Jamie_B Posted June 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Single payer was and still is the way to go. I love mine :) Pretty much, but we have folks in this country that fight anything that might be "socialism" sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Finklestein Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Its funny really. No one here really thinks of it as Socialized Medicine. Here it's just, "If you are sick, go to the doctor." No worries about copays, insurance, hospital bills. And before anyone says "What about the long waits?" I have been to the Emergency Room 3 times for kidney stones and never had to wait more than an hour. When I lived in Florida, my ex-wife had a compound fracture in her foot and waited over two hours in the ER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Its funny really. No one here really thinks of it as Socialized Medicine. Here it's just, "If you are sick, go to the doctor." No worries about copays, insurance, hospital bills. And before anyone says "What about the long waits?" I have been to the Emergency Room 3 times for kidney stones and never had to wait more than an hour. When I lived in Florida, my ex-wife had a compound fracture in her foot and waited over two hours in the ER. Yeah but don't you take responsibility for helping others with their health care through shared costs? Fuuuuuck that, I gots to get mine, cash rules everything around me, dolla dolla bill y'all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Skins Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I dont live in MD, I live in VA. Further when did you have the freedom to choose your insurance provider? Every company I've ever worked for has said "this is who your health insurance provider is" Even further providing access to birth control is hardly putting people on it, and frankly providing access to it might just lower the number of abortions this country has. Technically, you can decline your work's health care and either go without one at all (until next year), or go on your own. Kaiser (in the DC area), you can pay into. My mom has done that for over 5 years. I get what you are saying about an employer forcing you onto one system and no one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Technically, you can decline your work's health care and either go without one at all (until next year), or go on your own. Kaiser (in the DC area), you can pay into. My mom has done that for over 5 years. I get what you are saying about an employer forcing you onto one system and no one else. which technically 9 out of 10 times it more expensive to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 http://youtu.be/_o65vMUk5so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Seems to be a mixed bag, wonder what is different from CA and OH? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/06/california-is-the-white-houses-proof-that-obamacare-is-working/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 my car insurance went up because of Obomascare.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 my pet insurance went up cause of obamacore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 http://news.yahoo.com/coverage-may-unaffordable-low-wage-workers-151922273.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 ask anybody and they will tell you everything is going up not down because of Obomascare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 ask anybody and they will tell you everything is going up not down because of Obomascare! I just asked a squirrel and all it did was make some kind of weird "ch-ch-ch-ch-ch" sound. I'm pretty sure that means "this lady doesn't know wtf she's talking about" in squirrel language, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 my car insurance went up because of Obomascare.. yeah I doubt it went up because of Obamacare, likely other reasons. http://news.yahoo.com/coverage-may-unaffordable-low-wage-workers-151922273.html CA is on top of this issue, seems to be the states will have to find a way to keep employers from skirting the rules ask anybody and they will tell you everything is going up not down because of Obomascare! Fruedian Slip? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I can't believe you are so blind to Obomacare..companies are going to have to pay out more to make sure all there employees have the health care.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Does bolding your words make that true? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Finklestein Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 ask anybody and they will tell you everything is going up not down because of Obomascare! Does Obamascare now cover Viagra? :rsju31uh9: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Does Obamascare now cover Viagra? :rsju31uh9: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 yeah I doubt it went up because of Obamacare, likely other reasons. CA is on top of this issue, seems to be the states will have to find a way to keep employers from skirting the rules Fruedian Slip? ;) I asked my insurance agent..so what is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 CA is on top of this issue, seems to be the states will have to find a way to keep employers from skirting the rules Anyone who didn't expect businesses to take measures like this is an idiot. It's either that, or lower wages, or raise prices. Or all of the above. Just like raising taxes on businesses, costs get passed along to employees and consumers. The other option is to move your business to a different country. A question for everyone. Since Obamacare has been passed, and we're starting to find out what's in it away from the fog of controversy™ is it looking anything like you expected it to look? Is it going to do the things you wanted it to do, or is the jury still out? Looks like a clusterfuck to me, and you and I are the cluster that's going to be fucked. I could be wrong though, someone convince me why this is a good thing. As I understand it, millions will still be uninsured, and those of us who've always had insurance are going to be limited on our choices and prices will most likely go up. I think it's designed that way to get us to the point where single payer will be the only option. I know some of you are all for that, but what little actual debate there was about it, that's not how it was sold (rammed through). I could probably give you Jamie's response, I'm interested in what others think. Of course that doesn't mean Jamie can't respond, by all means do, but I'm hoping to get some others' thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I asked my insurance agent..so what is your point? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Anyone who didn't expect businesses to take measures like this is an idiot. It's either that, or lower wages, or raise prices. Or all of the above. Just like raising taxes on businesses, costs get passed along to employees and consumers. The other option is to move your business to a different country. A question for everyone. Since Obamacare has been passed, and we're starting to find out what's in it away from the fog of controversy™ is it looking anything like you expected it to look? Is it going to do the things you wanted it to do, or is the jury still out? Looks like a clusterfuck to me, and you and I are the cluster that's going to be fucked. I could be wrong though, someone convince me why this is a good thing. As I understand it, millions will still be uninsured, and those of us who've always had insurance are going to be limited on our choices and prices will most likely go up. I think it's designed that way to get us to the point where single payer will be the only option. I know some of you are all for that, but what little actual debate there was about it, that's not how it was sold (rammed through). I could probably give you Jamie's response, I'm interested in what others think. Of course that doesn't mean Jamie can't respond, by all means do, but I'm hoping to get some others' thoughts. This comes from a friend of mine who is a Harvard grad and an economist, I expect you to reject it because you know..."socialism" http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/business/what-sweden-can-tell-us-about-obamacare.html?_r=1& Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Lol are you referencing to your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 are you referencing to your post? No yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Here is the 10 minute video of Pelosi's speech where she made the "pass the bill to find out what's in it" comment. http://youtu.be/nWEeP7bY9Lw What "context" am I missing that makes this a reasonable thing to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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