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17. Bengals: [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7451/luke-kuechly"]Luke Kuechly[/url], linebacker, Boston College.


21. Bengals: [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7478/courtney-upshaw"]Courtney Upshaw[/url], defensive end, Alabama.


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[quote name='Hooky' timestamp='1335270320' post='1120793']
Typical how Cosell has the Bengals getting a Guard at 17 and the stealers getting a Guard at #24 and has the stealers getting the better pick in his opinion with Zeitler over DeCastro.
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What did cosell say after the first round? Is he still saying we made the better pick since we got Z isntead of DDC?
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Link: [url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d828a8579/article/secondround-mock-draft-fleener-osweiler-still-available?module=HP11_content_stream"]http://www.nfl.com/d..._content_stream[/url]
[b] [size=6][b]Second-round mock draft: Fleener, Osweiler still available[/b][/size][/b][list]
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[*]By Bucky Brooks NFL.com
[*]Analyst
[*]Published: April 27, 2012 at 02:54 a.m.
[*]Updated: April 27, 2012 at 03:21 a.m.
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Arizona State's Brock Osweiler likely will be a Day 2 target for a team in need of more quarterback depth.

The second day of the [url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012"]2012 NFL Draft[/url] will provide teams with plenty of quality talent, but savvy evaluators must find a way to work up the charts to nab an overlooked blue-chip prospect. Based on Thursday night's events, here is I how envision the second round playing out Friday:

[size=4][b]Darlington: Trades rule Round 1[/b][/size]

[size=4][img]http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/jeff-darlington-65x90.jpg[/img]Trades were the story of the first round. [b]Jeff Darlington[/b] explains why more deals in future drafts should be expected. [url="http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d828a7bb4"][b]More ...[/b][/url][/size]

[size=4][b]33. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/st.louisrams/profile?team=STL"]St. Louis Rams[/url]:[/b] [i]Cordy Glenn, Georgia, G/OT:[/i] Jeff Fisher would love to rebuild the Rams' offensive with big, athletic blockers with position flexibility. Glenn certainly fits the bill.[/size]

[size=4][b]34. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND"]Indianapolis Colts[/url]: [/b][i]Coby Fleener, Stanford, TE:[/i] Colts are excited to pick up Andrew Luck's favorite target at the top of the round.[/size]

[size=4][b]35. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL"]Baltimore Ravens[/url]:[/b] [i]Jonathan Martin, Stanford, OT:[/i] Ozzie Newsome should tab Martin as the eventual successor to [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/bryantmckinnie/profile?id=MCK582010"]Bryant McKinnie[/url] at left tackle despite concerns regarding the Stanford tackle's temperament and effort.[/size]

[size=4][b]36. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/profile?team=DEN"]Denver Broncos[/url]:[/b] [i]Jerel Worthy, Michigan State, DT:[/i] John Fox wants to beef up the Broncos' frontline with more athletic big bodies in the middle.[/size]

[size=4][b]37. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLE"]Cleveland Browns[/url]:[/b] [i]Rueben Randle, LSU, WR:[/i] Mike Holmgren continues to remake the Browns' offense by adding a polished pass catcher with outstanding size, speed and ball skills.[/size]

[size=4][b]38. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/jacksonvillejaguars/profile?team=JAC"]Jacksonville Jaguars[/url]:[/b] [i]Andre Branch, Clemson, DE:[/i] The Jaguars' pass rush desperately needs an explosive edge rusher like Branch in the rotation.[/size]

[size=4][b]39. St. Louis Rams:[/b] [i]Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech, WR:[/i] [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/sambradford/profile?id=BRA101548"]Sam Bradford[/url] would welcome a big, athletic target like Hill to feature in the passing game.[/size]

[size=4][b]40. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/profile?team=CAR"]Carolina Panthers[/url]:[/b] [i]Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina, WR:[/i] The Panthers need to surround Cam Newton with a host of dynamic weapons in the passing game. Jeffery's size and athleticism make him a tough guard, particularly in the red zone.[/size]

[size=4][b]41. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/profile?team=BUF"]Buffalo Bills[/url]:[/b] [i]Mike Adams, Ohio State, OT:[/i] Buddy Nix is not content with the Bills' offensive tackle situation, so taking a flier on the talented Adams is a sensible selection at this point.[/size]

[size=4][b]42. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/miamidolphins/profile?team=MIA"]Miami Dolphins[/url]:[/b] [i]Bobby Massie, Ole Miss:[/i] With [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/marccolombo/profile?id=COL745693"]Marc Colombo[/url] officially retired, the Dolphins could use a physical right tackle to shore up offensive line.[/size]

[size=4][b]43. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA"]Seattle Seahawks[/url]:[/b] [i]Zach Brown, North Carolina, LB:[/i] Pete Carroll wants to improve the speed and athleticism of Seahawks' linebacker corps. Brown's extraordinary explosiveness makes him a perfect fit.[/size]

[size=4][b]44. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/profile?team=KC"]Kansas City Chiefs[/url]:[/b] [i]Mychal Kendricks, Cal, ILB:[/i] The Chiefs have knocked their recent drafts out of the park by consistently selecting tough, productive players like Kendricks in early rounds.[/size]

[size=4][b]45. St. Louis Rams: [/b][i]Lamar Miller, Miami, RB:[/i] Steven Jackson is starting to slow down, so the time is right to add an explosive complementary runner to shoulder some of the offensive load.[/size]

[size=4][b]46. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI"]Philadelphia Eagles[/url]:[/b] [i]Lavonte David, Nebraska, OLB:[/i] Andy Reid is intent on rebuilding his defense with athletic playmakers with instincts and awareness.[/size]

[size=4][b]47. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkjets/profile?team=NYJ"]New York Jets[/url]:[/b] [i]Courtney Upshaw, Alabama, OLB:[/i] The Jets' defense has taken a step back without an established pass rusher to press the pocket off the edge. Upshaw isn't explosive but is a gritty competitor with a knack for getting to the quarterback.[/size]

[size=4][b]48. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE"]New England Patriots[/url]:[/b] [i]Trumaine Johnson, Montana, CB:[/i] The Patriots' secondary needs a facelift after surrendering numerous big plays in 2011. Johnson is a big, physical corner with excellent movement skills who could be a potential starter.[/size]

[size=4][b]49. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/sandiegochargers/profile?team=SD"]San Diego Chargers[/url]:[/b] [i]Peter Konz, Wisconsin, G/C: [/i]The recent retirement of [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/krisdielman/profile?id=DIE355962"]Kris Dielman[/url] and declining performance of [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/nickhardwick/profile?id=HAR070819"]Nick Hardwick[/url] makes it imperative for the Chargers to add a fundamentally sound player on the interior.[/size]

[size=4][b]50. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/chicagobears/profile?team=CHI"]Chicago Bears[/url]:[/b] [i]Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama, CB:[/i] If GM Phil Emery can find a comfort level with Jenkins' off-field issues, the selection of Jenkins would significantly upgrade the talent in the secondary.[/size]

[size=4][b]51. Philadelphia Eagles:[/b] [i]Bernard Pierce, Temple, RB: [/i][url="http://www.nfl.com/players/leseanmccoy/profile?id=MCC620232"]LeSean McCoy[/url] is an outstanding playmaker, but the Eagles need to add a big, physical runner to the rotation to handle some of the dirty work between the tackles.[/size]

[size=4][b]52. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/tennesseetitans/profile?team=TEN"]Tennessee Titans[/url]:[/b] [i]Devon Still, Penn State, DT:[/i] The Titans lost Jason Jones in free agency, so the team needs to find an imposing interior defender with size and strength.[/size]

[size=4][b]53. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/cincinnatibengals/profile?team=CIN"]Cincinnati Bengals[/url]:[/b] [i]Vinny Curry, Marshall, DE:[/i] Marvin Lewis would love to add a hard-working edge player with rush skills. Curry is an underrated disruptive force as a pass rusher, and his presence would certainly bolster the Bengals' rush efforts.[/size]

[size=4][b]54. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/detroitlions/profile?team=DET"]Detroit Lions[/url]: [/b][i]Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State, G:[/i] Martin Mayhew might continue his efforts to upgrade the pass protection around [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/matthewstafford/profile?id=STA134157"]Matthew Stafford[/url] with the addition of Osemele.[/size]

[size=4][b]55. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/atlantafalcons/profile?team=ATL"]Atlanta Falcons[/url]:[/b] [i]Dwayne Allen, Clemson, TE:[/i] It is time for the Falcons to find an eventual replacement for Tony Gonzalez.[/size]

[size=4][b]56. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT"]Pittsburgh Steelers[/url]:[/b] [i]Brandon Thompson, Clemson, NT:[/i] [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/caseyhampton/profile?id=HAM671173"]Casey Hampton[/url] is nearing the end of his career, so it is time for the Steelers to find a possible successor at nose tackle. Thompson isn't ideally suited to play the position at this time, but he has the frame to grow into the role within a year.[/size]

[size=4][b]57. Denver Broncos: [/b][i]Brock Osweiler, Arizona State, QB:[/i] Osweiler is not a finished product at this point, but he could develop into a franchise-caliber quarterback after serving an apprenticeship behind [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/peytonmanning/profile?id=MAN515097"]Peyton Manning[/url] for a few years.[/size]

[size=4][b]58. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU"]Houston Texans[/url]: [/b][i]Tommy Streeter, Miami, WR:[/i] The Texans' receiving corps needs a legitimate vertical threat to alleviate some of the pressure on Andre Johnson. Streeter possesses the size and athleticism to create mismatches against one-on-one coverage.[/size]

[size=4][b]59. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB"]Green Bay Packers[/url]: [/b][i]Kendall Reyes, Connecticut, DT:[/i] Reyes is the ideal five-technique to line up beside Clay Matthews in the Packers' 3-4. He possesses the length to win against power players, but also flashes enough first-step quickness to press the pocket off the edge.[/size]

[size=4][b]60. Baltimore Ravens:[/b] [i]Janzen Jackson, McNeese State, S:[/i] [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/edreed/profile?id=REE192451"]Ed Reed[/url]'s illustrious career is coming to a close, so Ozzie Newsome will look to long and hard at Jackson as a possible replacement.[/size]

[size=4][b]61. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/profile?team=SF"]San Francisco 49ers[/url]: [/b][i]Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State, G:[/i] Silatolu could become an immediate starter for the 49ers if Trent Baalke makes the move at this point. Silatolu is still raw and unrefined in several aspects of his game but would be a nice value pick for the 49ers in the second round.[/size]

[size=4][b]62. New England Patriots: [/b][i]Josh Robinson, Central Florida, CB:[/i] The Patriots have already addressed this need with a previous pick, but Robinson's combination of speed and quickness makes him an intriguing option at this point.[/size]

[size=4][b]63. [url="http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG"]New York Giants[/url]:[/b] [i]Jamell Fleming, Oklahoma, CB:[/i] The Giants are loaded at cornerback, but Fleming brings size, length and exceptional instincts to the table.[/size]
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[size=6][b]Second-round NFL mock draft[/b][/size]

[size=6][b]It might be impossible to predict, but Mel takes a shot at Round 2[/b][/size]


Originally Published: April 26, 2012
By Mel Kiper Jr. | ESPN Insider


Let's have some fun. While a mock attempt at Round 2 is like a lottery ticket, here's one shot at how it could look based on needs, players certain teams like and some gut calls in a number of cases. Again, in the same manner as any mock, the important thing is to get a sense of where players are valued.



At this stage, teams will have a handful of guys they're probably trying to pick from at each spot, and we know some trades will come into play. But here's a shot. Again, this is for fun, but it should give you a good sense of value for the players.










St. Louis Rams




Cordy Glenn, G, Georgia
They have a need at a couple of spots on the offensive line, and Glenn is versatile.






Indianapolis Colts




Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
Colts need serious help on the D-line and at LB, but Fleener will tempt them.



Baltimore Ravens (from Minnesota)




Courtney Upshaw, LB, Alabama
Baltimore will love the value and needs an OLB. Upshaw is No. 25 on my Big Board.






Denver Broncos (from Tampa Bay)




Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern St.
I don't have it as a huge need, but the Broncos simply must become elite on the O-line.






Cleveland Browns




Stephen Hill *, WR, Georgia Tech
They got a RB, then a QB. Time to find another piece of the puzzle on offense.






Jacksonville Jaguars




Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
They really need a defensive end, and Curry is a productive one.



St. Louis Rams (from Washington)




Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
Somebody has to take the plunge on Jenkins' talent, which is top-10 worthy.



Carolina Panthers




Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
I actually had Reyes as a Round 1 guy in some mocks. Fills a big need here.



Buffalo Bills




Jonathan Martin *, T, Stanford
Stock has dipped, but the tools are there. Buffalo can use him.



Miami Dolphins




Bobby Massie *, T, Ole Miss
Another guy who could have come off the board in Round 1. Fits on right side.



Seattle Seahawks




Rueben Randle *, WR, LSU
I'd like the Seahawks to add one more weapon to that offense. Randle will develop.



Kansas City Chiefs




Alshon Jeffery *, WR, South Carolina
A great red-zone target, Jeffery gives the Jets an added element.



St. Louis Rams (from Dallas)




Lavonte David, LB, Nebraska
A tackling machine, he's a perfect weakside LB. Covers the field.



Philadelphia Eagles




Mychal Kendricks, LB, California
A very good interior linebacker, he can join DeMeco Ryans to clean things up.



New York Jets




Jeff Allen, T/G, Illinois
I think he'll move inside, but could see time as a right tackle.



New England Patriots (from Oakland)




Josh Robinson *, CB, Central Florida
A total burner, once he nails down technique, has star potential.



San Diego Chargers




Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
A 3-4 nose tackle is a hard thing to find. Worth a shot here.



Chicago Bears




Zach Brown, LB, North Carolina
Chicago's linebackers are a great group but an aging one. Here's some fresh help.



Philadelphia Eagles (from Arizona)




Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
I know Philly likes him and might take the leap here. Good guy to develop.



Tennessee Titans




Peter Konz *, C, Wisconsin
The best center in the draft. Tennessee has a need there.



Cincinnati Bengals




[b]Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma[/b]
[b]Looks like he's bouncing back well from an ACL injury. Round 1 talent.[/b]



Detroit Lions




Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
The Lions have to get a corner, and Johnson is the best available.



Atlanta Falcons




Andre Branch, DT, Clemson
Atlanta needs to add help at defensive end, and Branch is a solid value here.



Pittsburgh Steelers




Devon Still, DT, Penn State
Discussed as a possibility for Round 1, I've always had Still in the second.



Denver Broncos




Brock Osweiler *, QB, Arizona State
Denver needs insurance, and Osweiler could be good if he has time to learn. He will here.



Houston Texans




Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian St.
One of the guys I've had higher on my board, he's the big target they need.



Green Bay Packers




Lamar Miller *, RB, Miami (FL)
Green Bay needs a running back, and Miller can be explosive.



Baltimore Ravens




Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
I've had Wolfe as a possible late-first pick. He's a versatile D-lineman.



San Francisco 49ers




Kelechi Osemele, G, Iowa State
They got a WR, but the Niners still really need a guard.



New England Patriots




Jerel Worthy *, DT, Michigan St.
Bill Belichick can bring it out of this kid. Worthy's a monster on his better days.



New York Giants




Mike Adams, T, Ohio State
The Giants need a tackle, and Adams is a decent value here.
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[quote name='Jason' timestamp='1335537493' post='1123635']
Ugh.
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Bu-bu-but wait it gets worse.














[size=6][b]Big names available in Round 2[/b][/size]


Originally Published: April 27, 2012
By Steve Muench and Kevin Weidl | Scouts Inc.


Trades dominated Round 1, and the trickle-down effect of all that action will be felt early in the second round.



Three of the first 13 picks in Round 2 -- Baltimore at No. 35 overall, Denver at 36, St. Louis at 45 -- were acquired in trades Thursday, and the Rams also have the first (No. 33 overall) and seventh (39) picks in the second.



There are plenty of impact players remaining on the board, with a host of storylines to follow. We project many teams to get help along the line of scrimmage, a run on cornerbacks in the middle of the round and two more big-name quarterbacks to come off the board.



Here's how things could play out.











St. Louis Rams


Record: 2-14



Rueben Randle, WR, LSU









Indianapolis Colts


Record: 2-14



Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford









Baltimore Ravens (from MIN)


Record: 12-4



Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State









Denver Broncos (from TAM)


Record: 8-8



Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State









Cleveland Browns


Record: 4-12



Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech












Jacksonville Jaguars

Record: 2-14



Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama






St. Louis Rams (from WAS)

Record: 2-14



Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska






Carolina Panthers

Record: 6-10



Devon Still, DT, Penn State






Buffalo Bills

Record: 6-10



Cordy Glenn, OT, Georgia






Miami Dolphins

Record: 6-10



Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina






Seattle Seahawks

Record: 7-9



Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina






Kansas City Chiefs

Record: 7-9



Jeff Allen, G, Illinois






St. Louis Rams

Record: 8-8



Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana






Philadelphia Eagles

Record: 8-8



Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama






New York Jets

Record: 8-8



Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State






New England Patriots

Record: 13-3



Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida






San Diego Chargers

Record: 8-8



Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin






Chicago Bears

Record: 8-8



Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt






Philadelphia Eagles (from ARI)

Record: 8-8



Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State






Tennessee Titans

Record: 9-7



Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall






[b]Cincinnati Bengals[/b]

[b]Record: 9-7[/b]



[b]Bobby Massie, OT, Mississippi[/b]






Detroit Lions

Record: 10-6



Dwight Bentley, CB, La.-Lafayette






Atlanta Falcons

Record: 10-6



Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson






Pittsburgh Steelers

Record: 12-4



Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California






Denver Broncos

Record: 8-8



Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State






Houston Texans

Record: 10-6



Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State






Green Bay Packers

Record: 15-1



Lamar Miller, RB, Miami






Baltimore Ravens

Record: 12-4



Andre Branch, DE, Clemson






San Francisco 49ers

Record: 13-3



Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut






New England Patriots

Record: 13-3



Brandon Taylor, S, LSU






New York Giants

Record: 9-7



Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
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I could honestly say I wouldn't mind not taking a WR in the second (though I'd like to!). There is just so much good depth with guys like Sanu, McNutt, Toon, Jones from Cal, etc, that I think we can still choose BPA at our position of need in two. But then I definitely want to take AT LEAST 2 WR later. Andre Caldwell wasn't amazing here, but he did have a damn productive first year here as a #2 pick. Unfortunately, he never developed further...
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[quote name='alleycat' timestamp='1335539275' post='1123671']
I could honestly say I wouldn't mind not taking a WR in the second (though I'd like to!). There is just so much good depth with guys like Sanu, McNutt, Toon, Jones from Cal, etc, that I think we can still choose BPA at our position of need in two. But then I definitely want to take AT LEAST 2 WR later. Andre Caldwell wasn't amazing here, but he did have a damn productive first year here as a #2 pick. Unfortunately, he never developed further...
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yea but a lot of those guys can't just come in and start.
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[b]53. Bengals: [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery"]Alshon Jeffery[/url], receiver, South Carolina.[/b]
Jeffery and [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6438/aj-green"]A.J. Green[/url] could form a dynamic wideout duo.


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53 RB LaMichael James Oregon Jr. 5-9 195

The Bengals want to go to a three-headed backfield this season, and even with four names, BenJarvus Green-Ellis can't handle the whole job. James would be a strong complementary runner, giving defenses a change of pace type rusher to prepare for.

Read more: [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/04/27/2012.nfl.draft.second.round.mock/index.html#ixzz1tGGnGxnu"]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/04/27/2012.nfl.draft.second.round.mock/index.html#ixzz1tGGnGxnu[/url]
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[quote name='akiliMVP' timestamp='1335537698' post='1123641']
Broyles is more of a slot guy. I can see us surprising everyone by taking T.Y. Hilton in round 2.
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I've been thining T.Y Hilton, but it's kind of a guess based on Marvin's comments last night. He mentioned the 49ers pick AJ Jenkins and said something about how the 49ers found one of the guys with the speed he's looking for. I think the WR we take is going to be a speedster.
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[b][url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/CIN/cincinnati-bengals"]Cincinnati Bengals[/url] (First round: CB [url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664145/dre-kirkpatrick"]Dre Kirkpatrick[/url], OG [url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1695544/kevin-zeitler"]Kevin Zeitler[/url]):[/b] [url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1689166/alameda-taamu"]Alameda Ta'amu[/url], DT, Washington. Alameda will plug up the inside and has the feet to be disruptive in pass situations.



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/18859152
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Muench and Weidl have no RBs coming off the board and has us getting an OT? We don't need an OT in Round 2. If Lamar Miller is there like in this mock, don't you get him? Especially since they have most of the high profile WRs gone.
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The OT pick is by someone who does know/care aboout the Bengals needs and just plugged a name in a slot. I'd rather have Quick than Broyles - slot guy. I'd be fine with James. Randle or Jeffrey would be a dream (but probably of the pipe variety). I'd trade up for either.
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