BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='Jamie_B' date='Jun 10 2005, 01:35 PM']I think you people watch too many movies. [right][post="101648"][/post][/right][/quote] I think you haven't read the Patriot Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:02 PM']I think you haven't read the Patriot Act. [right][post="101660"][/post][/right][/quote] Probally not all of it no, but personnally I dont get why we just dont give the law enforcement people top seceret clearances, then we wouldnt have to tell you people what were doing. (Says the man with a secret clearance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='Jamie_B' date='Jun 10 2005, 02:20 PM']Probally not all of it no, but personnally I dont get why we just dont give the law enforcement people top seceret clearances, then we wouldnt have to tell you people what were doing. (Says the man with a secret clearance) [right][post="101670"][/post][/right][/quote] Because you don't NEED to know what's in the bottom drawer of my chest of drawers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:26 PM']Because you don't NEED to know what's in the bottom drawer of my chest of drawers.... [right][post="101673"][/post][/right][/quote] Oh we all know...trust me, nobody needs any kind of clearance to know that. [img]http://www.tiggypig.com/acatalog/handcuffs.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Wrong... Nice try though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:34 PM']Wrong... Nice try though [right][post="101676"][/post][/right][/quote] [img]http://www.aussiesaddle.com/shootist/Images/Small/whip%20red-black.jpg[/img] Well hey now... easy with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 nope But I'm interested in seeing just how twisted you think I am.... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:45 PM'] nope But I'm interested in seeing just how twisted you think I am.... lol [right][post="101680"][/post][/right][/quote] [img]http://www.jsofts.com/images/Gimp%20Mask/4.jpg[/img] ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 sis, i'm confussed a little about your earlier reply to me... what was i wrong about? i'll be honest w/ you, and say that i haven't read through the actual patiot act, but i am confident that the main purpose was to pretty much force the fbi and cia to share their info (the two agencies used to butt heads, for one reason or another)... i know that the bill does more than that, including allowing (under exteme circumstances) searching and seizing w/out a search warrent... that is one of the more contriversial parts of it, but also one of the most important... this (supposedily) hasn't even been used yet, b/c there hasn't been any extreme cases, but i'm personally glad its there, if we do need it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 rick, what I am opposed to is many of the personal freedoms (like the search and seizure part) that are being handed to the authorities here. We all know what happens when you start to give too much power to people. It goes to their heads, and they start finding ways to justify "extreme cases" that really aren't so extreme. I personally don't think all of those measures are necessary. In fact, we HAD many of the methods in place to stop 9/11 as it was. We just aren't all mindreaders to be able to determine which threat is gonna attack when all the time. We NEVER will be able to do that. I personally am not ready to give up that many of my freedoms in the name of security. Our government blows money and screws up so many programs as it is...what makes us think they will do any better with this. I feel that the abuse of this act will happen far more than any good that may come from it. Not to mention, we are still allowing people across the boarder and on planes with weapons while taking breast milk from mothers and finger nail clippers from old ladies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 And Jamie..... For shame... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//33.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:56 PM']And Jamie..... For shame... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//33.gif[/img] [right][post="101687"][/post][/right][/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Seriously man...you know I'd let ya have bigger nose holes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 04:09 PM']Seriously man...you know I'd let ya have bigger nose holes.... [right][post="101691"][/post][/right][/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] and BJ, get in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 02:54 PM']rick, what I am opposed to is many of the personal freedoms (like the search and seizure part) that are being handed to the authorities here. We all know what happens when you start to give too much power to people. It goes to their heads, and they start finding ways to justify "extreme cases" that really aren't so extreme. I personally don't think all of those measures are necessary. In fact, we HAD many of the methods in place to stop 9/11 as it was. We just aren't all mindreaders to be able to determine which threat is gonna attack when all the time. We NEVER will be able to do that. I personally am not ready to give up that many of my freedoms in the name of security. Our government blows money and screws up so many programs as it is...what makes us think they will do any better with this. I feel that the abuse of this act will happen far more than any good that may come from it. Not to mention, we are still allowing people across the boarder and on planes with weapons while taking breast milk from mothers and finger nail clippers from old ladies. [right][post="101686"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] one thing to keep in mind though, is the lack of complaints that the patriot act has recieved as of now... i absolutely agree about one part of this post though... if you give anyone/thing too much power, they WILL use it... that is scary in any form, and true in almost everything... its human nature.. but in my humble opinion, in the case of terror where they fight behind the scenes and on our own soil, we need to have some extreme measures... we need to let these guys do their job, but have oversight to make sure that they [i]didn't[/i] break the law... i know this sounds somewhat harsh, but as long as these groups are balanced out by the courts soon after the search takes place... in other words, i'd rather the fbi/cia try to stop these types of acts before tehy happen, rather than wait until we are possibly hit, and then worry about who did it and how we fucked up...(b/c often times we know who is a problem, but evidence is hard to come by w/ our lack of organization) i would rather us have a small human rights problem, than another terrorist attack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='Jamie_B' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:13 PM'] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] and BJ, get in line. [right][post="101693"][/post][/right][/quote] Um, I think I understand your comment to BJ, but...could you clarify...lol Because if you don't...it could look like.....you don't want me to finish this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='bengalrick' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:14 PM']one thing to keep in mind though, is the lack of complaints that the patriot act has recieved as of now... i absolutely agree about one part of this post though... if you give anyone/thing too much power, they WILL use it... that is scary in any form, and true in almost everything... its human nature.. but in my humble opinion, in the case of terror where they fight behind the scenes and on our own soil, we need to have some extreme measures... we need to let these guys do their job, but have oversight to make sure that they [i]didn't[/i] break the law... i know this sounds somewhat harsh, but as long as these groups are balanced out by the courts soon after the search takes place... in other words, i'd rather the fbi/cia try to stop these types of acts before tehy happen, rather than wait until we are possibly hit, and then worry about who did it and how we fucked up...(b/c often times we know who is a problem, but evidence is hard to come by w/ our lack of organization) i would rather us have a small human rights problem, than another terrorist attack... [right][post="101694"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] I see what you are saying, but I think the government is playing on our fears right now and slipping in things that they don't need to. Like the REAL ID they slipped in that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the bill they stuck it with. They know people are more willing to give up rights right now. Especially since they are going color crazy with those damn alerts. Talk about crying wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 04:18 PM']Um, I think I understand your comment to BJ, but...could you clarify...lol Because if you don't...it could look like.....you don't want me to finish this... [right][post="101695"][/post][/right][/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:21 PM']I see what you are saying, but I think the government is playing on our fears right now and slipping in things that they don't need to. Like the REAL ID they slipped in that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the bill they stuck it with. They know people are more willing to give up rights right now. Especially since they are going color crazy with those damn alerts. Talk about crying wolf. [right][post="101696"][/post][/right][/quote] i think the gov't using scare tactics is a old and effictive way for them to get things done (not that i agree w that) your right, not many would have agreed to this until after 9/11... i have no idea what the alerts mean either i think the real ID act is essential, b/c the 9/11 highjackers had something like 30-40 driver licenses... i haven't followed this legislation very closely... is there something else in there i don't know about? btw... i hate to keep posting serious stuff, when this thread was just getting good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='bengalrick' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:29 PM']i think the gov't using scare tactics is a old and effictive way for them to get things done (not that i agree w that) your right, not many would have agreed to this until after 9/11... i have no idea what the alerts mean either i think the real ID act is essential, b/c the 9/11 highjackers had something like 30-40 driver licenses... i haven't followed this legislation very closely... is there something else in there i don't know about? btw... i hate to keep posting serious stuff, when this thread was just getting good [right][post="101698"][/post][/right][/quote] The REAL id is not necessary in my opinion. I don't see why states just can't share license info. Many do already. But storing more personal stuff all in one place...again, I think it's too much for one organization to control. It leads to corruption. I don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='Jamie_B' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:24 PM'] [right][post="101697"][/post][/right][/quote] Oh, so you do want BJ to be in the line for you? Ok then... PS. I think I need to go to GEEK zone and request the smileys I want. CUZ I NEED A WHISTLIN smiley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 04:35 PM']Oh, so you do want BJ to be in the line for you? Ok then... PS. I think I need to go to GEEK zone and request the smileys I want. CUZ I NEED A WHISTLIN smiley [right][post="101701"][/post][/right][/quote] I was refering to the joke BJ made about getting on his knee. What were you talking about?!? ..... well hey now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalSIS Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='Jamie_B' date='Jun 10 2005, 03:42 PM']I was refering to the joke BJ made about getting on his knee. [right][post="101702"][/post][/right][/quote] Yeah, I knew what you meant I just tried to catch ya with some BJ lovin...wait, that didn't come out right...oops, did it again...ok, so what I meant was... nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='BengalSIS' date='Jun 10 2005, 04:43 PM']Yeah, I knew what you meant [b]I just tried to catch ya with some BJ lovin[/b]...wait, that didn't come out right...oops, did it again...ok, so what I meant was... nevermind [right][post="101703"][/post][/right][/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//31.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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