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Americas Third World War -- How 6 million People


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[i]opening preview clip[/i]
[url="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1/stockwell_cia.wmv"]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/v...ockwell_cia.wmv[/url]

A lecture given in October, 1987 by John Stockwell, former CIA Station Chief in Angola in 1976, working for then Director of the CIA, George Bush. He spent 13 years in the agency. He gives a short history of CIA covert operations. He is a very compelling speaker and the highest level CIA officer to testify to the Congress about his actions. He estimates that over 6 million people have died in CIA covert actions, and this was in the late 1980's.

[u][b]Part I[/b][/u] - [url="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm"]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm[/url]

[u][b]Part II[/b][/u] - [url="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4069.htm"]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4069.htm[/url]



[color="blue"][i][b]Not that many here will care, because truth is usually the first thing to go when you break down the psychology of blind patriotism but if you want to educate yourself, you should check out the clip and the info on the sites. [/b][/i][/color]
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[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jun 24 2005, 09:43 PM'][i]opening preview clip[/i]
[url="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1/stockwell_cia.wmv"]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/v...ockwell_cia.wmv[/url]

A lecture given in October, 1987 by John Stockwell, former CIA Station Chief in Angola in 1976, working for then Director of the CIA, George Bush.  He spent 13 years in the agency.  He gives a short history of CIA covert operations.  He is a very compelling speaker and the highest level CIA officer to testify to the Congress about his actions.  He estimates that over 6 million people have died in CIA covert actions, and this was in the late 1980's.

[u][b]Part I[/b][/u] -  [url="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm"]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm[/url]

[u][b]Part II[/b][/u] -  [url="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4069.htm"]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4069.htm[/url]
[color="blue"][i][b]Not that many here will care, because truth is usually the first thing to go when you break down the psychology of blind patriotism but if you want to educate yourself, you should check out the clip and the info on the sites.  [/b][/i][/color]
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I care. Blind patriotism=bad. Well-tempered, intelligent patriotism=good. "Education" from website info, which is ESPECIALLY subject to manipulation of information without precedent of journalistic integrity=bad.
What we get/have, and what life essentialy means is...the truth is and always will be somewhere in the middle...
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[quote]What we get/have, and what life essentialy means is...the truth is and always will be somewhere in the middle...[/quote]

[i][b]So that would mean 3 million died :huh:


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[quote]care. Blind patriotism=bad. Well-tempered, intelligent patriotism=good. "Education" from website info, which is ESPECIALLY subject to manipulation of information without precedent of journalistic integrity=bad.[/quote]

[i][b]although in principle I agree somewhat, you have to realize also that
1. Those areas that you think are held to journalistic integrity (CBS) comes to mind usually are lacking as well.
2. Also when you are a whistle blower or uncovering information that will be unpopular and get you branded a traitor, it is hard to find established news sources (who are at the mercy of ratings) to put their neck on the line for an unpopular story. How more unpopular could you get than basically making the equivalent to the fact that the American government has committed a Quasi 3rd world Holocaust and the public has been dupped into not paying attention for decades. (although those damn sitcoms, sporting events, and movies can be attention grabbers)[/b][/i]

[i]how many news agencies in Germany in 1940 would have ran with a breaking headline about Auschwitz? Although we have a a free er press I think the social pressures can be just as great as govt regulation. I can just see Fox News now.... MSNBC said we did a holcaust (fair and balanced here to save you) [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/30.gif[/img] [/i]
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[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jun 25 2005, 12:20 AM'][i][b]So that would mean 3 million died  :huh:
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No, that the meaning of everything almost always equates to a compromise of some sort.
I can't sit here and justify the killing, starvation or extermination of the literally billions of human beings that has occured during our short colonization of our planet. But I can say that we as a people have made progress, and I believe that the USA is a big part of that. There is no way to erase the memories of the "ethnic cleansing" that is generally the cause of all wars. I refuse to accept responsibilty for previous generation's misgivings towards ANY human being. I can only learn from it.

You are being too hard on your nation, especially seeing as how you drive a gas-guzzling American sports car, if that makes any sense.

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[quote]You are being too hard on your nation[/quote]

[color="blue"][i][b]I would really like to know where the "too hard" starts and the "just right" begins. I mean how many places, people, ghost wars, puppet dictators etc have to cause misery and hell on earth before a citizen can take notice of their government.

Believe me life was much easier before I was enlightened to reality, fuck I could watch Bengals games, drink more beer, wave my fucking flag, think "fucking towelheads", and go to sleep at night with the bliss of ignorance. But once that cat is out of the bag you can't hide from it. All you can do is hope to show others and hopefully enough people also show others to the point where a difference can be made. [/b][/i][/color]
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[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jun 25 2005, 12:37 AM'][color="blue"][i][b][B]I would really like to know where the "too hard" starts and the "just right" begins[/b].  I mean how many places, people, ghost wars, puppet dictators etc have to cause misery and hell on earth before a citizen can take notice of their government.

Believe me life was much easier before I was enlightened to reality, fuck I could watch Bengals games, drink more beer, wave my fucking flag, think "fucking towelheads", and go to sleep at night with the bliss of ignorance.  But once that cat is out of the bag you can't hide from it.  All you can do is hope to show others and hopefully enough people also show others to the point where a difference can be made.  [/b][/i][/color]
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Me too. If we had that, then all questions will have ben answered.
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