From Clayton's latest mailbag:

[b]Q: Will the Ravens' problems in the secondary really cost them first place in the division? Sufficient cornerbacks seem to be a dime a dozen. I don't care what Saints fans say, their CBs weren't all that great and the Ravens have better safeties than they do … and New Orleans won a Super Bowl!

Danny in Hollywood, Fla.[/b]

A: I think it could cost them the AFC North. Before seeing them and before the Domonique Foxworth injury, I thought the Ravens would win 11 games and the division. The cornerback situation has caused me to switch to the Bengals, a team with a top-five defense and plenty of offensive weapons. Lardarius Webb is a good potential starter, but I don't think he will be ready for the season opener and he might need the full season to get back to full speed after offseason knee surgery. Sure, the Ravens can get good pressure with the front seven, but that's a heavy burden for the group to carry over 16 games. The key to the division race is how the Ravens do in Week 4 in Pittsburgh. If the Ravens can win that game against a Steelers team without Ben Roethlisberger, they can get a sweep of the Steelers and maybe get to 10 or 11 wins. If they lose, it will be more difficult and the cornerback situation will make it tougher for the Ravens.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5467261

So he's saying we should be rooting for the Stealers in Week 4 against the Rats? I'm sorry, but I have a hard time rooting for Pittsburgh against ANYBODY, even Baltimore. (I know lots of Stealer fans, but no Ravens fans, and the Ravens don't have Hines Ward or Ben Roeth playing for them.)

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So he's saying we should be rooting for the Stealers in Week 4 against the Rats? I'm sorry, but I have a hard time rooting for Pittsburgh against ANYBODY, even Baltimore. (I know lots of Stealer fans, but no Ravens fans, and the Ravens don't have Hines Ward or Ben Roeth playing for them.)
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Plus we have beaten the Ravens 8 of the last 11 times we have played them. So, compared to the Steelers, it is hard to work up the same amount of hatred for a team we have owned like that.

not sceered!

I definitely prefer baltimore to beat pitt in week 4, then them lose to them later on down the road.....

I just hate the perception that people are sleeping on the Steelers.

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I just hate the perception that people are sleeping on the Steelers.
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Yeah I think this division will be an all out war this year...... and come down to the final week. I think injuries will be the deciding factor. Key ones are already piling up.

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Plus we have beaten the Ravens 8 of the last 11 times we have played them. So, compared to the Steelers, it is hard to work up the same amount of hatred for a team we have owned like that.
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To be fair, it's actually 8 of the last 11 that Carson has started in. Not to nit-pick you, but I guess I did. Sorry.

I'm not scared of the Ravens because, under Marvin, they've been our bitch. The few times they've won was because Carson wasn't playing. With Carson of record against them is quite good, including quite a few passionate ass whoopings.

That team is our fucking bitch. And they know it.

With our weapons on offense and a defense that has almost always been successful shutting down the Ravens offense (even before Zimmer really turned us around) that'll be even better this year, there's no reason the games against them have to be close.

Raven fans still do not extend the respect.

We are still the Bengals to them. Need to sweep them again.

I will never root for the Steelers...

Unless them winning puts the Bengals in the playoffs... otherwise, NEVER.

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To be fair, it's actually 8 of the last 11 that Carson has started in. Not to nit-pick you, but I guess I did. Sorry.
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The original poster was right, it's 8 of 11, including the game Palmer missed in '08. Since the 2nd meeting in '04 the only Raven wins are the 1st meeting in '06 & both '08 games.