JBandJoeyV Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Greg Cosell thinks DDC is overrated and Z is better. Not that he is the end all be all, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcat Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='Oldcat' timestamp='1335500500' post='1123384'] didn't have him in for a visit, did they? [/quote] Honestly I do not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBengal Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I love this pick. I really didn't want DeCastro and am really glad the Steeleres got him. Watch Zeitler's film. Then watch Zeitler's. Z is way better. So much more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='Phatcat' timestamp='1335500348' post='1123377'] Yes. And they passed him over 2x. So obviously they didn't think as highly of him as some of you do. You do understand that as well, right? [/quote] well let's sit back and look at this from a different perspective, just to be fair, with no homerism involved, ok? the pitsburgh steelers are recognized as a pretty astute organization in regards to making good draft choices year after year. you could even say they're an organization that prides itself on building through the draft. would you agree with me there? would you also agree that team has made some pretty good selections of late with offensive line picks? that very same team had the same decision we had, yet chose the universally higher rated player in DDC. i doubt they had any second thoughts in doing so, either. when you look at the two team's histories, by comparison, i'd like to be able to say we draft as well as our competitors have, but i don't think i could reasonably make that claim. this in spite of the fact that we have traditionally, almost every year, drafted at a significantly higher position than they have. it's something to think about, if your truly willing to look at the two choices objectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Zeitler wasn't "the guy I wanted" but he's not a bad pick at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='bengaled' timestamp='1335501119' post='1123400'] well let's sit back and look at this from a different perspective, just to be fair, with no homerism involved, ok? the pitsburgh steelers are recognized as a pretty astute organization in regards to making good draft choices year after year. you could even say they're an organization that prides itself on building through the draft. would you agree with me there? would you also agree that team has made some pretty good selections of late with offensive line picks? that very same team had the same decision we had, yet chose the universally higher rated player in DDC. i doubt they had any second thoughts in doing so, either. when you look at the team's histories. by comparison, i'd like to be able to say we draft as well as our competitors have, but i don't think i could reasonably make that claim. this in spite of the fact that we have traditionally, almost every year, drafted at a significantly higher position than they have. it's something to think about, if your truely willing to look at the two choices objectively. [/quote] Actually, their OL has been a weakness for some time. Ben gets hit a lot, and they open creases instead of power running. Decastro fits into both strategies perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 excellent post, ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcat Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 "would you also agree that team has made some pretty good selections of late with offensive line picks?" When it comes to offensive line picks by the Steelers since they lost their Oline coach when Tomlin took over, I would say they have sucked at picking and developing Oline men..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='Oldcat' timestamp='1335501311' post='1123404'] Actually, their OL has been a weakness for some time. Ben gets hit a lot, and they open creases instead of power running. Decastro fits into both strategies perfectly. [/quote] ben gets hit a lot because he'll wait until the very last minute for an opening to create itself, challenging defenses to try to get him sacked. don't be so quick to look at figures and assess that on his linemen. that's just the way that offense operates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcat Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='B.A.B.' timestamp='1335501346' post='1123405'] excellent post, ed. [/quote] Seriously!? The Steelers Oline is fucking terrible..... Great D, QB, and LB's. But don't throw in Oline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='bengaled' timestamp='1335501534' post='1123409'] ben gets hit a lot because he'll wait until the very last minute for an opening to create itself, challenging defenses to try to get him sacked. don't be so quick to look at figures and assess that on his linemen. that's just the way that offense operates. [/quote] Look, the coaches hate Ben just as much as we do. They aren't idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcat Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='bengaled' timestamp='1335501534' post='1123409'] ben gets hit a lot because he'll wait until the very last minute for an opening to create itself, challenging defenses to try to get him sacked. don't be so quick to look at figures and assess that on his linemen. that's just the way that offense operates. [/quote] OK. We will agree to disagree. You: the Bengals fucked up. Me: Bengals did a great job, got the guy they wanted, and another pick they can use to move up in the second round if they so choose to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='Phatcat' timestamp='1335501396' post='1123406'] "would you also agree that team has made some pretty good selections of late with offensive line picks?" When it comes to offensive line picks by the Steelers since they lost their Oline coach when Tomlin took over, I would say they have sucked at picking and developing Oline men..... [/quote] Quiet, please! Steeler nut-swinging in progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBengal Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='bengaled' timestamp='1335501119' post='1123400'] well let's sit back and look at this from a different perspective, just to be fair, with no homerism involved, ok? the pitsburgh steelers are recognized as a pretty astute organization in regards to making good draft choices year after year. you could even say they're an organization that prides itself on building through the draft. would you agree with me there? would you also agree that team has made some pretty good selections of late with offensive line picks? that very same team had the same decision we had, yet chose the universally higher rated player in DDC. i doubt they had any second thoughts in doing so, either. when you look at the two team's histories, by comparison, i'd like to be able to say we draft as well as our competitors have, but i don't think i could reasonably make that claim. this in spite of the fact that we have traditionally, almost every year, drafted at a significantly higher position than they have. it's something to think about, if your truly willing to look at the two choices objectively.[/quote] The steelers have missed on OL in the first round in recent years. Kendal Simmons and Jamain Stevens were both huge first round busts. Although Pouncey was a good, but slightly overrated, pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBengal Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Also, isnt Paul Alexander a great interview? The guy is very forthcoming and offers up good opinions and stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='Phatcat' timestamp='1335501396' post='1123406'] "would you also agree that team has made some pretty good selections of late with offensive line picks?" When it comes to offensive line picks by the Steelers since they lost their Oline coach when Tomlin took over, I would say they have sucked at picking and developing Oline men..... [/quote] if that's your stance, i'll leave you to think that way, since we're so far apart in our beliefs. i think they've done pretty well both in recognizing top talents and getting the most out of their lower level picks. this aside from injuries, of course. i'll allow you the right to think paul alexander's done a better job than them. that's certainly your perogative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='T-Dub' timestamp='1335501708' post='1123416'] Quiet, please! Steeler nut-swinging in progress! [/quote] i've got a nut you can swing on, motherfucker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='Phatcat' timestamp='1335501680' post='1123415'] OK. We will agree to disagree. You: the Bengals fucked up. Me: Bengals did a great job, got the guy they wanted, and another pick they can use to move up in the second round if they so choose to... [/quote] you didn't listen to my words very well. i didn't say they fucked up. i said they made a good trade that they need that #93 to hit on. i also said that all things being equal, the steelers chose decastro over zeitler, which i would have done as well. there's a helluva difference in those two statements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CougarQuest Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='Oldcat' timestamp='1335501311' post='1123404'] Actually, their OL has been a weakness for some time. [/quote] And it seems like its brought up every game they're on national tv and the draft for the past several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Finally. No more relying on Otis Hudson and the various other 14324234 guard projects we have taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarkster Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I said the day that Palmer was dwelt that if we got nothing else out of the 2012 and 2013 drafts/free agency, I wanted to see us rebuild the OLine. I think Zeitler may be the final piece. Starters: OC Kyle Cook LG Travelle Wharton RG Kevin Zeitler LT Andrew Whitworth RT Andre Smith Top Reserves: Jacob Bell Clint Boling Anthony Collins Fighting for the last spot: Otis Hudson Matt O'Donnell Dennis Roland Not too shabby. A definite upgrade, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='snarkster' timestamp='1335503395' post='1123430'] I said the day that Palmer was dwelt that if we got nothing else out of the 2012 and 2013 drafts/free agency, I wanted to see us rebuild the OLine. I think Zeitler may be the final piece. Starters: OC Kyle Cook LG Travelle Wharton RG Kevin Zeitler LT Andrew Whitworth RT Andre Smith Top Reserves: Jacob Bell Clint Boling Anthony Collins Fighting for the last spot: Otis Hudson Matt O'Donnell Dennis Roland Not too shabby. A definite upgrade, IMO. [/quote] i'd probably rate hudson higher than bell. i have my doubts he'll even make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 [quote name='bengaled' timestamp='1335502231' post='1123420'] i've got a nut you can swing on, motherfucker! [/quote] Hmmm.. A Steelers or Patriots fan would have had a funnier response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I strongly urge anyone who hasn't watched this video to check out our new RG. Dominant. He's very good at pulling and actually locating and engaging his man (I was through with all of the whiffing we had the last few years), he routinely fires off the line and drives his man five yards deep, he never loses his feet, and he frequently plants his man into the turf. One of those was Devon Still, who many had as a 1st round caliber DT. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phahBI8uxKw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan850 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 i can grow to like this pick, you couldn't really go wrong with him DDC or glenn, i'm just glad we grabbed one and didn't do anymore of this 5th round project bull crap that rarely works for us lately, look our two best linemen on the team are whit and andre, a 2nd and 1st rounders, there's a reason there's people at the top and people at the bottom of prospect lists and we'd been digging for the bottom trying to find a diamond for the interior o-line for too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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