*** MIKE ZIMMER IS THE NEW DC ***

[Scoutforlife591]

I don't know if I'd highlight probowlers as an accomplishment in Dallas.

Hell, if you start 9 games in Dallas, they'll make you a probowler.

[texbengal]

I lived in Dallas the whole time Zimmer was on the Cowboy staff... from DB coach to DC for both Campo and Parcells. He's a very good coach, IMO, and would be a good hire. He was well-liked and respected -- by players, the media, and fans.

I don't put a ton of stock in defensive rankings, because they play mostly NFC offenses, which have mostly sucked for the last 7-8 years, relative to the AFC. That said, his teams always played hard, and tackled well.

He's coached some very good players as a DB coach, such as Darren Woodson (future HOF'er, I think - great player). He also utilized Roy Williams effectively at S, by minimizing his limitations in coverage -- which are considerable. Honestly, until later in his tenure (adding Ware, Newman, Spears, Canty, Jason Ferguson), he didn't have a ton of talent to work with, but he made the best of what he had, and I thought did a good job of maximizing individual players' skills. From under-sized LBs (e.g. Dat Nguyen) to Eric Ogbogu (yeah, the ex-Bengal DE), he got them to produce. Ogbogu actually was a pretty good pass rusher in Dallas, which he never was in Cincinnati.

Outwardly, he seems like a mild-mannered guy, but he'll get in guys' faces, and he's intense. I remember when Campo was HC, and they did the "Hard Knocks" show, and there was a segment when he basically told Roy Williams that he had to "nut up" and not get his ass punked.

When Parcells was hired, and an obvious 3-4 guy (which Zimmer didn't know well, since he's 4-3 all the way), people assumed he'd be gone. But he learned the defense, and impressed Parcells enough that he was retained. Since the team really didn't have the personnel for it initially (big DEs, big LBs, NT), the team drafted a bunch of rookies, and got Jason Ferguson via FA to play NT. And Zimmer made it work.

I'd prefer Rex Ryan, but Zimmer is no ugly bridesmaid. He's very solid, and a significant upgrade.

[-GoBengals-]

[quote name='texbengal' post='621813' date='Jan 12 2008, 12:00 AM']I lived in Dallas the whole time Zimmer was on the Cowboy staff... from DB coach to DC for both Campo and Parcells. He's a very good coach, IMO, and would be a good hire. He was well-liked and respected -- by players, the media, and fans.

I don't put a ton of stock in defensive rankings, because they play mostly NFC offenses, which have mostly sucked for the last 7-8 years, relative to the AFC. That said, his teams always played hard, and tackled well.

He's coached some very good players as a DB coach, such as Darren Woodson (future HOF'er, I think - great player). He also utilized Roy Williams effectively at S, by minimizing his limitations in coverage -- which are considerable. Honestly, until later in his tenure (adding Ware, Newman, Spears, Canty, Jason Ferguson), he didn't have a ton of talent to work with, but he made the best of what he had, and I thought did a good job of maximizing individual players' skills. From under-sized LBs (e.g. Dat Nguyen) to Eric Ogbogu (yeah, the ex-Bengal DE), he got them to produce. Ogbogu actually was a pretty good pass rusher in Dallas, which he never was in Cincinnati.

Outwardly, he seems like a mild-mannered guy, but he'll get in guys' faces, and he's intense. I remember when Campo was HC, and they did the "Hard Knocks" show, and there was a segment when he basically told Roy Williams that he had to "nut up" and not get his ass punked.

When Parcells was hired, and an obvious 3-4 guy (which Zimmer didn't know well, since he's 4-3 all the way), people assumed he'd be gone. But he learned the defense, and impressed Parcells enough that he was retained. Since the team really didn't have the personnel for it initially (big DEs, big LBs, NT), the team drafted a bunch of rookies, and got Jason Ferguson via FA to play NT. And Zimmer made it work.

I'd prefer Rex Ryan, but Zimmer is no ugly bridesmaid. He's very solid, and a significant upgrade.[/quote]


thanks for the input, good to hear from someone with some first hand recollection, as i know nothing about the guy..

[VonBlade]

[quote name='Scoutforlife591' post='621798' date='Jan 12 2008, 04:04 AM']Hell, if you start 9 games in Dallas, they'll make you a probowler.[/quote]

Start 9? I thought just being on the field for a couple of plays was enough. You know, like the Patriots punter.

Anyway, his CV looks good enough so let's hope he can do it where it counts.

[Rick]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='621786' date='Jan 11 2008, 10:35 PM'][size=3][b]Any relation to Don Zimmer ? [/b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/39.gif[/img][/size]


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I heard Don Zimmer is Mike Zimmer's father.

[atlbengalfan]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='621768' date='Jan 11 2008, 10:34 PM']Dallas' defensive rankings weren't incredible, and despite Atlanta's bullshit with Vick, who happens to play on offense, where was their defense?
I'm playing Devil's Advocate here. i wanted Bres gone, and just about anyone outside of a dying mushroom would have pleased me...but I am not as impressed with Zimmer as others, and I am just wondering what about him makes people so happy that he'll be a good fit here.[/quote]


living in the atl and seeing/hearing falcon talk daily I can tell you this about their defense this year...they were not the problem. the offense was terrible and the defense was on the field way too often. the falcons defense was fundamentally sound. you rarely saw people running free and they did okay in both run support and passing defense. HOWEVER, the Falcons defense has pro bowlers or former pro bowlers in hall, brookins, rod coleman, and john abraham. the bengals defense has none so hopefully he can scheme to cover up weaknesses. I think its a good hire and people here are upset that he was let go.

and its 4-3 all the way down here so I expect that to continue up there

[Bengals_12th_Man]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='621786' date='Jan 11 2008, 10:35 PM'][size=3][b]Any relation to Don Zimmer ? [/b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//39.gif[/img][/size]


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[quote name='texbengal' post='621813' date='Jan 12 2008, 12:00 AM']I lived in Dallas the whole time Zimmer was on the Cowboy staff... from DB coach to DC for both Campo and Parcells. He's a very good coach, IMO, and would be a good hire. He was well-liked and respected -- by players, the media, and fans.

I don't put a ton of stock in defensive rankings, because they play mostly NFC offenses, which have mostly sucked for the last 7-8 years, relative to the AFC. That said, his teams always played hard, and tackled well.

He's coached some very good players as a DB coach, such as Darren Woodson (future HOF'er, I think - great player). He also utilized Roy Williams effectively at S, by minimizing his limitations in coverage -- which are considerable. Honestly, until later in his tenure (adding Ware, Newman, Spears, Canty, Jason Ferguson), he didn't have a ton of talent to work with, but he made the best of what he had, and I thought did a good job of maximizing individual players' skills. From under-sized LBs (e.g. Dat Nguyen) to Eric Ogbogu (yeah, the ex-Bengal DE), he got them to produce. Ogbogu actually was a pretty good pass rusher in Dallas, which he never was in Cincinnati.

Outwardly, he seems like a mild-mannered guy, but he'll get in guys' faces, and he's intense. I remember when Campo was HC, and they did the "Hard Knocks" show, and there was a segment when he basically told Roy Williams that he had to "nut up" and not get his ass punked.

When Parcells was hired, and an obvious 3-4 guy (which Zimmer didn't know well, since he's 4-3 all the way), people assumed he'd be gone. But he learned the defense, and impressed Parcells enough that he was retained. Since the team really didn't have the personnel for it initially (big DEs, big LBs, NT), the team drafted a bunch of rookies, and got Jason Ferguson via FA to play NT. And Zimmer made it work.

I'd prefer Rex Ryan, but Zimmer is no ugly bridesmaid. He's very solid, and a significant upgrade.[/quote]


Well said my man. He seems like a solid choice, if its to happen. I really like the idea of a fundamentally sound, agressive defense that tackles well.

[|Lucid|]

I hope this works out.

Zimmer was my first choice becuase he is a huge upgrade over Bresnahan, and I was afraid if we waited around too long for Ryan we would end up getting some retread or neverweres (Coyle/Henderson).

If this ends up not working out I will be bummed.

[ccartman2]

[quote name='VonBlade' post='621853' date='Jan 12 2008, 06:22 AM']Start 9? I thought just being on the field for a couple of plays was enough. You know, like the Patriots punter.

Anyway, his CV looks good enough so let's hope he can do it where it counts.[/quote]

Really you don't even have to be a starter. See Marion Barber - A Good RB; Good Fantasy Player; probably not good enough stats for the Pro Bowl. :-)

[DanvilleBengal]

If the guy made a bunch of transitional players play at a high level, and in a scheme that he had never ran before, the guy has to know what he's doing.
Remember, the Cowboys did have the top-ranked D back in 2003, and the talent was most decidely not there for the most part, and their defense has been quite formidable all the time.

Personally, if he can get our defense into the mid-teens, that would possibly be enough to get us into the playoffs and net us a couple of wins. And imagine what that could do to the offense if they knew and understood that the defense is able to get them out of tough spots instead of being dead weight. The offense could go back to playing loose and taking what they wanted. Our offense did play inconsistent, but I think part of it is that the offense believes that they have to play perfect every time to win games for us, which is gonna lead to chances and mistakes (INTs, drops, etc.) Chad said it perfectly: "If the defense gives up 50, we have to score 51."

If the offense trusts the defense to get a few stops a game, instead of giving it up every drive like a 2 dollar whore, it would let the offense play better. Trust doesn't just go from player to player, or from coach to coach. It comes from unit to unit.

[Who Dey Forever]

I expect Geathers to be amazing now..I love this hire

[kdubdub]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='621768' date='Jan 11 2008, 10:34 PM']Dallas' defensive rankings weren't incredible, and despite Atlanta's bullshit with Vick, who happens to play on offense, where was their defense?
I'm playing Devil's Advocate here. i wanted Bres gone, and just about anyone outside of a dying mushroom would have pleased me...but I am not as impressed with Zimmer as others, and I am just wondering what about him makes people so happy that he'll be a good fit here.[/quote]

I got Falcon's season tickets and not impressed at all at the D BUT losing Kearny hurt. If Zimmer could have had him, rod coleman, and john abraham all healthy at one time then there is not telling how the D would have performed there.

[claptonrocks]

From what Ive read Texbengal is pretty much right on about Zimmer..
He's a no nonsense type of guy that will get in someone's grill if he feels they arent producing
effectively be it technique or attitude....
He'll work with his coaches too and isnt afraid to tell them to get their units up to snuff..
I think Bresh may have been soft with some of his coaches and players...just a gut feeling...
More of a rah rah , x and o type but not a real good general .
Zimmer is a stern taskmaster ... Fair but stern... He holds individuals accountable .. no passing the buck so as not to ruffle feathers.. He'll ruffle!!!

[Sigfox09]

[quote name='claptonrocks' post='621956' date='Jan 12 2008, 03:17 PM']From what Ive read Texbengal is pretty much right on about Zimmer..
[b]He's a no nonsense type of guy that will get in someone's grill if he feels they arent producing
effectively be it technique or attitude....[/b]He'll work with his coaches too and isnt afraid to tell them to get their units up to snuff..
I think Bresh may have been soft with some of his coaches and players...just a gut feeling...
More of a rah rah , x and o type but not a real good general .
Zimmer is a stern taskmaster ... Fair but stern... He holds individuals accountable .. no passing the buck so as not to ruffle feathers.. He'll ruffle!!![/quote]


Thats a lot of grill time!!

[kdubdub]

[quote name='claptonrocks' post='621956' date='Jan 12 2008, 04:17 PM']From what Ive read Texbengal is pretty much right on about Zimmer..
[b]He's a no nonsense type of guy that will get in someone's grill if he feels they arent producing
effectively be it technique or attitude....[/b]
He'll work with his coaches too and isnt afraid to tell them to get their units up to snuff..
I think Bresh may have been soft with some of his coaches and players...just a gut feeling...
More of a rah rah , x and o type but not a real good general .
Zimmer is a stern taskmaster ... Fair but stern... He holds individuals accountable .. no passing the buck so as not to ruffle feathers.. He'll ruffle!!![/quote]

Didn't see him in DeAngelo Hall's grill after he cussed out Petrino.

[DanvilleBengal]

[quote name='kdubdub' post='621964' date='Jan 12 2008, 03:49 PM']Didn't see him in DeAngelo Hall's grill after he cussed out Petrino.[/quote]

Hard for him to do much about that, that was between the Head Coach (petrino) and the player. And I think any thing done by Zimmer in that situation would have the air of undermining the authority of the head coach.

Plus it wasn't a production issue.........I'm trying to play devil's advocate here, but Deanglo's always been a talented headcase. Zimmer won't have that problem here with our two starters, but could have an issue with Deltha.

[LudwigVan Kubrick]

I like it.

Zimmer was my second choice as well.

This would very much be step in the right direction for the Bengals.

Hope it isn't a mirage.

[claptonrocks]

[quote name='kdubdub' post='621964' date='Jan 12 2008, 03:49 PM']Didn't see him in DeAngelo Hall's grill after he cussed out Petrino.[/quote]

Well just maybe Petrino should have had some balls and handled it himself.
Didnt see Hall in Zim's face though.

[Nati Ice]

i dont know too much about this guy but this all seems pretty unremarkable. i suppose we could do a lot worse.

[oldschooler]

[From a Falcons fan. Fucker called us the "B" word though . . .

[quote][size=3][b]Mike Zimmer Heading To The Bengals?[/b][/size]
By Dave the Falconer
Posted on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:29:57 PM EDT

If this goes down, the Falcons will have let the best piece of Petrino's coaching staff walk away. According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, Zimmer is likely to scuttle sideways to a job with the Bengals. That does mean the next coach can bring in a staff of whoever he wants, but I have to admit that I liked his schemes.

Who will be the new D-coordinator, y'all?[/quote]


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[Jamie_B]

hehe

y'all

[Jamie_B]

I always wondered what this guy's first name was.

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Dave the Falconer

[Who Dey Forever]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='621785' date='Jan 11 2008, 10:31 PM'][b]I'd love to get Deangelo hall at CB and then shift Leon Hall to FS [/b][/quote]
Are you dumb? Leon could never be a safety..He's going to stay at corner.

[Quaker]

...Will not get excited over a new DC. They needed a change, but I'll take the wait and see approach. Looks good on paper, lets see what he can do with the 08 group of Bengals. I tried to look it up and I didn't get what I was looking for, but my biggest interest is in where his defenses finished in points allowed.

[oldschooler]

[quote name='Quaker' post='622135' date='Jan 13 2008, 10:08 AM']...Will not get excited over a new DC. They needed a change, but I'll take the wait and see approach. Looks good on paper, lets see what he can do with the 08 group of Bengals. I tried to look it up and I didn't get what I was looking for, but my biggest interest is in where his defenses finished in points allowed.[/quote]



2000: they were ranked 22nd in points allowed (22.6)

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2001: they were ranked 20th in points allowed (21.1)

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2002: they were ranked 13th in points allowed (20.6)

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2003: they were ranked 2nd in points allowed (16.2)


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2004: they were ranked 25th in points allowed (25.3)

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2005: they were ranked 12th in points allowed (19.2)

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2006: they were ranked 20th in points allowed (21.9)

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2007: the Falcons were ranked 29th in points allowed (25.9)

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