Reds invovled in major trade with Padres

[BigDawgBengal]

[quote]The Phillies have come to terms with another high-profile pitcher, agreeing to a one-year deal with [b][url="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willido03.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker"]Dontrelle Willis[/url][/b].[/quote]

[Jason]

We just added former Moeller HS pitcher and top Yankees pick Andrew Brackman. Apparently he has had arm issues he's trying to recover from.

[Bengals1181]

boo, I liked Dontrelle. Guy couldn't get run support to save his life.

[BigDawgBengal]

To go along with Jason's post

[quote]The Reds have agreed to sign former first round pick [b][url="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/brackan01.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker"]Andrew Brackman[/url][/b] to a Major League deal, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. The 26-year-old Cincinnati native will earn the MLB minimum plus incentives.

The Yankees selected Brackman 30th overall in 2007, but he recorded just seven outs for them in the Major Leagues. The 6'10" right-hander posted a 5.11 ERA with 5.0 BB/9 in three minor league seasons with the Yankees. The Yankees declined their 2012 option on Brackman making him a free agent.[/quote]

[BigDawgBengal]

[quote] Jocketty said he doesn't necessarily feel like he must make a move:

[i]“But we feel that if we did nothing, we’d still have a club capable of contending and competing in our division all year. We felt that way last year. We just had some things that didn’t go well for us."[/i][/quote]

[Bengals1181]

Yonder has apparently been traded



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Source: [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url] acquire Latos from [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Padres"][s]#[/s][b]Padres[/b][/url]. Yonder Alonso among those headed to Pads. [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23MLB"][s]#[/s][b]MLB[/b][/url][/font]

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24 yrs old, RHP, 6'6, 225 lb, 2011: 9-14 3.47 ERA/1.18 WHIP/185 K/194 IN/168 H[/font]

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Latos arbitration eligible in 2013....free agency 2016[/font]

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[Bengals1181]

I don't know a lot about Latos, but I'm not sure the Reds got the best of this trade. Wasn't Grandal just our #1 pick last year???



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Reds acquire SD’s Mat Latos for Yonder Alonso, Brad Boxberger, Yasmani Grandal and Edinson Volquez.

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[CTA513]

Reds acquire SD’s Mat Latos for Yonder Alonso, Brad Boxberger, Yasmani Grandal and Edinson Volquez.


Pretty big price, but Latos has #1 upside and doesn't walk every other batter.
Hopefully moving from a big park to a park that can play small doesn't hurt him to much.

[Bengals1181]

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[url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url] rotation is now Latos, Cueto, Arroyo, Bailey, Leake, with Chapman and Wood in reserve. Is that better than the [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23STLCards"][s]#[/s][b]STLCards[/b][/url]? (I say no.)[/font]

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[JBandJoeyV]

Wow thats a huge trade. Guy is only 24 and definitely has number 1 potential. Had an era below 3 in 2010 and a little over 3 in 2011. I dont mind the trade, Alonso and Grandal were both blocked and Volquez was wasting all his talent.

This gives you a rotation this year of:
1. Cueto
2. Latos
3. Leake
4. Arroyo
5. Homer

And then you still have Wood and Chapman. I think that is a pretty good rotation. I wonder if they would consider making Chapman the closer? I dont know who he would replace in the rotation. I wish we could trade Bronson...

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Latos career ERA is 2.96 on the road. 3.20 at Petco. So he isn't a product of the park. [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23reds"][s]#[/s][b]reds[/b][/url][/font]

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If Latos is healthy, he gives the Reds the frontline guy they were missing. Still a ton of talent there. Expect a big bounceback from them.[/font]

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Jocketty on Mat Latos: “We consider him to be a potential number one starter, who, contractually, we have under control for 4 more years.”[/font]

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The [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23reds"][s]#[/s][b]reds[/b][/url] obviously see an opening in NL Central and are going for it with Latos [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23mlb"][s]#[/s][b]mlb[/b][/url][/font]

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baseball people checking in. so far all agree padres gm josh byrnes made great deal for latos. [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23alonso"][s]#[/s][b]alonso[/b][/url], [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23grandal"][s]#[/s][b]grandal[/b][/url], [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23etc"][s]#[/s][b]etc[/b][/url][/font]

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[JC]

Better hope we can re-up Joey or we could be in trouble. Do we have anything on the farm that resembles a first basemen?

[JBandJoeyV]

Everyone was bitching that Walt wasnt making a move, now people are bitching he gave up too much. I think we have to make a run at things this year, and to get a cheap top of the rotation guy that you have under control through 2016 is huge for this team. I dont think the other 4 guys would have contributed that much this year.

I do think the Pads got a pretty good deal as well for the position they are in, but we need to win now whereas the pads are looking a few years out probably.

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[url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url] save some money in the deal. Jocketty says he anticipates more trades.[/font]

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[JC]

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Everyone was bitching that Walt wasnt making a move, now people are bitching he gave up too much. I think we have to make a run at things this year, and to get a cheap top of the rotation guy that you have under control through 2016 is huge for this team. I dont think the other 4 guys would have contributed that much this year.

I do think the Pads got a pretty good deal as well for the position they are in, but we need to win now whereas the pads are looking a few years out probably.
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Good to see him going for the gold, I just don't want to see this team fall apart when Joey leaves because we emptied our farm for Latos.

I guess in hindsight, we couldn't hold onto Alonso for two more years and keep him on the bench. I just wish they would have kept Grandal out of it.

Either way, can't have enough pitching. Two of the top pitchers in the NL now reside on our team and we have a couple of guys with good potential.

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Jocketty also said [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url] have something else for pitching they're working on right now. Said still have pieces to make another trade[/font]

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[JBandJoeyV]

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Good to see him going for the gold, I just don't want to see this team fall apart when Joey leaves because we emptied our farm for Latos.

I guess in hindsight, we couldn't hold onto Alonso for two more years and keep him on the bench. I just wish they would have kept Grandal out of it.

Either way, can't have enough pitching. Two of the top pitchers in the NL now reside on our team and we have a couple of guys with good potential.
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I think Grandal was going to be in the same position as Alonso was. Im really high on Mes and think he is going to be a pretty good starting catcher. Grandal would have had to change positions. Boxberger looks like he could be decent, but hes never played in the ML so who knows.

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My quick take on the deal: [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url] gave up a ton. If Latos turns into a No. 1, it will be worth it.[/font]

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My quick take on the deal: [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url] gave up a ton. If Latos turns into a No. 1, it will be worth it.

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Yeah I dont think anyone will deny we gave up a lot...but we kinda had to. I think we are starting to look at a 2-3 year window to win, so hoping they continue to go all in now.


Per Fay, jocketty said there could be another trade soon. Maybe for a closer? Or LF?


By the way...Latos-24, Cueto-25, Leake-24, Bailey-25, Chapman-23, Wood-24

Might not be the best rotation in baseball, but when you consider their ages and depth its gotta have the potential to be.

[JBandJoeyV]

Also can someone change the thread title?

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Early react to Padres/Reds: SD got great haul in Alonso and 3 others. Latos had ongoing maturity issues. Signs they always will be there.[/font]

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Pretty sure everyone on Twitter badly wanted the [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url] to make any trade, well, except the one they made.[/font]

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[Lewdog]

In my opinion the Reds gave up the farm for one guy, and I don't think it was a smart move. Have they even signed Votto to an extension yet?

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