al Harris. The answer is Woodson. After Bailey, I'd take him over all other corners.

19. Steve Hutchinson, G, Minnesota Vikings: He wasn't his usual self in his first season with the Vikings in 2006, but bounced back to his dominating form last year.

20. Brian Westbrook, RB, Philadelphia Eagles: It's scary to think what the Eagles offense would be like without him. He's a better runner inside the tackles than many expected and he's good in the passing game. He's a versatile weapon.

21. Steve Smith, WR, Carolina Panthers: He was hurt last season when Jake Delhomme went down. It doesn't help that Smith has little help on the other side. Defenses all double him.

22. Reggie Wayne, WR, Indianapolis Colts: When Marvin Harrison was out last season, Wayne emerged as the team's go-to receiver. The guess here is that is that it stays that way. He's a true star now.

23. Ed Reed, S, Baltimore Ravens: He is the prototype modern safety: rangy and can still tackle. He is what safeties like Roy Williams wish they could be.


Antonio Gates is so dangerous that double coverage can't stop him. (Getty Images)
24. Antonio Gates, TE, San Diego Chargers: When the Chargers need a first down through the air, Gates is that guy. And he does it facing constant double-coverage.

25. Dwight Freeney, DE, Indianapolis Colts: He's coming off a serious foot injury, which is a concern. It's why his ranking is down. When he's truly healthy, he's a top 15 player.

26. Andre Johnson, WR, Houston Texans: Injuries limited him last season, but Johnson is one of the best when he's on the field. The Texans were a different team without him last season.

27. Jason Peters, T, Buffalo Bills: I love young, rising players like Peters. He plays with a mean streak. Watching him play is like watching a defensive player go at it.

[b]28. Chad Johnson, WR, Cincinnati Bengals: [/b]He isn't nearly as good as he thinks he is. But he's still pretty damn good. He does have a tendency to disappear in big games.

29. Nmandi Asomugha, CB, Oakland Raiders: DeAngelo Hall might get more attention on the other side this season, but Asomugha is a better player. He's been overlooked for the past two seasons.

30. Richard Seymour, DE, New England Patriots: He played hurt last season and wasn't the same player as in years past. But he's still one of the best when he's healthy.

31. Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Arizona Cardinals: The Cardinals gave him a new contract in March because he's their go-to guy. He teams with Anquan Boldin to form one of the top receiving duos.

32. Brian Urlacher, LB, Chicago Bears: A few years back he was overrated. He's not anymore. Urlacher excels in the middle of the Chicago defense.

33. Steven Jackson, RB, St. Louis Rams: The offensive line woes of the Rams really hurt Jackson last season. That line will be better this season and his numbers will go up.

34. Braylon Edwards, WR, Cleveland Browns: Edwards was second to Moss with 16 receiving touchdowns in his third season in the league. He averaged 16.1 per catch and will only get better as he hits his prime.

35. Drew Brees, QB, New Orleans Saints: For the second consecutive season, Brees put up huge numbers in the Saints offense. He might not be the biggest or have the strongest arm, but Brees knows how to throw the football.

36. Tommie Harris, DT, Chicago Bears: Harris is strong and quick. He had eight sacks last season, showing off his quickness. He can still hold the point against the run.

37. Asante Samuel, CB, Philadelphia Eagles: He had a big season at the right time, cashing in on a huge deal with the Eagles. He's great at playing the ball in the air, but some scouts think he freelances too much.

38. Shawn Andrews, G, Philadelphia Eagles: He's a huge guard at 6-4, 345 pounds and he shows off that power when blocking for the run. He improved in pass protection in 2007, although the Eagles line regressed as a whole.

39. Ernie Sims, LB, Detroit Lions: It's too bad more people don't get to watch him play. He's a fast linebacker who always seems to find his way to the football. He's a younger Derrick Brooks.

40. Lofa Tatupu, LB, Seattle Seahawks: He's a fierce tackler in the middle of that Seattle defense. He's not big at 6-feet tall, but he plays big. You can tell he loves the game.

41. Vince Wilfork, DT, New England Patriots: He was the best front-seven player on the Pats defense last season. He's a load in the middle. Moving him off the ball is tough for any center.

42. Osi Umenyiora, DE, New York Giants: His speed off the right side is a huge plus for the New York defense. Without Mike Strahan playing on the other side this season, it will be interesting to see how Umenyiora does now.

43. Patrick Willis, LB, San Francisco 49ers: It didn't take him long to establish himself as a top middle linebacker. He is fast, active and packs a punch. In a year or so, he might be the best insider linebacker in the game.

44. Kellen Winslow, TE, Cleveland Browns: He has emerged as one of the rising stars for a rising team. His ability to stretch the defense is vital to the Cleveland offense.

45. Aaron Kampman, DE, Green Bay Packers: He plays all out all the time. Despite being light at 265 pounds, he holds up against the run at left end quite well. He has speed and strength as a pass rusher.

46. Tony Gonzalez, TE, Kansas City Chiefs: He's one of those guys who doesn't seem to ever slow down. He had 99 catches last year in a bad offense.

47. Marcus Trufant, CB, Seattle Seahawks: He led all NFC corners with seven interceptions. He also got credit for 22 passes defensed. He has emerged as a top-tier corner.

48. Wes Welker, WR, New England Patriots: Yes, he belongs on this list. He had an amazing season as a slot receiver in 2007. Even when teams knew he was getting the football, he made plays.

49. Fred Taylor, RB, Jacksonville Jaguars: Taylor finally got his due last season with his first Pro Bowl appearance. At 32, he remains one of the biggest home-run threats in the league. His 5.4 per-carry average was second best among the league's best rushers to Peterson (5.6).

50. Devin Hester, KR, Chicago Bears: I don't normally put return men on these lists, but this guy has earned it. It will be interesting to see how long he can maintain it.

Just missed: Julius Peppers, DE, Carolina Panthers; Larry Johnson, RB, Kansas City Chiefs; Patrick Kerney, DE, Seattle Seahawks; Troy Polamalu, S, Pittsburgh Steelers; Adrian Wilson, S, Arizona Cardinals; Antonio Cromartie, CB, San Diego Chargers' Terence Newman, CB, Dallas Cowboys; DeMeco Ryans, LB, Houston Texans; Tony Romo, QB, Dallas Cowboys[/quote]






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[quote name='Bengals1181' post='675603' date='Jun 26 2008, 03:08 PM'][size=7]*[/size]





How does it feel to have all 5 rings tainted?[/quote]


Not Illegal in 70's. Bradshaw had prescription.

Still would have won :wave:

It was offensive PI, Ben did cross the plane, it was holding, Seahawks had plenty of chances


Later, Rinse, Repeat

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[quote name='Jamie_B' post='675690' date='Jun 26 2008, 11:15 PM'][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfw8acB7TVk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfw8acB7TVk[/url]

HOLY CRAP

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:[/quote]


LOL. pretty funny isn't. Bradshaw straight pimpin' in that video :lol:

Also got the Robert Plant, Roger Daltrey thing going :P

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[quote name='Bengals1181' post='675603' date='Jun 26 2008, 02:08 PM'][size=7]*[/size]





How does it feel to have all 5 rings tainted?[/quote]

Yet you ignore the fact that Bengals players of the same era have been linked to steroids.

The most amusing part of this is the fact that half-wits such as yourself yourself honestly believe that despite the fact that they were not banned by the NFL, nor illegal in the US, that Pittsburgh was the only team using steroids in the 70's.

However, the "everyone was doing it" argument is completely uneccessary in this case. They were 100% legal. You cant call someone a cheater by retroactively applying a rule that was implemented 10 years after the fact.


But to answer your question. I dont feel that there is a taint on any of them. Here is a question for you:

How does it feel to not even have a ring?
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[quote name='Rumble In the Jungle' post='676007' date='Jun 28 2008, 11:50 AM']you sound like your wearing one![/quote]


Well, I am married...it is part of the deal.

But if you mean that I sound like I am calling myself a member of the team, then let me rephrase for you....

How does it feel to root for a team who has never won a championship?
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[quote name='oftt4' post='676031' date='Jun 28 2008, 01:37 PM']Well, I am married...it is part of the deal.

But if you mean that I sound like I am calling myself a member of the team, then let me rephrase for you....

[b]How does it feel to root for a team who has never won a championship?[/b][/quote]


feels great as a matter of fact. cause we're no bandwagon fans. are you expecting me to just say fuck the Bengals and maybe root for the Patriots or the Steelers cause you guys got championships ? we got our teams back, you know we're true fans when we really aint seen too many good years as fans. and we're not going to stop rooting either. and the day we win our first superbowl, it is going to be orgasmic. (for me atleast :mellow: )

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[quote name='Rumble In the Jungle' post='676082' date='Jun 28 2008, 02:47 PM']feels great as a matter of fact. cause we're no bandwagon fans. are you expecting me to just say fuck the Bengals and maybe root for the Patriots or the Steelers cause you guys got championships ? we got our teams back, you know we're true fans when we really aint seen too many good years as fans. and we're not going to stop rooting either. and the day we win our first superbowl, it is going to be orgasmic. (for me atleast :mellow: )[/quote]

I admire your loyalty.

I did not make a statement with the intention of changing your mind at all. It was a counter question to the ass hat above.

Oh, and make sure you have some tissues when the time comes.

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[quote name='oftt4' post='676113' date='Jun 28 2008, 04:06 PM']I admire your loyalty.

I did not make a statement with the intention of changing your mind at all. It was a counter question to the ass hat above.

[color="#FF0000"]Oh, and make sure you have some tissues when the time comes.[/color][/quote]


I will be crying like a school girl. :lol:

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