Jason Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 With the talk of Atlanta wanting to trade up to get Green, what would you want to go from 4 down to 27? According to the value chart, even if they gave us their entire draft it would not be enough (short by 600 points or so). So, with current rules (player trades not allowed) what is the minimum you would take from Atlanta to do the deal, or would you not do it at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 I'd take their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th and 2nd and 3rd from next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_dish Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Arent trades allowed now that the judge ruled against the leagues request for a stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorclaws Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 The Pats also want to move up and they have much more ammo to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='big_dish' timestamp='1304001314' post='986721'] Arent trades allowed now that the judge ruled against the leagues request for a stay? [/quote] I thought I read that the players are being advised (don't know by whom) to shop their services. Could have sworn I saw that on the ESPN ticker but I could be mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Also, as for the thread topic......I would trade #4 for #27 if Atlanta's willing to give us their whole draft this year minus 6th and 7th Rd'ers and their 1st and 2nd next year. I thought I read though, that Atlanta did not have a 2nd this year? If so, deal's off. Good day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubdub Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='IKOTA' timestamp='1304001787' post='986726'] Also, as for the thread topic......I would trade #4 for #27 if Atlanta's willing to give us their whole draft this year minus 6th and 7th Rd'ers and their 1st and 2nd next year. I thought I read though, that Atlanta did not have a 2nd this year? If so, deal's off. Good day! [/quote] I would just offer them chad for a 3rd...their chances of moving all the way up to get green are slim to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='kdubdub' timestamp='1304002688' post='986733'] I would just offer them chad for a 3rd...their chances of moving all the way up to get green are slim to none. [/quote] I don't think trading players is an option at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange 'n Black Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 We should do it, I think. Take their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th this year and a 1st and 2nd next year. Then you can package, say, this year's 1st and 3rd to move back up a few spots if a guy is there they really like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrassBengal Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Seems like there might be more than ATL looking to trade up......if multiple teams want to go to 5 someone wants to go to 4!! Cardinals hearing trade offers fro the No. 5 pick PUBLISHED Thursday, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:06 am EDT LAST UPDATED 1 hour and 52 minutes ago Clifton Brown Sporting News The Cardinals have received trade offers for Thursday night’s fifth pick in the NFL Draft, and they expect to hear more. "Some of them are just exploratory and some of them are serious," coach Ken Whisenhunt told the Arizona Republic. "There are a couple that you know are serious but there’s a couple that could get more serious as we get closer to it." Arizona Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt walks among his players during NFL football practice on Wednesday, Aug. 25, 2010, in Nashville, Tenn. The Cardinals and Tennessee Titans held a combined practice two days after playing against each other in a preseason game. (AP Photo) The Cardinals need a quarterback and may be in position to draft Missouri’s Blaine Gabbert with the fifth pick. However, will Gabbert be ready to make an impact as a rookie? The Cardinals might be better off acquiring a veteran quarterback later this offseason like Kevin Kolb of the Eagles, and using the fifth pick to draft a defensive player like Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller or LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson. Or, the Cardinals could trade down from the fifth pick, get an extra pick later, and still acquire an impact player. Perhaps the Texans (11th pick), who need defensive help, would consider trading up to get Peterson. There will be plenty of trade talk, but how many deals actually take place will be one of the major storylines of the draft. The Cardinals believe they are in a draft position that has leverage. "There’s all kinds of scenarios that could happen," Whisenhunt said. "We’re certainly not ruling out moving in the draft." Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-04-28/cardinals-hearing-trade-offers-fro-the-no-5-pick#ixzz1KpZmQR69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [size="1"]ATLANTA DOESN'T HAVE A 2ND ROUND PICK FOR THE 2011 DRAFT, WHICH TAKES PLACE TODAY, WELL TOMORROW IF YOU'RE THINKING 2ND ROUND. GOT IT PEOPLES?[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBR Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='turningpoint' timestamp='1304005175' post='986755'] [size="7"]ATLANTA DOESN'T HAVE A 2ND ROUND PICK FOR THE 2011 DRAFT, WHICH TAKES PLACE TODAY, WELL TOMORROW IF YOU'RE THINKING 2ND ROUND. GOT IT PEOPLES?[/size] [/quote] So who exactly is picking 59th then? Everyone I know of with a 2rnd mock draft still has Atlanta taking that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='BBR' timestamp='1304005350' post='986759'] So who exactly is picking 59th then? Everyone I know of with a 2rnd mock draft still has Atlanta taking that pick. [/quote] Well wtf i read every where they don't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='turningpoint' timestamp='1304005175' post='986755'] [size="7"]ATLANTA DOESN'T HAVE A 2ND ROUND PICK FOR THE 2011 DRAFT, WHICH TAKES PLACE TODAY, WELL TOMORROW IF YOU'RE THINKING 2ND ROUND. GOT IT PEOPLES?[/size] [/quote] WELL YOU NEED TO YELL AT NFL.COM AND TELL THEM THEY ARE WRONG TOO AND THAT THEY SHOULD GET IT, BECAUSE IT SEEMS YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES! [url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:2"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:2[/url] The complete assortment of Atlanta Falcons picks, pending trades and other general mayhem: Round 1, Pick 27 (27) Round 2, Pick 27 (59) Round 3, Pick 27 (91) Round 4, Pick 27 (124) Round 5, Pick 27 (158) Round 6, Pick 27 (192) Round 7, Pick 7 (210, from Detroit) Round 7, Pick 26 (229) Round 7, Pick 27 (230, from New England) [url="http://atlanta.sbnation.com/atlanta-falcons/2011/4/28/2138901/2011-nfl-draft-order-picks-atlanta-falcons"]http://atlanta.sbnation.com/atlanta-falcons/2011/4/28/2138901/2011-nfl-draft-order-picks-atlanta-falcons[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='turningpoint' timestamp='1304005175' post='986755'] [size="3"]ATLANTA DOESN'T HAVE A 2ND ROUND PICK FOR THE 2011 DRAFT, WHICH TAKES PLACE TODAY, WELL TOMORROW IF YOU'RE THINKING 2ND ROUND. GOT IT PEOPLES?[/size] [/quote] According to this they do. http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2011 Where are you getting your information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='turningpoint' timestamp='1304005566' post='986762'] Well wtf i read every where they don't have one. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [size="7"]IDIOT OF THE DAY AWARD GOES TO ME![/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1304005609' post='986765'] [/quote] ANd wow it's the texans that don't have a 2nd rounder...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [url="http://twitter.com/michaelombardi"][b][color="#0a0501"]michaelombardi[/color][/b][/url][url=""] [/url]Love being here in Radio City, getting ready for the draft, and hear the Bengals are looking to trade down from number 4 pick Andy Dalton. [url="http://twitter.com/michaelombardi/status/63620594863837185"]38 minutes ago[/url]via [url="http://twitter.com/#!/download/ipad"]Twitter for iPad[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1304005914' post='986771'] [url="http://twitter.com/michaelombardi"][b][color="#0a0501"]michaelombardi[/color][/b][/url][url=""] [/url]Love being here in Radio City, getting ready for the draft, and hear the Bengals are looking to trade down from number 4 pick Andy Dalton. [url="http://twitter.com/michaelombardi/status/63620594863837185"]38 minutes ago[/url]via [url="http://twitter.com/#!/download/ipad"]Twitter for iPad[/url] [/quote] Watch us draft andy dalton at #4...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Texas Christian quarterback Andy Dalton could be in play tonight in the first round of the NFL draft, according to league sources with knowledge of the situation. The Cincinnati Bengals are one possibility for Dalton if they trade back out of the fourth overall pick. Several NFL teams have projected Dalton as a first-round draft pick. Several general managers have privately compared Dalton to New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees and are of the belief that his arm strength will continue to improve once he's in the NFL. The Minnesota Vikings are another quarterback-needy team that has shown a lot of interest in Dalton, who visited the NFC North club. Dalton also visited the Saints, Washington Redskins, Bengals, San Francisco 49ers and the Tennessee Titans. He had 11 private workouts, including the New England Patriots and the Indianapolis Colts. "He had an unbelievable Pro Day, he played well in the all-star game and he did very well at the scouting combine," veteran former NFL assistant Jerry Rhome, Dalton's quarterback coach, told the National Football Post. "I know Andy can play. Andy is one of the sharpest quarterbacks I've been around and I coached Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Troy Aikman. He's a very accurate passer. "The knock on him is he's not the greatest athlete in the world. This kid ran a 4.8 and is 6-2, 215 pounds. He's really smart and he knows where to put the ball. He can move in the pocket, see down the field and put it where it has to go. There's a lot more to this game than just being big and strong. Andy is a winner." Dalton completed 66.1 percent of his throws last season and passed for 27 touchdowns, leading TCU to a Rose Bowl win over Wisconsin for his third bowl game Most Valuable Player. He owns every big passing record in school history. Dalton went 42-7 as a starter. He rushed for 1,611 career yards and 22 touchdowns. A two-time Mountain West Conference Offensive Player of the Year, Dalton finished ninth in the Heisman Trophy balloting last season. He passed for 11,678 career yards. "People say you don't have a strong arm or can't do something, it's just motivation to go out there and prove them wrong," Dalton said at the NFL scouting combine. "I understand the game really well. I think it's the way the offense was for me and TCU put a lot on me. "I knew a lot, which allowed them to put a lot on me. Hopefully, they'll see that I'm a winner, I didn't lose very many ballgames. I can't stand to lose. All my hard work is to win ball games." [url="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/TCU-QB-Andy-Dalton-emerging-as-firstround-target.html"]http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/TCU-QB-Andy-Dalton-emerging-as-firstround-target.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [url="http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora"][b][color="#0a0501"]JasonLaCanfora[/color][/b][/url][url=""] [/url]Continue to hear the most buzz about Andy Dalton. Lot of teams lookin at him in top 15. I put him to Titans at 8 in my mock. We shall see [url="http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/63630825383669760"]half a minute ago[/url]via [url="http://blackberry.com/twitter"]Twitter for BlackBerry®[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1304005914' post='986771'] [url="http://twitter.com/michaelombardi"][b][color="#0a0501"]michaelombardi[/color][/b][/url][url=""] [/url]Love being here in Radio City, getting ready for the draft, and hear the Bengals are looking to trade down from number 4 pick Andy Dalton. [url="http://twitter.com/michaelombardi/status/63620594863837185"]38 minutes ago[/url]via [url="http://twitter.com/#!/download/ipad"]Twitter for iPad[/url] [/quote] They only way I would be ok with that is if they trade down from 4 to, say, 8 or 10, pick up an extra 2 or 3 and use that to trade into the 28-33 range to take him. I don't think they can trade down far enough from 4 to get value for him. I swear if this team takes Dalton before 25 I'll puke and start looking for a new team to root for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBR Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='scharm' timestamp='1304001161' post='986718'] I'd take their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th and 2nd and 3rd from next year. [/quote] I would do it. Either this or 1st & 2nd + 1st & 2nd. The one reason against going with that though is the remote possibility that the players lawyers succeed and push the NFL over the cliff with regards to free agency and the draft. Using the draft as leverage the way they are might result in no draft next year which would void that. So I'd prefer Scharm's option but would settle for my 2nd choice of 2x1st + 2x2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote name='turningpoint' timestamp='1304005813' post='986769'] ANd wow it's the texans that don't have a 2nd rounder...... [/quote] well, at least you stopped screaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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