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  1. 1. Are you happy with drafting Andy Dalton ?

    • Hell yeah !
      62
    • I guess
      26
    • Not really
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    • No
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  2. 2. Of the two - Who would you rather see start Week 1 ?

    • Andy Dalton
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    • Carson Palmer
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  3. 3. Would you even want Carson back at this point if he came back?

    • Fuck no, screw that pussy whipped statue! The overthrow specialist is washed up.
      22
    • I guess, even though he pissed me off the last few months.
      21
    • Yes. I'd glady have him back. I can forgive.
      29
    • probably not, he's lost the locker room and city. Better to part ways now.
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  4. 4. If the Bengals could get a 1st rder for Carson would you trade him?

    • Yes
      82
    • No, can't set that precedent regardless.
      9
  5. 5. If the Bengals could ONLY get a 3rd rder for Carson would you trade him?

    • Yes
      22
    • No, I'd rather just let him retire for that.
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  6. 6. Will Dalton exceed Carson's 4 wins if he starts this year ?

    • Yes
      69
    • Same
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    • No
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  7. 7. Hotter Wife?

    • Dalton's Blonde
      80
    • Carson's Puta
      11
  8. 8. Will Dalton win a playoff game in his first 7 years unlike Carson?

    • Yes
      82
    • No
      9
  9. 9. Which would you rather have ?

    • 6'2 & mobile, accurate touch passer
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    • 6'5 statue, rocket arm but erratic
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  10. 10. Will Dalton go to a Pro Bowl at some point?

    • Yes
      24
    • Probably
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    • Probably not
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    • No
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  11. 11. Should PBS sell orange wigs now?

    • I'd buy one
      15
    • That would be awesome
      51
    • Gingers don't have souls, not funny
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  12. 12. If Andy starts, do you even want Chad back next season?

    • No, keep Ocho away from Andy !
      70
    • Yes, he can help AJ & Andy for 1 year
      21
  13. 13. Can Dalton & the Bengals make the playoffs this season?

    • Yes, easy schedule, run game, defense
      20
    • Maybe, there's a chance
      41
    • No way, growing pains, young players, tough division
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  14. 14. Do you think the whole Palmer fiasco will end up being a blessing in the long run?

    • It already is, fuck him, he underachieved
      21
    • Most likely, it pulled the scab off faster
      43
    • No, he set the team back years
      6
    • Not sure, he could have screwed us
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[center][font="Book Antiqua"][size="4"]"As I looked at the other guys that were coming out, who would I sleep better at night having? It was Andy (Dalton) ... If I could do a backflip I would do it. We're starting fresh with a new guy and a new skill group. We've got a bunch of young ones that we can get going all in the right direction and that's encouraging. They are all hungry and young together like we did in the first group. They're all in a three-year window. We can reestablish the bar and I don't see any impediments to that."

[b]— Ken Zampese[/b][/size][/font][/center]
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[b]Remember, right before draft day there was talk of Dalton going #8 to the Titans ... so the Bengals could have gotten 2 top 10 picks ... [/b]


[size="5"][u]A Case for the Titans Drafting Andy Dalton with the 8th Pick of the 2011 NFL Draft
April 27, 2011[/u][/size]

http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/4/27/2135049/titans-drafting-andy-dalton-8th-pick-2011-nfl-draft

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[quote]"Of all the top QB's heading into the draft, Dalton had the best accuracy of the pack in 2010. Additionally, the general rule when evaluating draft prospects is that they have at least a 60% career completion percentage. Dalton comes in at 61.7%, meeting the requisite baseline for success."

"In the case of accuracy, especially short and intermediate throws, Dalton easily passes both the statistical and the eyeball test."

"Dalton is plenty tall to be successful in the NFL."

"As noted in Dalton's Pro Day results: On one throw, he rolled out right and completed a 60-yard pass on the run, which is important when evaluating at his arm strength."

"In the couple of times I've gotten to see him on the whiteboard he has blown me away. He's not only regurgitating plays like some of the other prospects, but he seems to have a genuine understanding of "why" and not just "what"."

"Moreover, he had complete command of the offense at TCU, with the ability to make audibles to the line, receivers, and plays."

"In those meetings he's displayed superior football knowledge to that of his peers."

"When I watch Dalton, he has a drive and a passion that I don't see out of many prospects. There's anguish on his face when Gruden shows him his interception against Wisconsin where the checkdown is wide open in the flat. When the play shows up on the screen, the viewer can see that Dalton immediately recognizes the play and we see how much it pains him. It's a stark contrast to other prospects (Newton, Gabbert) who also identify mistakes, but seem to laugh it off. Dalton, even in a winning Rose Bowl effort, still seems haunted by this play. That is what I want to see out of my signal caller. Someone that demands perfection, even in a winning effort; constantly critical of their own QB play."

"is Andy Dalton a good bet to become a franchise quarterback? Based on my research, I would pull the trigger at 8."

"There's no such thing as a sure pick. With Dalton, though, he appears to have all the necessary prerequisites. And, more importantly, he comes across as the hardest working QB in this draft. When you combine those things, Andy Dalton has all the tools in place to possibly become a franchise quarterback, and that makes him worth the risk in the top 10."[/quote]
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[quote name='sois' timestamp='1305094264' post='992029']
BJ, you are a false prophet. Nobody should believe you anymore.
[/quote]
[b]I'm not asking anyone to believe me ... I'm asking them to believe Marvin Lewis, Jay Gruden, Ken Zampese, Todd McShay, Mel Kiper, Trent Dilfer, the NFL scouts, those who get paid to study QB prospects, those who have played QB in the NFL, and those people for the Bengals who have spent months studying Dalton and watching every single play from his college career.

That combined with their own eyes of Palmers play and his 4-12 season last year are enough I'd say. :morning1: [/b]

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[quote name='BlackJesus' timestamp='1305089784' post='992025']
[center][font="Book Antiqua"][size="4"]"As I looked at the other guys that were coming out, who would I sleep better at night having? It was Andy (Dalton) ... If I could do a backflip I would do it. We're starting fresh with a new guy and a new skill group. We've got a bunch of young ones that we can get going all in the right direction and that's encouraging. They are all hungry and young together like we did in the first group. They're all in a three-year window. We can reestablish the bar and I don't see any impediments to that."

[b]— Ken Zampese[/b][/size][/font][/center]
[/quote]

I really don't think any of the coaches even want Palmer back. They want a clean slate with the new offense we'll be running. Hungry players who want to be here. Plus Dalton fits the system that Gruden wants to run, Palmer doesn't.

Why spend valuable time teaching Carson the playbook?
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[quote name='BlackJesus' timestamp='1305094607' post='992030']
[b]I'm not asking anyone to believe me ... I'm asking them to believe Marvin Lewis, Jay Gruden, Ken Zampese, Todd McShay, Mel Kiper, Trent Dilfer, the NFL scouts, those who get paid to study QB prospects, those who have played QB in the NFL, and those people for the Bengals who have spent months studying Dalton and watching every single play from his college career.

That combined with their own eyes of Palmers play and his 4-12 season last year are enough I'd say. :morning1: [/b]
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:41: :41: :41:

I will admit, I would take Carson back if he wanted to come, just because his experience would give us a very good chance of making the playoffs this year, IMHO. But, the gambler in me, says to give Dalton the Fucking Reins and see what you've got. He just reeks of Kenny Anderson, and with all of the skill players but Benson being young, and with Gruden being the ringmaster, I think in two or three years they could be one of the best offenses in the league.

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[quote name='kennethmw' timestamp='1305129121' post='992077']
:41: :41: :41:

I will admit, I would take Carson back if he wanted to come, just because his experience would give us a very good chance of making the playoffs this year, IMHO. But, the gambler in me, says to give Dalton the Fucking Reins and see what you've got. He just reeks of Kenny Anderson, and with all of the skill players but Benson being young, and with Gruden being the ringmaster, I think in two or three years they could be one of the best offenses in the league.
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As delusional as it may sound, I feel the same way.

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[quote name='sois' timestamp='1305094264' post='992029']
BJ, you are a false prophet. Nobody should believe you anymore.
[/quote]
BJ did say Von Miller was a top 3 pick way before anybody else even thought he'd be. I don't ever want to see Palmer in a Bengal uniform again
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[quote name='BengalBacker' timestamp='1305096313' post='992033']
I really don't think any of the coaches even want Palmer back.

... Dalton fits the system that Gruden wants to run, Palmer doesn't.
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[b]Exactly! The Bengals have decided to go off-roading, and thus don't need a beat up Porsche with 150,000 miles on it - when they have a brand new and cheaper jeep.

Gruden's offense is predicated on short accurate throws and having a mobile qb. [/b]




[quote name='kennethmw' timestamp='1305129121' post='992077']
the gambler in me, says to give Dalton the Fucking Reins and see what you've got. [/quote]
[b]especially when you already know that for the past 7 hands [size="1"](years)[/size] you've never had anything better than a pair of nines. [/b]




[quote name='SocalBengalEd' timestamp='1305136738' post='992127']
BJ did say Von Miller was a top 3 pick way before anybody else even thought he'd be. [/quote]
[b]I also said months before the draft that JJ Watt should be the first DE taken, Locker should go top 10 and before Gabbert, that Dareus would go before Fairley etc.

Now I do make some wrong predictions (especially when they involve my personal weakness of 340 lb + DT's) but I also occasionally get some things right. I'm not a "prophet" or a psychic, just a long-time football fan who pays far more attention to the game than I probably should. [/b]
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[quote name='BlackJesus' timestamp='1305138955' post='992130']
Now I do make some wrong predictions [b](especially when they involve my personal weakness of 340 lb + DT's)[/b] but I also occasionally get some things right. I'm not a "prophet" or a psychic, just a long-time football fan who pays far more attention to the game than I probably should.
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That's the best part of the BJ charm!
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[color="#FF8C00"][i]add Benson to my list ...[/i][/color]


[center][font="Book Antiqua"][size="4"]"It wouldn’t be healthy for the team to bring Carson back. To bring him back would be detrimental to the team. If he’s there and not happy he’s not gonna give us his best."

[b]— Cedric Benson[/b][/size][/font][/center]
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[center][b][size="4"]We had a gimp with a limp ...[/size]


[img]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161342_100001684296285_6307412_n.jpg[/img] [size="4"][color="#FF8C00"]--->[/color] time for a pimp[/size][/b][/center]
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[center][font="Book Antiqua"][size="4"]"Andy has great anticipation in his throws, great core strength. He gets the ball in and out of his hand. As he gets more comfortable with the things we do, he'll play faster and faster and faster."

[b]— Marvin Lewis[/b][/size][/font][/center]
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