|Lucid| Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 [quote name='Enon Bengal' timestamp='1345806864' post='1150675'] And there you have the fundamental difference between Protestants and Catholics... [/quote] Agreed to an extent.. But protestantism still springs from the original church in many ways.. You still have a chain of command, and man that represents god (although in a somewhat diminished fashion).. I would posit, that instead of gathering together in a building (usually painfully adored with opulent decor), wouldn't it be more along the teachings of Christ to instead, serve on Saturday doing work within the community (whatever good work the "church" chooses) and then resting on Sunday? I just find it strange that so much emphasis is placed on going to church and praying in public when I can't find anything in the bible from Jesus saying that we should do this (and in fact states explicitly not to in the sermon on the mount).. It's only after his death that they start the church and basically continue the model of the synagogues, but with a twist. Again, I don't have a problem with church so much is with it's incarnation currently.. It just seems they got things backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' timestamp='1345666916' post='1149692'] I suppose in this sense I've been focused on the description itself and not the object of description. Lots to chew on, much appreciated. [/quote] [url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19408363"]Read this today[/url] which serves as an example of the actual universe doing its thing and the human mind "catching up" to it (in small ways) via discovery/hypothesis/understanding. Note the artist rendition. The relation between description/object etc... is a major issue within epistemology. For some it's a life's work. Just keep being curious, with some rigor, and you'll be happily surprised as you become more wise over the course of your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Skins Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/04/28/will-not-obey-christian-leaders-threaten-civil-disobedience-if-supreme-court/ “We will not obey.” That’s the blunt warning a group of prominent religious leaders is sending to the Supreme Court of the United States as they consider same-sex marriage. “We respectfully warn the Supreme Court not to cross that line,” read a document titled, Pledge in Solidarity to Defend Marriage. “We stand united together in defense of marriage. Make no mistake about our resolve.” “While there are many things we can endure, redefining marriage is so fundamental to the natural order and the common good that this is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross,” the pledge states. The signees are a who’s who of religious leaders including former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum, National Religious Broadcasters president Jerry Johnson, Pastor John Hagee, and Franklin Graham, president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and Samaritan’s Purse. The pledge was co-drafted by Deacon Keith Fournier, a Catholic deacon, and Mat Staver, the founder of Liberty Counsel. Also involved in the document were Rick Scarborough, the president of Vision America Action and James Dobson, the founder of Family Talk Radio. “We’re sending a warning to the Supreme Court and frankly any court that crosses the line on the issue of marriage,” Staver told me. He said that once same-sex marriage is elevated to the level of protected status – it will transform the face of society and will result in the “beginning of the end of Western Civilization.” “You are essentially saying that boys and girls don’t need moms and dads – that moms and dads are irrelevant,” Staver said. “Gender becomes pointless when government adopts same-sex marriage. It creates a genderless relationship out of a very gender-specific relationship. It says that it doesn’t matter and that two moms or two dads are absolutely equivalent to a mom and a dad.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/04/28/will-not-obey-christian-leaders-threaten-civil-disobedience-if-supreme-court/ “We will not obey.” That’s the blunt warning a group of prominent religious leaders is sending to the Supreme Court of the United States as they consider same-sex marriage. “We respectfully warn the Supreme Court not to cross that line,” read a document titled, Pledge in Solidarity to Defend Marriage. “We stand united together in defense of marriage. Make no mistake about our resolve.” “While there are many things we can endure, redefining marriage is so fundamental to the natural order and the common good that this is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross,” the pledge states. The signees are a who’s who of religious leaders including former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum, National Religious Broadcasters president Jerry Johnson, Pastor John Hagee, and Franklin Graham, president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and Samaritan’s Purse. The pledge was co-drafted by Deacon Keith Fournier, a Catholic deacon, and Mat Staver, the founder of Liberty Counsel. Also involved in the document were Rick Scarborough, the president of Vision America Action and James Dobson, the founder of Family Talk Radio. “We’re sending a warning to the Supreme Court and frankly any court that crosses the line on the issue of marriage,” Staver told me. He said that once same-sex marriage is elevated to the level of protected status – it will transform the face of society and will result in the “beginning of the end of Western Civilization.” “You are essentially saying that boys and girls don’t need moms and dads – that moms and dads are irrelevant,” Staver said. “Gender becomes pointless when government adopts same-sex marriage. It creates a genderless relationship out of a very gender-specific relationship. It says that it doesn’t matter and that two moms or two dads are absolutely equivalent to a mom and a dad.” Looks like it's time for a new "Age of Enlightenment". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 That's fine the SCOTUS can just declare all marriages are now civil unions in the eyes of the law and the church can call it whatever it wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I agree with everything I said in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBengalFanGuy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I would have commented but damn I can't read that much text in one sitting. Hope you do well though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Skins Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Variety @Variety 4m4 minutes ago Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Same-Sex Marriage http://bit.ly/1LpfFCd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Variety @Variety 4m4 minutes ago Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Same-Sex Marriage http://bit.ly/1LpfFCd So many people get the theology wrong on this, imo, which is why I dont think it belongs in this thread. The court did the right thing today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Skins Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 So many people get the theology wrong on this, imo, which is why I dont think it belongs in this thread. The court did the right thing today. I was hoping to find a thread directly related to this, and based on a serach, I didn't see it. Saw this on Twitter and laughed: Matt Kranis @Matt_Kranis 5m5 minutes ago ... is it a coincidence that this #SCOTUSMarriage ruling comes on the opening day of #Ted2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 You know you have the right to create a new thread right? :lol: Anyway I'm sure this aspect of it will come up amongst people today so Ill share this to combat those people when you see it.... http://www.thegodarticle.com/faith/clobbering-biblical-gay-bashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Skins Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 You know you have the right to create a new thread right? :lol: Anyway I'm sure this aspect of it will come up amongst people today so Ill share this to combat those people when you see it.... http://www.thegodarticle.com/faith/clobbering-biblical-gay-bashing :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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