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What should we do next, in the war on drugs?  

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  1. 1. What should we do next, in the war on drugs?

    • A. What do you mean... it's working fine :crazy:
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    • B. It's not working, but we need to keep pumping $ into the current way its done...
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    • C. War on drugs in necessary, but we need to attack illicit drugs only, and think seriously about legalizing and taxing marijuana...
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    • D. We need to scrap war on drugs, and figure a better way altogher...
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well Beotch now you can with The sYck deVelopment in a bottle!!!! for only 19.95!!!!


Nothing opens your mind to new things (and I'm not meaning harder drugs) more then lady Jane...

so back to this topic... still think the war on drugs namely cannabis is a good thing?

and in closing...
When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet. When toast is dropped, it always lands butter-side-down. I propose to strap buttered toast to the back of a cat, butter facing up. The two will hover, spinning, inches above the ground. With a giant buttered-toast/cat array, a high-speed monorail could easily link New York with Chicago. - Anon
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[quote name='The sYck deVelopment' date='Apr 11 2005, 08:58 PM']I've been smoking chronic for 6 years now... [right][post="74156"][/post][/right][/quote]


6 years?

Rookie.

B)

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i dont believe that majuana is a gate way drug crap.... if u want to try something else thats ur buisness but u should see what its done to other peopel.. i have never looked at a pot head and been damn that guys gone over the line shit normaly half the people i meet smoke and i cant even tell.. just like how they cant tell i smoke........ so legalise it tax it and let me live....
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I cannot imagine what would happen to the recording industry if there were no drugs.
Without LSD, would the Beatles have moved from the "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" era into the "Sgt Pepper" era?
You might as well burn every rock CD you own...

Every one I know who smokes pot is absolutely NO threat to society.
Shit, I go to one of their houses and they're all stoned and I'm like "Hey let's go do something!", and they're like "You mean OUTSIDE?"

:lol:

If any case against pot can be made, it would be that it is damaging to your lungs. My bonghit friends have a worse hack than I do from smoking cigarettes.
Also, my pothead friends are LAZY! God love 'em...

BTW, I smoke but I had to give it up for an impending drug test. Weed is a motivating force for me. I write, talk and do stuff endlessly while smoking. The only exception is when I'm smoking AND drinking simultaneously (wait-that's ALWAYS!)....

:lol: :lol:

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[quote name='BengalsCat' date='Apr 12 2005, 11:43 AM']i dont believe that majuana is a gate way drug crap.... if u want to try something else thats ur buisness but u should see what its done to other peopel.. i have never looked at a pot head and been damn that guys gone over the line shit normaly half the people i meet smoke and i cant even tell.. just like how they cant tell i smoke........ so legalise it tax it and let me live....
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Marijuana is a gateway drug. The gateway that it opens is the gateway of acceptibility. Once you accept pot as "O.K." it makes it easier to accept the rest as "O.K.". You've crossed the thresh-hold into illegal drugs. This doesn't mean that everyone that smokes pot will do hard drugs, just that the use of harder drugs becomes more acceptible to you as a drug user than it is to a non drug user.
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[quote name='sean' date='Apr 12 2005, 06:19 PM']Marijuana is a gateway drug. The gateway that it opens is the gateway of acceptibility. Once you accept pot as "O.K." it makes it easier to accept the rest as "O.K.".  You've crossed the thresh-hold into illegal drugs. This doesn't mean that everyone that smokes pot will do hard drugs, just that the use of harder drugs becomes more acceptible to you as a drug user than it is to a non drug user.
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With that thinking then cigerettes are a gateway drug to heroin!

Most heroin addicts also use tobacco! They should outlaw tobacco because its obvious that it leads to heroin use!

See how dumb the gateway argument is?
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[quote name='BengalBacker' date='Apr 12 2005, 05:05 AM']6 years?

Rookie.

B)
[right][post="74308"][/post][/right][/quote]


LOL Mom asked me to not doing anything untill i was 18. where i'm from you respect your mothers wishes..cause they always say..."I brought you in to this world and I can take you out" and since i don't think i could ever hit my mother no matter how hard she beat my ass...she proably could. LOL

i'm kind of glad i did wait though, cause it gave me the knowledge to read up on what i choose to do, I think had i started when most of my friends did (14-15) i wouldnt be so smart in my desicions and proably would have moved to more harder drugs... you know.

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[quote name='BengalsCat' date='Apr 12 2005, 01:41 PM']LMAO.. yeah i know what u mean.. i gotta smoke before i do menail work around the house... it makes it bearable.. and i dont think if i would go outside even if i wasnt high.....
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I love to go outside when i'm high... ever noticed how everything is so bright, and smells so good... Trees just look so much cooler... bud looks great in natural light as well...
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[quote name='Storm' date='Apr 12 2005, 07:47 PM']With that thinking then cigerettes are a gateway drug to heroin!

Most heroin addicts also use tobacco!  They should outlaw tobacco because its obvious that it leads to heroin use!

[b]See how dumb the gateway argument is?[/b]
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i second that. It all comes down to the user... and they're personal choice.
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[quote name='Storm' date='Apr 12 2005, 06:47 PM']With that thinking then cigerettes are a gateway drug to heroin!

Most heroin addicts also use tobacco!  They should outlaw tobacco because its obvious that it leads to heroin use!

See how dumb the gateway argument is?
[right][post="74592"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote]

No... cigs are legal.
You're not making sense.
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[quote name='sean' date='Apr 13 2005, 05:09 PM']No... cigs are legal.
You're not making sense.
[right][post="75164"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote]


he's making perfect sense, read what you typed, and then read his reply... it's the truth... with how you stated your case, what storm said goes right along with it...

"With that THINKING. "
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i'd say that alcohol would be the gateway drug if you want to get technical... sure, most people start at cigerettes but you don't get high... its just perceived as being cool... alcohol is most people's first taste of a buzz, and much more equivalent to higher drugs than weed is, as far as buzzes go... but since alcohol is more acceptable, they consider weed as the gateway drug... nice try media... we're not idiots.
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[quote name='The sYck deVelopment' date='Apr 13 2005, 05:25 PM']he's making perfect sense, read what you typed, and then read his reply... it's the truth...  with how you stated your case, what storm said goes right along with it... 

"With that THINKING. "
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No
[quote]Marijuana is a gateway drug. The gateway that it opens is the gateway of acceptibility. Once you accept pot as "O.K." it makes it easier to accept the rest as "O.K.". [b]You've crossed the thresh-hold into illegal drugs. [/b]This doesn't mean that everyone that smokes pot will do hard drugs, just that the use of harder drugs becomes more acceptible to you as a drug user than it is to a non drug user.[/quote]
Cigs are legal. The gateway is crossed when you deem the use of "illegal " drugs acceptible. The first step in [b]illegal[/b] drug use is usually marijuana.
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[quote name='sean' date='Apr 13 2005, 11:10 PM']Cigs are legal. The gateway is  crossed when you deem the use of "illegal " drugs acceptible. The first step in [b]illegal[/b] drug use is usually marijuana.
[right][post="75406"][/post][/right][/quote]


So if we make it legal, it's no longer a gateway drug. Problem solved. :P

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[quote name='sean' date='Apr 14 2005, 01:25 PM']agreed! :D
Think of the taxes they could collect. :blink:
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... problem solved.

and i see your point Sean. don't agree with it completely, am underage kid could just as easily get beer, or wine, and thats crossing the thresh hold as well isint it? but I do see your point...

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I think one of the problems if they legalize marijuana they wouldn't get as much taxes as people think, a lot of people would resort to growing their own which is relatively easy on the other hand people can't grow their own tobacco and get the same result.


The govt makes tons of money off illegal marijuana by confiscating money and property and you can't tell me the drugs they confiscate don't make it back to the street
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I could write a paper about this subject but I' m going to try to condense my thoughts to 3 paragraphs.


This "war" is one of the biggest farces in American history. Our government has there finger prints on alot of evidence that shows that they are very guilty in dealing drugs. The war on drugs started in the 1980's if my memory serves me correctly, coincedentaily the 80's was one of the worst decades as it goes for drug use and the like. While Nancy Reagan was telling kids to just say no, the CIA was moving hundreds of pounds of drugs for various reasons, talk about hypocrisy.


The relationship between Noregia and our government is well documented and Noregia was one of the biggest drug dealers ever. To say our government wanted to stop the drug problem is false, the CIA and FBI are directly involved and profit from the drug trade and they have been for years. In the late 60's when civil rights movement was considered by J. Edgar Hoover to be the single most dangerous threat to American security he divised a plan to work with the Italian mafia to flood black communities with cheap heroine, the plan worked and many would be activist turned into junkies. Smack(aka Girl, Heroine) begot cocaine which gave way to crack and now you see were we are today. Now, no one forced people to use drugs, but having a ready and cheap supply available to you 24 hours a day on your street cormer doesn't help. The CIA was buying poppy seeds from Afganshistan in the 60's, and they haven't stopped in the drug trade. I truly believe that the Bush family(George Sr, was the director of the CIA for many years) is very involved in the drug trade, as most drug dealers will tell you Florida and Texas are two of the biggest drug trafficking states and guess who is the current governor and former governor of those states.

[quote]It has been confirmed that there were no heroin factories in Pakistan before 1979 and "in 1980," says Harold D Wankel, DEA Assistant Administrator of Operations. Later on, Opium production had all but been destroyed by Afghanistan's Taliban regime. Poppy cultivation, according to the UN, plummeted from 80,000 hectares in 2000 to little over 5,000ha in 2001. But in 2002, with the renewed interest of ISI, production was back to between 40,000ha and 60,000ha, according to the UNDCP. This is a weak indication of US agencies have brought ringing poppy growing and heroin manufacturing spill over to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Stronger evidence lies in the fact that the CIA-drug relation goes back to late 1960's. According to [b]Victor Marchetti, a veteran of 14 years with the CIA - where he rose to be executive assistant to the Deputy Director of CIA - in 1967 "one officer was assigned to travel all over Latin America, buying up all sorts of hallucinatory drugs[/b] which might have some application to intelligence activities and operations." [b]That was the point when CIA first got involved with the drugs, and planned to use them for financing it operations[/b].

[b]John D Marks, who worked as an analyst and US State Department Intelligence Expert for many years, wrote how the CIA was involved in narcotics trafficking since Vietnam War.[/b] In Vietnam, he wrote, "the CIA hoped to defeat the Pathet Lao and North Vietnamese; for that purpose,... The CIA was willing that the Meo [continue] to sell the drugs during their 'secret' war," for the US against communists.

As recently as [b]2001, many farmers, including Haji Sultan, chief of the Nur Zai tribe in Afghanistan, made the explosive charge that before coming to power, officials in the pro-US Karzai regime made it clear that if the pro-Taliban southern provinces changed sides, the government would look the other way if opium was grown[/b]. "You can imagine. Poppies were outlawed by the Taliban. Suddenly, everyone in the south saw they could make money again if they kicked out the Taliban. (3)

When [b]planes of the' CIA proprietary airline, Air America could be used to carry opium[/b] for Meos and the US highest military officers supported by the Agency could be the kingpins of the drugs trade - as explained in "CIA and the Cult of Intelligence"; how can we believe that the CIA didn't suggest ISI and Pakistan army to help it trade drugs for buying guns and turning Afghanistan into a Soviet Vietnam. 

ISI might have assisted CIA in trafficking drugs as it has assisted it in every other adventure within and outside Pakistan, but our armed forces have definitely not trafficked drugs as a matter of official policy like the CIA. The DEA sponsored ANF in Pakistan has definitely advanced US agenda, such as its role in framing editor in Chief of the Frontier Post. However, there is no evidence that ISI got involved with CIA to the extent of [b]SIN (the CIA created unit in Haitian Army). In 1986, the CIA created SIN to fight cocaine trade. However, according to its undeclared objectives, SIN quickly got involved in the CIA-protected biggest drug dealing operations in the Caribbean region.[/b]

Even if some military or ISI officials have been involved in drug trafficking on personal level, . According to the [b]it needs a Herculean effort to counter US propaganda and make public believe that the amount of privately smuggled drugs into US is no more than a fraction of the amount trafficked by the US agencies. (4) According to San Diego Union-Tribune (August 13, 1996), Celerino Castelo -- a former DEA agent -- stated that together with three other ex-DEA agents, they were willing to testify in Congress regarding their direct knowledge of CIA involvement in international drug trafficking. Castillo estimates that approximately 75% of narcotics entered the US with the acquiescence or direct participation of US and foreign CIA agents.

Other than baseless accusations, the US has no evidence to prove our armed forces guilty of drug trafficking for its own sustainability. On the other hand irrefutable evidence is available to show that the CIA has funded most of its covert operations - like the one used for shutting down BCCI - with drug money, earned through organized selling of drugs to its own people[/b]court transcripts of BCCI case: "By late 1987, the agents had passed approximately $2.2 million derived from Don Chepe's [Colombian drug lord] proceeds through the IDC account, and had split the 7-8% commission profit with Mora [an established money launderer in Colombia] and Don Chepe's representative Javier Ospina, without telling any BCCI officers about drugs." (5)[/quote]


Here's the website were this qoute is taken from.[url="http://icssa.org/ISI_%20drugs.htm"]Click Here[/url]


Anyway, the majority of people in prison are black men, the majority of black men in prison are there for drug related charges, mostly for dealing. The prison industry is a billion dollar business and it's saving many small towns across America, providing an economy to cities that have been devastated by plants closing and the like. Illegal drugs are the driving force behind these prisons, because if drugs weren't illegal then the majority of the prisoners would be free. The drug problem in America is something that needs to dealt with and there is precedent were legalization can help. There is some Scandanavian country were all drugs are legal and crime and disease is shocking low. Since the drugs are legal then the users go to a clinic were they can use their drugs in a safe, monitered, and disease free environment. The users don't after worry about getting or spreading diseases from dirty needles or having to rob someone since the government supplies the drugs. Without drug users committing crimes and spreading diseases the numbers are very low for a country were drugs are legal. I remember a few years ago the governor for New Mexico or Arizona was trying to lead the movement to get drugs legalized, I think that was before 9/11.

The truth is out there, it just depends if you can handle the truth. Here are some good books to read that offer an intersting P.O.V. on this subject and how it relates to our current president. [url="http://www.secrecyandprivilege.com/"]Click Here[/url] Drugs=Money and we all know money makes the world the go round.

If you still don't believe me then here are some more sources that back my arguement.

Notes


1. See: Peter Dale Scott and Jonathan Marshall, "Cocaine Politics Drugs, Armies
and the CIA in Central America (University of California Press, 1991), which tells how the CIA works with narcotics traffickers, and then fights to suppress the truth. It concludes, the US government "is one of the world's largest drug pushers."

Also see, "Gary Web, "Dark Alliance: the CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion" which gives names, dates, places, and dollar amounts to build a towering wall of evidence in support of his argument.

Cellerino Castillo, "Powder Burns: Cocaine, Contras & The Drug Connection (1992), is yet another book by a retired DEA agent

Ryan Mark Zepezauer, "The CIA's Greatest Hits (The Real Story)." According to the author, by 1970 the US was flooded with pure Asian heroin; some of it was even smuggled back into the country in the corpses of US soldiers...... The CIA airline, Air America, ran weapons to Hmong armies in Laos and brought their opium crop back out to market. Some of these massive profits were laundered in Australia and then used to finance other CIA operations..... The Nicaraguan contras were partially funded by cocaine operations, smuggled to and from the US on customs free supply flights. CIA assets in Honduras, Costa Rica, El Salvador and Panama helped to facilitate the trading."

Michael Levine, Laura Kavanau Levine, "The Big White Lie: the Deep Cover Operation" exposes the CIA's exploitation and the "deadliest lie" ever perpetrated by the US government - the War on Drugs.

2. Dawn report, ISI criticized at US Senate hearing, March 22, 2003

3. Charles Clover, "Afghan poppy farmers resist attempts to destroy crop..," Financial Times; Apr 10, 2002

4. According to Paul Johnson, Modern Times (New York: Harper Perenial, 1991 rev. ed., p.782), "By the end of the 1980's it was calculated that the illegal use of drugs in the United States now netted its controllers over $110 billion a year." Just one CIA drug ring that of Rafael Caro Quintero and Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo based in Guadalajara, Mexico was smuggling four tons a month into the US during the same period! Other operations including Manuel Noriega (Panama), John Hull (Costa Rica), Felix Rodriguez (El Salvador), Juan Ramon Matta Ballesteros (Honduras) and elements of the Guatemalan and Honduran military were dealing close to two hundred tons a year or close to 70% of total US consumption at the same time!

5. US District Court transcripts for the BCCI related case: US Vs Amjad Awan et al 88-330-Cr-T-13( B)
R48-791-49, 50
R67-1136-160, 161 and 162
R83-881-26,27, and 28
GE 3193

6. Robert Bonner , CBS "60 MINUTES" Show, November 21, 1993.
7. For more information in this regard, see The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia by Alfred W. McCoy with Cathleen B. Read and Leonard P. Adams II (http://www.drugtext.org/library/books/McCoy/) and The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade by Alfred W. McCoy [url="http://(http://www.ftrbooks.net/conspiracy/cia/heroin_politics.htm)"](http://www.ftrbooks.net/conspiracy/cia/heroin_politics.htm)[/url]

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[color="blue"][i]The person who thinks the War on Drugs is going Fine must Sell Drugs


Everyone knows Drug Dealers love that it is illegal, ..... if it was legal they couldn't compete with Phillip Morris when it came to Production [/color][/i]
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[quote name='The sYck deVelopment' date='Apr 18 2005, 08:39 PM']you know how you said Texas and Fl are huge drug markets...  some told me that was the reason why liquor was so cheap there...  here in VA a gallon jug of Yeager, is 55 bucks in Florida it's only 30. 

Is that true?  and if so, is it because of all the drug trafficking? has anyone else heard this?
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I couldn't tell ya buddy.
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