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[quote name='Bengals1181' post='642374' date='Mar 10 2008, 08:52 PM']I thought the WLB covered the TE, at least the way we played it?

MLB plays the run.
SLB blitzes/plays run
WLB is your coverage back/plays the run[/quote]


Maybe that's what's been wrong with our defense the Will LB cover the TE. LOL

The position is call strongside, because of where the TE lines up along the offensive line. The TE can be an extra blocker, making that side of the offensive line 'stronger.' That's were the term Strongside linebacker comes from, referred to as SAM because of the S, just like MLB is Mike, Weakside is called WILL.
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[quote name='Captain Awesome' post='642379' date='Mar 10 2008, 08:03 PM']Maybe that's what's been wrong with our defense the Will LB cover the TE. LOL

The position is call strongside, because of where the TE lines up along the offensive line. The TE can be an extra blocker, making that side of the offensive line 'stronger.' That's were the term Strongside linebacker comes from, referred to as SAM because of the S, just like MLB is Mike, Weakside is called WILL.[/quote]


so what is the WLB supposed to do?
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[quote name='globetrotter' post='642287' date='Mar 10 2008, 03:54 PM']Rivers is a WLB. He would start immediately in Landos old spot.

Keith Rivers
Height: 6-21/4 | Weight: 241 | 40-Time: 4.60

Official Bio

[b]Strengths:[/b]Excellent athleticism...Great speed with a burst to close...Quick and agile...Terrific range and makes plays sideline-to-sideline...Does a fantastic job in pursuit...Good frame with long arms...Motor runs non-stop and he is really active...Fluid and does a terrific job in coverage...[size=6]A big hitter who can lay the lumber.[/size]..Decent pass rusher and blitzer...Aggressive and plays with an attitude...Works through the trash and traffic well..Good instincts and recognition...Offers some versatility..A hard worker.

[b]Weaknesses:[/b]Could stand to add some weight...Needs to get stronger..[size=6]More of a finesse player and is not overly physical[/size]...Plays out of control at times...Doesn't take on or shed blockers all that well...Is not stout and can be run at...Needs to keep his pad level down...A playmaker in coverage?..Goes for the knockout rather than wrapping up.

Notes:
A elite recruit coming out of high school...Wore the #55 jersey for the Trojans that was made famous by guys like Junior Seau, Willie McGinest and Chris Claiborne...A outstanding all-around linebacker who shouldn't ever have to leave the field...Has an ideal blend of natural talent, physical tools, and intangibles...Prototypical WILL.[/quote]


These bio's kill me. Well? which one is he? a [b]wood swinger [/b]or [b]finessing fanagler[/b]??? Any card fans want to chime in?
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[quote name='Indianabengal' post='642387' date='Mar 10 2008, 08:13 PM']These bio's kill me. Well? which one is he? a [b]wood swinger [/b]or [b]finessing fanagler[/b]??? Any card fans want to chime in?[/quote]


Good find. I guess whether the guy is a bust or an all-pro they can say "we told you so."
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[quote name='Bengals1181' post='642381' date='Mar 10 2008, 09:08 PM']so what is the WLB supposed to do?[/quote]



The middle linebacker is supposed to cover the middle of the field and prevent runs that take place between the offensive tackles. It is called Middle linebacker because he plays in the middle, and the term Mike is used as a coaching term.

Both outside linebackers (SAM and WILL) are to help the DEs, and to prevent runs from happening between the DE and the sideline.

The only difference between between SAM and WILL OLB's is that one lines up on the side of the offensive line where the TE is. The majority of the NFL teams do not use two TE sets for every play.

The Weakside or WILL backer is on the side of the offensive line where the TE is not normally lined up, it is called the weakside because he does not have to deal with an extra blocker. The tight end being the extra blocker. The WILL/Weakside is normally the linebacker that drops into pass coverage.

The Strongside or SAM backer is on the same side of the offensive line as the TE. It is called the strongside because the offensive line, not because of the linebackers. It is a coaching term used to tell the differnce between the two OLB's.

Both the WILL and SAM backers have the same job, cover DEs and contain the run from where the DE lines up to the sideline. There are only subtle differences between the two; SAM has an extra blocker to deal with, and the WILL sometimes drops into pass coverage. Both of their primary jobs is to stop the run from the sideline to the DE.
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[quote name='Captain Awesome' post='642393' date='Mar 10 2008, 08:26 PM']The middle linebacker is supposed to cover the middle of the field and prevent runs that take place between the offensive tackles. It is called Middle linebacker because he plays in the middle, and the term Mike is used as a coaching term.

Both outside linebackers (SAM and WILL) are to help the DEs, and to prevent runs from happening between the DE and the sideline.

The only difference between between SAM and WILL OLB's is that one lines up on the side of the offensive line where the TE is. The majority of the NFL teams do not use two TE sets for every play.

The Weakside or WILL backer is on the side of the offensive line where the TE is not normally lined up, it is called the weakside because he does not have to deal with an extra blocker. The tight end being the extra blocker. The WILL/Weakside is normally the linebacker that drops into pass coverage.

The Strongside or SAM backer is on the same side of the offensive line as the TE. It is called the strongside because the offensive line, not because of the linebackers. It is a coaching term used to tell the differnce between the two OLB's.

Both the WILL and SAM backers have the same job, cover DEs and contain the run from where the DE lines up to the sideline. There are only subtle differences between the two; SAM has an extra blocker to deal with, and the WILL sometimes drops into pass coverage. Both of their primary jobs is to stop the run from the sideline to the DE.[/quote]


so the way I had it was essentially right in a way. The WLB is the one who drops into coverage, I just had the TE part mixed up.

[quote]QUOTE (Bengals1181 @ Mar 10 2008, 08:52 PM)
I thought the WLB covered the TE, at least the way we played it?

MLB plays the run.
SLB blitzes/plays run
WLB is your coverage back/plays the run[/quote]



Thanks for the mini-lesson. :)

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[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='642389' date='Mar 10 2008, 08:17 PM']Don't say I didn't tell ya when we take Rashard Mendenhall in the first round! ;)


*That is if Dorsey,Long,Gholston, and Ellis are gone.[/quote]


I can't wait to take Mendenhall after we trade down with Detroit or Arizona.


:lol:

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[quote name='ThurmanMunster' post='642312' date='Mar 10 2008, 06:08 PM']you have already proven you are an idiot when it comes to rating the bengals players. if you dont like jeanty then im even more confident in my statement.[/quote]

Coming from the guy who had Caleb Miller as his avatar, and wanted to give him a BJ because he was so elite.

:rofl:
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[quote name='KangarWhoDey' post='642295' date='Mar 10 2008, 04:16 PM']Wahoowa! :gobengals:

Great start to the offseason. Ditch Bustin for a guy who can actually get to the QB, and replace Landon with a more physical specimen who still has some speed. Add in the guys coming back from injury, and two new coaches.... :headbang:

Now if we can just land a DT in the draft *fingers crossed*[/quote]

We didn't replace landon. All we did was pick up some guy who didn't even start on the Cards.

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[quote name='B.A.B.' post='642444' date='Mar 11 2008, 09:42 PM']We didn't replace landon. All we did was pick up some guy who didn't even start on the Cards.[/quote]
And Landon shouldn't have started here. W/O injuries to Henderson, Brooks, Pollack, Thurman (not exactly an injury), Jeanty, etc, Landon would have been a backup, as he should have been.

Blackstock >>> Landon. If the training staff can keep him healthy and off IR, unlike our LBs last year ;)

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This guy hasn't replaced anybody. It's a one year deal which means he didn't have a whole lot of options and could find himself cut in August.

Players with options are not settling for 1 year deals. This guy will be chasing down punts and providing depth if he makes the roster, anything above that is gravy.
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[quote name='scharm' post='642449' date='Mar 11 2008, 07:20 AM']This guy hasn't replaced anybody. It's a one year deal which means he didn't have a whole lot of options and could find himself cut in August.

[b]Players with options are not settling for 1 year deals. [/b]This guy will be chasing down punts and providing depth if he makes the roster, anything above that is gravy.[/quote]


not always. Maybe he didn't want a small money longterm deal when he could impress for a year and then break the bank next year. With the money being thrown around in free agency, he had little incentive to sign a long-term deal for marginal salary.
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[quote name='scharm' post='642449' date='Mar 11 2008, 06:20 AM']This guy hasn't replaced anybody. It's a one year deal which means he didn't have a whole lot of options and could find himself cut in August.

Players with options are not settling for 1 year deals. This guy will be chasing down punts and providing depth if he makes the roster, anything above that is gravy.[/quote]
It's not good to be so judgemental this early on.

This guy, given what Cards fans say, is ALOT better than a Marcus Wilkins, and WITH OUR COACHING AT LB NOW should be a capable roster backup AT THE VERY LEAST. Potentially more!!!!

I like the signing and POTENTIALLY offers an upgrade over Landon.

Piss poor coaching in Arizona was also responsible for his lack of progress.
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[quote name='scharm' post='642449' date='Mar 11 2008, 10:20 PM']This guy hasn't replaced anybody. It's a one year deal which means he didn't have a whole lot of options and could find himself cut in August.

Players with options are not settling for 1 year deals. This guy will be chasing down punts and providing depth if he makes the roster, anything above that is gravy.[/quote]
Understand where you're coming from...

..better get ready for some gravy B)

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[quote name='Mattyc' post='642256' date='Mar 10 2008, 04:10 PM']I don't want to be a negative nancy, but the cardinals didn't even tender this guy a minimum offer, he was a restricted free agent with 4 sacks in three years.

Hey new blood, can't hurt.[/quote]


as John Clayton put it this morning, "the Cardinals can't even afford to sign minimum salary guys until the Larry Fitzgerald situation gets resolved".

As much as some hate Chad, at least he's not holding our offseason hostage like Fitzgerald is for the Cards.
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[quote name='globetrotter' post='642262' date='Mar 10 2008, 04:17 PM']This is a fringe signing. It means nothing for the top of our draft or any players who are at the top of the depth chart.

Anthony Schlegal and Corey Mays should be freaked tho.[/quote]
I agree...

Even if the guy never truly starts, anytime you upgrade even the 3rd stringer (not saying this guy is only that good just a broad example) on your team you've improved your team... it may not be noticed provided you don't have injuries but when those do happen it is more noticeable and you see the improved talent.

This signing may not make you a top 10-15 defense but it does make you better and at not a lot of cost. The guy could also grow into a true starter caliber LB'r - he's pretty young still at 24.
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[quote name='Indianabengal' post='642387' date='Mar 10 2008, 09:13 PM']These bio's kill me. Well? which one is he? a [b]wood swinger [/b]or [b]finessing fanagler[/b]??? Any card fans want to chime in?[/quote]

Not a Cards fan, but there really is no contradiction in the statements in the article. A guy can be a big hitter -- when he has a free shot at a QB, RB or WR, but not be physical in the sense that he isnt effective taking on blockers or shedding blocks (he gets hung up in traffic and pushed back).

The comments in the article seem to be in line with the fact that Blackstock is known as a Pass Rush /Special teams specialist.
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[quote name='Gordon Wood' post='642471' date='Mar 11 2008, 08:39 AM']Not a Cards fan, but there really is no contradiction in the statements in the article. A guy can be a big hitter -- when he has a free shot at a QB, RB or WR, but not be physical in the sense that he isnt effective taking on blockers or shedding blocks (he gets hung up in traffic and pushed back).

The comments in the article seem to be in line with the fact that Blackstock is known as a Pass Rush /Special teams specialist.[/quote]

That bio was talking about Rivers, the LB from USC.
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[quote name='Bengals1181' post='642399' date='Mar 10 2008, 08:37 PM']so the way I had it was essentially right in a way. The WLB is the one who drops into coverage, I just had the TE part mixed up.





Thanks for the mini-lesson. :)[/quote]

i'd add the WSB's resposibility USUALLY is covering the back coming out in the flat, which is natural, since the design of the play is away from the flow of action (strongside) against the grain. for that reason, your weakside guy needs to be more agile and a better cover man, as running backs are clearly more elusive and faster than the TE is. also, when a back runs a downfield pass pattern, usually it will be the WLB's responsibility to cover him.

now where this all goes to hell is when the TE comes in motion. unless your OLB's flip flop, their roles get somewhat reversed. that's why you so often see the TE in motion...to create those mismatches. now your weakside man has to be studly enough to shed through trash, and conversely your SAM has to be up to the task of covering the running back, without leaving his jock on the field.

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[quote name='KangarWhoDey' post='642446' date='Mar 11 2008, 06:55 AM']And Landon shouldn't have started here. W/O injuries to Henderson, Brooks, Pollack, Thurman (not exactly an injury), Jeanty, etc, Landon would have been a backup, as he should have been.

Blackstock >>> Landon. If the training staff can keep him healthy and off IR, unlike our LBs last year ;)[/quote]
I'm glad someone else can see that Blackstock's an obvious talent upgrade from Landon.

His success will be dependent upon how quickly he picks up the scheme (work ethic) and health. If he stays healthy and works hard, he should see a lot of time from scrimmage.

[quote]not always. Maybe he didn't want a small money longterm deal when he could impress for a year and then break the bank next year. With the money being thrown around in free agency, he had little incentive to sign a long-term deal for marginal salary.[/quote]

Exactly.

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