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OFFENSE
Quarterback
Carson Palmer
Ryan Fitzgerald
Jordan Palmer

Runningback
Chris Perry
Kenny Watson
DeDe Dorsey

Fullback
Jeremi Johnson

Wide Receiver
Chad Johnson
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Jerome Simpson
Antonio Chatman
Glenn Holt
Andre Caldwell

Tight End
Reggie Kelly
Ben Utecht
Daniel Coats

Left Tackle
Levi Jones
Anthony Collins

Left Guard
Andrew Whitworth

Center
Eric Ghiaciuc
Dan Santucci
Kyle Cook

Right Guard
Bobbie Williams
Scott Kooistra

Right Tackle
Stacy Andrews

DEFENSE
Defensive End
Robert Geathers
Antwan Odom
Frostee Rucker
Johnathan Fanene

Defensive Tackle
Domata Peko
John Thornton
Pat Sims
Jason Shirley
Michael Myers

Weakside Linebacker
Keith Rivers
Brandon Johnson

Middle Linebacker
Dhani Jones
Corey Mays

Strongside Linebacker
Rashad Jeanty
Darryl Blackstock

Cornerback
Johnathan Joseph
Leon Hall
David Jones
Simeon Castille

Free Safety
Marvin White
Kyries Hebert
Corey Lynch
Herana-Daze Jones

Strong Safety
Dexter Jackson
Chinedum Ndukwe

SPECIALISTS
Kicker
Shayne Graham

Punter
Kyle Larson

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I am concerned about the backups for right tackle and left guard. Why three centers and where is Brad St. Louis?

The DeDe Dorsey fan club should be giving each other high fives about right now.

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Yeah we're one bad injury at LB away from being in the same exact situation as last year. Everyone is gonng get banged up. 1 or 2 guys are probably going to miss 2-3 games. Throw one season ender in their and Ndukwe is back at LB

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And we've only got one spot spare there (if my maths and the post is correct). So even if that's a LB then we're still thin, and if it's a CB then we're still thin.

Kyle Cook, D-Jax and Jordan Palmer can easily move on. One extra OL, CB and LB would make that team look a WHOLE lot more sensible without losing anything.

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[quote name='MAGICTOUCH' post='693385' date='Aug 30 2008, 04:56 PM']Jones and Castille suck donkey balls[/quote]

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I am rather shocked that Jordan was kept and Rowe... based on playing time and when they were playing in the pre-season.

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[quote name='BronxBengal' post='693381' date='Aug 30 2008, 04:54 PM']I am concerned about the backups for right tackle and left guard. Why three centers and where is Brad St. Louis?

[b]The DeDe Dorsey fan club should be giving each other high fives about right now.[/b][/quote]

Waiting until after the waiver wire deal is done over the next day or two. We usually pick up a couple and release a couple more.

I REALLY hope Herana-Daze and Dede stay ! :D

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QB - Should have only kept 2 QB's. If JP is playing, we are screwed no matter what.
RB - OK, there are guys out there if we need to sign an injury replacement.
FB - Should have cut JJ as he is out of shape. Use Coats or Utecht as H-Back.
WR - OK, Going To War With What We Have
TE - This group is versatile. I like this bunch.
OL - All of our backups suck. 3 Centers? I like going with 10 OL so I'd like one more.
DE - OK, GTWWWWH
DT - I like 4 DT, but with two rookies, it was safe to keep Myers.
LB - 1 Dhani Jones injury before we are back to Corey freakin Mays at MLB. Unacceptable.
CB - 2 good guys, 2 crappy guys F-
FS - 4 FS's!!!! Stupid!!! Keep two.
SS - OK, GTWWWWH


i don't think I like this roster.

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as for the 3 centers, I'm sure much of it has to do with santucci not being ready to go game 1 because of his ankle. Once he's healthy, Cook will probably be cut in favor of a RG/RT guy.

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[quote name='Ochosucko' post='693514' date='Aug 30 2008, 08:40 PM']The Bengals should cut Thornton and sign Dre Moore who was just waived by the Bucs. Make the move now![/quote]


I agree that Moore has "more" longterm potential, but I don't know about putting 3 rookies at one position.

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[quote][size=5][b]Facelift [/b][/size]
By GEOFF HOBSON
August 31, 2008
6:55 a.m.


After Saturday's roster facelift in which the Bengals tried to nip and tuck away some aging, the Bengals hope they are more flexible on and off the field when it comes to salary cap and special teams issues.

They also hope a younger roster is going to facilitate head coach Marvin Lewis' effort to get more people on the practice more field consistently and give him more options getting to 45 players on Gameday.

The vet vetting of right tackle Willie Anderson, running back Rudi Johnson, and cornerback Deltha O'Neal accounted for about $8 million in cap savings for this season and gives them options in extending potential free agents such as T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Shayne Graham, as well as a young veteran like cornerback Johnathan Joseph.

Although it hurt special teams to cut linebacker Jim Maxwell, they hope that newcomers such as safeties Corey Lynch and Kyries Hebert can upgrade a coverage team unit that retained its two top tacklers in backup safety Herana-Daze Jones and backup middle linebacker Corey Mays.

A quick roster look and it's got to be quick because the Bengals have until Sunday afternoon to firm up the roster after they raid the waiver wire for a couple spots.

[b]QBS (3): Carson Palmer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jordan Palmer. [/b]

A surprise that they opted to cut Jeff Rowe at No. 3. The CW was they would put Jordan Palmer on the practice squad after he barely played in the first three preseason games. Bottom line is they felt Palmer exhibited more poise to go along with the fact he's the better passer than Rowe.

How much money did Fitzpatrick make for next year with his three touchdown drives, 104.2 passer rating and 79 yards on nine scrambles?

[b]WRS (6): Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Antonio Chatman, Glenn Holt, Jerome Simpson, Andre Caldwell. [/b]

Chatman (punt returns) and Holt (kick returns) almost made it by default because there was no one close to return behind them. It's a big reason why they chose not to pay O'Neal $3 million after he struggled to get any kind of room on punt return (four returns for a four-yard average).

Caldwell (foot) may not be ready for the opener, when it looks like they'll only dress five wideouts. Lewis says he's close. Didn't it sound like the second-rounder Simpson is the third receiver? And he ended up leading the team in receiving in the preseason with 11 balls for 157 yards and a 14.3 average.

Who gets cut when Chris Henry comes back from suspension Sept. 29?

[b]OFFENSIVE LINE: (9) Levi Jones, Andrew Whitworth, Eric Ghiaciuc, Bobbie Williams, Stacy Andrews, Scott Kooistra, Anthony Collins, Dan Santucci, Kyle Cook. [/b]

Anderson's release promotes Kooistra to right tackle to back up Andrews. What happens if, as the CW indicates, Andrews leaves after the season? The leading option could be Collins, the fourth-rounder this year out of Kansas, at right tackle.

Santucci (ankle) may not dress for the first month with a high ankle sprain.

Is the Jurassic Line (Williams at center) extinct with Anderson gone?

[b]RUNNING BACKS (5): Chris Perry, Kenny Watson, DeDe Dorsey, FB Jeremi Johnson, FB Daniel Coats: [/b]

For whatever reason, Lewis has never been a big fan of Rudi Johnson and almost cut him the first season he was here in 2003. When he didn't practice for virtually a month this preseason, that was the final straw. But for four seasons he was as reliable and as durable as any back they've ever had.

They do hope Perry and Dorsey give them some danger on the perimeter with their speed. Dorsey's 45-yard run last year was the longest run from scrimmage in three years.

One thought. Perry and Dorsey have fewer than 100 NFL carries between them.

How many teams would hang with Jeremi Johnson after another bout of weight problems? It shows you how much they think of his value in the running game. Coats swings as a No. 2 fullback and No. 3 tight end.

[b]TIGHT ENDS (2): Reggie Kelly, Ben Utecht:[/b]

Utecht arrived as advertised with 10 pre-season catches. He and Perry are as much the No. 3 receivers as Simpson and Caldwell.

[b]DEFENSIVE LINE (9): Robert Geathers, Domata Peko, John Thornton, Antwan Odom, Jonathan Fanene, Michael Myers, Frostee Rucker, Pat Sims, Jason Shirley: [/b]

They may have kept an extra tackle (Myers?) because the third-rounder Sims (toe) won't be able to go in the opener and maybe a couple of games beyond. Plus, Odom (foot) is expected back for the opener but they've got to be worried about his conditioning since he hasn't suited up since the first practice.

But it also saved them in the dilemma between Myers and Shirley. Myers flat out produces when ever he gets in there and the massive Shirley flashed enough that they think he's worth the project.

Tough to see end Eric Henderson get cut. After such a good rookie year in '06, he had a tough time staying healthy. They switched him back to defensive end from SAM backer because of his natural pass-rushing abilities, but he had trouble staying healthy again after missing all of '07 with severe broken wrist. And linebacker Darryl Blackstock took advantage to show up more on the pass rush.

[b]LINEBACKERS (6): Keith Rivers, Dhani Jones, Rashad Jeanty, Brandon Johnson, Darryl Blackstock, Corey Mays:[/b]

Brooks, the third-round supplemental pick from '06 who was supposed to replace Odell Thurman in the middle, was another guy Lewis was never enamored with and his fate seemed to be sealed in the spring when they moved him out of the middle to SAM.

A superb athlete with great speed, Brooks never showed them football instincts. They almost kept Maxwell ahead of him for special teams purposes, but Lewis said whenever he sketched out his 45-man Gameday roster he always had just six backers active.

[b]SECONDARY (10): CB Johnathan Joseph, CB Leon Hall, CB David Jones, CB Simeon Castille, S Marvin White, S Dexter Jackson, S Chinedum Ndukwe, S Corey Lynch, S Kyries Hebert, S Herana-Daze Jones. [/b]

They may try to get Castille to the practice squad and pick off a veteran corner off waivers Sunday and it's a good week to do it. If they need more than three corners plus Herana-Daze Jones to play the Ravens next week, they're in trouble.

They went with six safeties not only because Ndukwe (knee) probably won't be ready for a week or two and Jackson's ankle is nicked, but because Lynch and Hebert emerged as top teamers. Look for Lynch to replace Landon Johnson as the all-important personal punt protector. Herana-Daze Jones flashed his ability to play both corner and safety competently Thursday night and probably got him back on the club.

O'Neal, 31, had a good year last season but he struggled enough in the preseason that they just didn't want to pay him $3M if he couldn't beat out David Jones or return punts.

[b]SPECIALISTS (3): K Shayne Graham, P Kyle Larson, LS Brad St. Louis[/b].

St. Louis is now The Dean with 123 games as a long snapper and Anderson gone.[/quote]





[url="http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7002"]http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7002[/url]

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[quote][size=5][b]How cuts affect lineup[/b][/size]
By Mark Curnutte • mcurnutte@enquirer.com • August 31, 2008


[b]CUT-DOWN DAY[/b]
The Bengals made 22 roster moves Saturday to reach the 53-player limit. Among them were the releases of some high-profile veterans.


The Bengals terminated the contracts of 13th-year offensive lineman Willie Anderson, ninth-year cornerback Deltha O'Neal and eighth-year tailback Rudi Johnson, all former Pro Bowl players with the team.

[b]Here's the impact

On the running game[/b]
Chris Perry will be the starter, with Kenny Watson and DeDe Dorsey in backup roles.

[b]On the offensive line[/b]
The starters, left to right, will be Levi Jones, Andrew Whitworth, Eric Ghiaciuc, Bobbie Williams and Stacy Andrews. Scott Kooistra is the sixth man because he plays both guard spots and right tackle.

[b]On the salary cap[/b]
The Bengals will not have to pay Johnson's $3.2 million base salary, Anderson's $3.15 million and O'Neal's $2.85 million - though salary cap savings are less than that because of amortized signing bonus effects.

[b]On the roster[/b]
Expect the Bengals to add a veteran cornerback and/or a center off waivers and possibly move center Dan Santucci (ankle) to the season-ending injured reserve list and waive center Kyle Cook.

[b]On the players[/b]
Anderson's career might be over, though head coach Marvin Lewis left open the possibility of a return. Johnson and O'Neal will draw interest from other teams.[/quote]



[url="http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080831/SPT02/808310404/1066"]http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../808310404/1066[/url]

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i dont care who starts for this team at rb... we just have to block well. good god i hope they look better against the ravens than they have most the preseason (1st team oline)

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[quote name='Bengals1181' post='693510' date='Aug 30 2008, 07:34 PM']as for the 3 centers, I'm sure much of it has to do with santucci not being ready to go game 1 because of his ankle. Once he's healthy, Cook will probably be cut in favor of a RG/RT guy.[/quote]

I would agree... I think assuming Santucci comes back soon (I think he can play G, too), Cook goes to the PS. Actually, I could see Big Willie coming back after the first game, when they're not under the gun for his entire salary. That is, if he wants to, and no one else has already obtained his services.

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[quote name='texbengal' post='693603' date='Aug 31 2008, 08:28 AM']I would agree... I think assuming Santucci comes back soon (I think he can play G, too), Cook goes to the PS. Actually, I could see Big Willie coming back after the first game, when they're not under the gun for his entire salary. That is, if he wants to, and no one else has already obtained his services.[/quote]


yea they've played santucci some a RG but I don't know how good he is at it.

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[quote name='MAGICTOUCH' post='693385' date='Aug 30 2008, 05:56 PM']Jones and Castille suck donkey balls[/quote]


great in depth analysis... :rolleyes:

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I guess I just don't see why everyone is so upset.

Big Willie wasn't playing worth a damn this year, or last year obviously, and it was time for him to go. If anyone cares to remember, there have always been rumbles that he was not the positive presence in the locker room that everyone seems to want to believe he was.

Rudi couldn't get on the field, and there have been many close to the Bengals saying he was milking his hamstring since last year. His comments about "they've been trying to get rid of me for years" says volumes to me. Yet another negative locker room presence gone by the wayside.

Deltha sucked this pre-season, and it looked like he lost at least TWO steps. Jones is young and after watching the taped pre-season games, he has improved and is at least on par with Deltha in my opinion. We also know that Deltha has been a negative inluence because of his contract for at least a couple of years now.

Addition by subtraction seems to be the course of action the team has taken, and I'd be willing to bet we're looking at the waiver wire for seconday and OL help as we speak.

All of this doom and gloom is ridiculous, at least at this time.

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with the depth we have at DT, I'd like to see fanene drop back down to the 280lb range and focus on DE. His 300lb weight now is far too big to try and play DE at.

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[quote name='USN Bengal' post='693674' date='Aug 31 2008, 12:26 PM']I guess I just don't see why everyone is so upset.

Big Willie wasn't playing worth a damn this year, or last year obviously, and it was time for him to go. If anyone cares to remember, there have always been rumbles that he was not the positive presence in the locker room that everyone seems to want to believe he was.

Rudi couldn't get on the field, and there have been many close to the Bengals saying he was milking his hamstring since last year. His comments about "they've been trying to get rid of me for years" says volumes to me. Yet another negative locker room presence gone by the wayside.

Deltha sucked this pre-season, and it looked like he lost at least TWO steps. Jones is young and after watching the taped pre-season games, he has improved and is at least on par with Deltha in my opinion. We also know that Deltha has been a negative inluence because of his contract for at least a couple of years now.

Addition by subtraction seems to be the course of action the team has taken, and I'd be willing to bet we're looking at the waiver wire for seconday and OL help as we speak.

All of this doom and gloom is ridiculous, at least at this time.[/quote]


gonna agree with ya... willie was useless, rudi was disgruntled and unreliable, oneal i will miss, brooks may ahve been a mistake but its tough to argue against..

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[quote name='GoBengals' post='694248' date='Sep 1 2008, 08:44 PM']gonna agree with ya... willie was useless, rudi was disgruntled and unreliable, oneal i will miss, brooks may ahve been a mistake but its tough to argue against..[/quote]

Willie was great but can he play more than 2 games in a row?

As long as C. Perry stays healthy, no one will bring up this Rudi situation ever again.

O'Neal was soft and the younger guys are hungrier and cheaper.

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