Ben Roethlisberger Accused of Sexual Assault

[oldschooler]

A question to all the people that were saying they'd rather
have Roethlisberger be the QB over Carson (you know who you are).

You still feel that way?

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='PutWittyNameHere' date='12 April 2010 - 11:55 PM' timestamp='1271130937' post='877204']
It doesn't matter what anyone "thinks" happens. It only matters what he was charged with in the eyes of the law. My person opinion is that he's a sleaze. I thought that before this case ever happened from stories I've heard about it. But that doesn't matter. The truth is that prosecutors didn't have enough evidence to say that something definitively happened. The NFL can't punish someone for something that no one knows actually happened or not.

Henry was routinely arrested, charged, and/or plead guilty in his incidents prior to being suspended. That was an easy decision for the league. Roethlisberger is a much more complicated scenario since he currently has a spotless arrest record.

If a player gets arrested or is at least ultimately charged with something, then the NFL can do something. [color="#FF0000"]But without something tangible to punich a player for, the NFL's hands are tied.[/color]
[/quote]


Not even remotely true, the NFL has said as much.

[Ben]

Nice Rape Mullet

[|Tigers Johnson|]

[quote name='Le Tigre' date='13 April 2010 - 07:50 AM' timestamp='1271159424' post='877227']
The only statement from the DA after letting him go...was "grow up"

Trusting from the looks of Benny's new 'do...he is making great strides in that direction.
[img]http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/201004/mh_roethlisberger_01_500.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

Just reading body language from his press conference he looked like someone who was guilty of something....

He rocked back and forth.....his eyes were all over the place....and could not wait to get out of there....


At the very least he looked embarrassed.

[turningpoint]

Ha wow he looks like a retired wwe wrestler.

[Hooky]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' date='13 April 2010 - 10:15 AM' timestamp='1271168157' post='877282']
Just reading body language from his press conference he looked like someone who was guilty of something....

He rocked back and forth.....his eyes were all over the place....and could not wait to get out of there....


At the very least he looked embarrassed.
[/quote]
And he's apologizing though he didn't do anything.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='PutWittyNameHere' date='12 April 2010 - 11:55 PM' timestamp='1271130937' post='877204']

If a player gets arrested or is at least ultimately charged with something, then the NFL can do something. But without something tangible to punich a player for, the NFL's hands are tied.
[/quote]


not true. the league has already done it multiple times, notably to Chris Henry, Pacman, and Brandon Marshall.

[Bgal]

I feel bad for the girls in situations like this. If it were my friend, I'd tell her to seek help privately but not press charges at all. I couldn't imagine dealing with the trauma of being sexually assaulted, while also having the added insult of everyone picking sides and judging your character. I highly doubt he even paid her off, I bet she just decided that the publicity and long court case wasn't necessary for her to heal. Sexual assaults can be very difficult to prove, even when no celebrities are involved, and her lawyers probably told her as much.

[Bengals1181]

lol at Skip Bayless saying the Chargers should dump Rivers and trade for Ben. I think Rivers is extremely overrated, but that's just stupid.

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='Bengals1181' date='13 April 2010 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1271171961' post='877295']
Skip Bayless stupid.
[/quote]

[|Elflocko|]

Found this on Deadspin:

[quote]• Mark Madden, Beaver County Times, via Second-String Fullback:

Not too long ago, rumor had it, the Steelers had a quarterback who liked men. You weren't real comfortable with that.
The current Steelers quarterback likes women. You don't like that, either. Make up your mind.[/quote]

[Jom112]

When it rains, it pours...

[quote]
Boston attorney Harry Manion joined the Dennis & Callahan show Tuesday morning and said that he was recently involved in an investigation into an incident involving Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger that was similar to last month’s situation at a Georgia nightclub for which Roethlisberger faces a possible suspension from the NFL.

[b]“Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl’s story,” said Manion, a partner at the firm of Cooley Manion Jones, LLP and a frequent guest of WEEI. “The outcome was that the young woman did not want to proceed, and we did not take any action. There is a history here — and I can’t say any further because we never proceeded with it — but there is a history here that is just super troubling.”[/b]

The Georgia case marks the second time in a year that Roethlisberger has been accused of sexual misconduct. He also faces a lawsuit filed last year by a woman who says he raped her in 2008 at a Lake Tahoe hotel and casino, an allegation the quarterback denies. Roethlisberger has not been criminally charged in either case and has claimed counterdamages in the lawsuit.

Manion said this latest incident should be the wakeup call that finally gets Roethlisberger to clean up his act. “Unless he’s totally brain dead — and we don’t know — he would be scared,” Manion said. “Because he has really walked a perilous line here. There’s a whole litany here, not only my experience, I have connected with several other people that have experience. And you know, there’s only so far that he said/she said will get you. There’s only so far that paying hush money will get you, if hush money is paid. And there’s only so far that, ‘Gee, we’re celebrities, we have a target on our back,’ will get you. When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously …”

Added Manion: “It’s the scene that he’s gotten himself caught up with, and the belief that he can walk, and so far, so good. But it’s hurting him. He’s hurt. He has been damaged. And the next one, the wrath of God’s going to come down on him, if there is a next one.”

To hear the interview, click on the Dennis & Callahan audio on demand page. Check back later this morning for a transcript.

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2010/04/13/boston-attorney-on-roethlisberger-there-is-a-history-here-that-is-just-super-troubling/
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[PutWittyNameHere]

[quote name='Bengals1181' date='13 April 2010 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1271169967' post='877287']
not true. the league has already done it multiple times, notably to Chris Henry, Pacman, and Brandon Marshall.
[/quote]

Every single one of those guys were either arrested, charged, and/or found guilty of crimes before being suspended.

You're doing a fantastic job of proving my point.

[Oldcat]

[quote name='PutWittyNameHere' date='13 April 2010 - 09:40 AM' timestamp='1271176839' post='877315']
Every single one of those guys were either arrested, charged, and/or found guilty of crimes before being suspended.

You're doing a fantastic job of proving my point.
[/quote]

Odell Thurman wasn't.

[Jom112]

[quote name='Oldcat' date='13 April 2010 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1271177200' post='877318']
Odell Thurman wasn't.
[/quote]

Thurman skipped a league required drug test before he got suspended. Then was arrested for a DUI...

[|Tigers Johnson|]

What is left to argue, really?

A lot of people have known for a long time that Ben is a douchebag.

He just continues to spread the news to all and confirm what a lot already believe....

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Elflocko' date='13 April 2010 - 12:06 PM' timestamp='1271174785' post='877306']
Found this on Deadspin:
[/quote]


Mark Madden is a steelers apologist. If there is anyone that deserves punched in the throat...

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='PutWittyNameHere' date='13 April 2010 - 12:40 PM' timestamp='1271176839' post='877315']
Every single one of those guys were either arrested, charged, and/or found guilty of crimes before being suspended.

You're doing a fantastic job of proving my point.
[/quote]


But were suspended for items that had nothing to do with those arrests. The language is there, the league doesnt have to wait for a conviction if it doesnt want to, it's at their discretion.

[|Elflocko|]

[quote name='Jamie_B' date='13 April 2010 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1271183863' post='877347']
Mark Madden is a steelers apologist. If there is anyone that deserves punched in the throat...
[/quote]

I just thought it was funny taken out of context...

[AmishBengalFan]

I'm going to start a another Roethlisberger assault thread for today's new allegation. Looks like the article Jon112 and I both found independently needs a little more attention than it's getting. I am certain they'll be merged together into one big Roethlisberger Can't Keep His Weenie Clean thread, but for now folks need to know there's yet another allegation (that makes three now).

[claptonrocks]

You just KNOW that the commish is waiting for this idiot to enter the office and slam his ass with
a suspension....
couldnt happen to a better guy or lovelier city that Pittsburgh.

[PutWittyNameHere]

[quote name='Jamie_B' date='13 April 2010 - 01:40 PM' timestamp='1271184005' post='877348']
But were suspended for items that had nothing to do with those arrests. The language is there, the league doesnt have to wait for a conviction if it doesnt want to, it's at their discretion.
[/quote]

They don't have to wait for a conviction, no. But there has to be something to go on. There needs to be an arrest, charges filed or something, sometime. Otherwise, you get a very slippery slope. If Goodell does decide to suspend Ben, I would expect a very quick appeal by the players' union.

If Ben gets suspended, what's to stop a few crazed Steeler fans from falsely accusing Carson of something just to get him suspended? That's not say I think Ben's accusations were all falsely reported...only that it doesn't matter. If you start suspending players for every investigation, regardless of whether or not any real charges come from it, you set a very bad precedent.

Like I said, if the players' union had any balls at all, they'd fight tooth and nail for any suspension against Ben. I just don't know if they do anymore, sadly.

[-GoBengals-]

[quote name='PutWittyNameHere' date='12 April 2010 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1271130937' post='877204']
It doesn't matter what anyone "thinks" happens. It only matters what he was charged with in the eyes of the law. My person opinion is that he's a sleaze. I thought that before this case ever happened from stories I've heard about it. But that doesn't matter. The truth is that prosecutors didn't have enough evidence to say that something definitively happened. [b]The NFL can't punish someone for something that no one knows actually happened or not. [/b]

Henry was routinely arrested, charged, and/or plead guilty in his incidents prior to being suspended. That was an easy decision for the league. Roethlisberger is a much more complicated scenario since he currently has a spotless arrest record.

If a player gets arrested or is at least ultimately charged with something, then the NFL can do something. But without something tangible to punich a player for, the NFL's hands are tied.
[/quote]

since when?

someone isnt paying attention the CBA basically states that the commish can do as he god damn well pleases for any reason.. and you can appeal if you dont like it.... to the commish that is..

[oldschooler]

[quote name='PutWittyNameHere' date='13 April 2010 - 11:25 PM' timestamp='1271219113' post='877538']
They don't have to wait for a conviction, no. But there has to be something to go on. There needs to be an arrest, charges filed or something, sometime. Otherwise, you get a very slippery slope. If Goodell does decide to suspend Ben, I would expect a very quick appeal by the players' union.

If Ben gets suspended, what's to stop a few crazed Steeler fans from falsely accusing Carson of something just to get him suspended? That's not say I think Ben's accusations were all falsely reported...only that it doesn't matter. If you start suspending players for every investigation, regardless of whether or not any real charges come from it, you set a very bad precedent.

Like I said, if the players' union had any balls at all, they'd fight tooth and nail for any suspension against Ben. I just don't know if they do anymore, sadly.
[/quote]


Again, the conduct policy allows the league to investigate and discipline players [b]accused[/b] of engaging in "criminal conduct."

You think Ben or any player should be able to rape women, threaten them with high priced lawyers,
pay hush money and nothing happen? Because you know, no charges were filed. That is what the NFL
will investigate. And I think they should.

The NFL will use all their resources to investigate what really happened. That doesn't mean every player
accused of something will be suspended. It means if their investigation finds cause for suspension, then
said player will be suspended.


People could accuse Carson all they want. The NFL would find nothing and move on.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='PutWittyNameHere' date='14 April 2010 - 12:25 AM' timestamp='1271219113' post='877538']
They don't have to wait for a conviction, no. But there has to be something to go on. There needs to be an arrest, charges filed or something, sometime. Otherwise, you get a very slippery slope. If Goodell does decide to suspend Ben, I would expect a very quick appeal by the players' union.

If Ben gets suspended, what's to stop a few crazed Steeler fans from falsely accusing Carson of something just to get him suspended? That's not say I think Ben's accusations were all falsely reported...only that it doesn't matter. If you start suspending players for every investigation, regardless of whether or not any real charges come from it, you set a very bad precedent.

Like I said, if the players' union had any balls at all, they'd fight tooth and nail for any suspension against Ben. I just don't know if they do anymore, sadly.
[/quote]


I would think 2 (and only one of those 2 settled) with a rumor of a 3rd case is enough.