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I think you can argue it either way. With two timeouts, the two minute warning, and the D playing well, there's a good chance you get the ball back with decent field position only down 1 and plenty of time left.

Even not getting it, they got close to midfield with a minute left. Plenty of time had they only been down 1.
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If marvin goes for 2 this is a non issue. Needing a FG late is ALWAYS better than needing a TD.

If the 2 point conversion fails you find yourself in the exact same position you were in, needing a TD.

Not going for 2 was the wrong move. Kicking the XP literally gains you nothing.
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No matter what call Marvin would have made, either way if the Bengals would have won he would have been praised, and if they lost he gets skewered. Most players on the team played horrible today and they lost. Marvin doesn't suit up on the field and make plays, the players do. That's where your blame should be.
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[quote name='Lewdog' timestamp='1349642073' post='1167633']
No matter what call Marvin would have made, either way if the Bengals would have won he would have been praised, and if they lost he gets skewered. Most players on the team played horrible today and they lost. Marvin doesn't suit up on the field and make plays, the players do. That's where your blame should be.
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well he is in charge of picking the players...motivating them and getting them ready to play...if this was a 1 year thing i would agree with you...but he has had total control for 2 years now and it hasnt changed anything
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[quote name='BengalRep85-9' timestamp='1349642009' post='1167631']
If marvin goes for 2 this is a non issue. Needing a FG late is ALWAYS better than needing a TD.

If the 2 point conversion fails you find yourself in the exact same position you were in, needing a TD.

Not going for 2 was the wrong move. Kicking the XP literally gains you nothing.
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rule of thumb is you don't go for two until you [b]HAVE[/b] to. There was 14:15 left. Far too early to go for 2.
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[quote name='Lewdog' timestamp='1349642073' post='1167633']
No matter what call Marvin would have made, either way if the Bengals would have won he would have been praised, and if they lost he gets skewered. Most players on the team played horrible today and they lost. Marvin doesn't suit up on the field and make plays, the players do. That's where your blame should be.
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Giving them the best opportunity to win is the job of the HC. Lewis failed at that today by making 2 bad decisions.
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[quote name='MrDingleDangle' timestamp='1349642198' post='1167635']
well he is in charge of picking the players...motivating them and getting them ready to play...if this was a 1 year thing i would agree with you...but he has had total control for 2 years now and it hasnt changed anything
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not saying Marvin is blameless today, but its all too easy to use the HC as a scapegoat. There were drops, fumbles, missed blocks, and a couple questionable playcalls. Those are ALL things other than Marvin.

Team Loss.
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[quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1349642201' post='1167636']
rule of thumb is you don't go for two until you [b]HAVE[/b] to. There was 14:15 left. Far too early to go for 2.
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With the way the offense was playing you take the opportunity to get within a FG when you can.

If they don't convert the 2 they find themselves in the exact same position, still needing a TD.

Kicking the XP was the wrong move and had no benefit
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[quote name='MrDingleDangle' timestamp='1349642198' post='1167635']
well he is in charge of picking the players...motivating them and getting them ready to play...if this was a 1 year thing i would agree with you...but he has had total control for 2 years now and it hasnt changed anything
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The Bengals went to the playoffs last year with a rookie QB and rookie WR, and was one of the youngest teams in the league.

[quote name='BengalRep85-9' timestamp='1349642285' post='1167638']
Giving them the best opportunity to win is the job of the HC. Lewis failed at that today by making 2 bad decisions.
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Yes Marvin has many faults, but he can't make the plays out on the field. The players have shown they can do it, but today they played piss poor all around. A Franchise can't come in and clean house every week when a team loses. They have to show the players what they did wrong in the film room and make sure it doesn't happen again.
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When the game is on the line, would you rather the Bengal offense be deciding it, or the D? That is the question. I’d rahter have the O, which was why going for the FG was a bad decision.

But the real problem was the horrible play call on 3rd down. Still not sure what that was. I think that play was designed to get the first down, or if it failed, to make a short 4th and 2-3 and then go for it.
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IMO, game was lost when they only scored 6 instead of 10 or 14 early. They had a chance to get off to a great start and didn't execute. Lots of plays left on the field today... To me, Marvin is far down the list of offenders. 3rd down execution in particular on offense was atrocious.
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With the way the defense was playing, it was a tough call for him to make. I probably would have went for it, Marv kicked the field goal and thought his defense could get him the ball and they could hit a game winner.

Miami isn't a bad team. But we played awful today. In the grand scheme, this loss won't matter if we keep playing like this against the teams we have down the stretch.
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[quote name='JC' timestamp='1349643241' post='1167652']
With the way the defense was playing, it was a tough call for him to make. I probably would have went for it,[b] Marv kicked the field goal and thought his defense could get him the ball and they could hit a game winner.[/b]

Miami isn't a bad team. But we played awful today. In the grand scheme, this loss won't matter if we keep playing like this against the teams we have down the stretch.
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yea the decision looks a lot different if Nugent makes a kick he should have made. Instead, Marvin is getting blamed instead of Nugent.


If he makes it, there's a good chance the Bengals would have gotten the ball back around their own 30 with a good minute and a half down 1. Barring a good return, Miami would have gotten it around their own 20, tried to run the clock like they did anyway, and punted with just under 2 minutes like they did anyway.
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[quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1349643629' post='1167655']
yea the decision looks a lot different if Nugent makes a kick he should have made. Instead, Marvin is getting blamed instead of Nugent.


If he makes it, there's a good chance the Bengals would have gotten the ball back around their own 30 with a good minute and a half down 1. Barring a good return, Miami would have gotten it around their own 20, tried to run the clock like they did anyway, and punted with just under 2 minutes like they did anyway.
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Plus, if Nuge makes it, the Phins wouldn't get the ball in good field position, they would have been forced to return a kick. If the Bengals special teams do well they would have pinned Miami closer to their endzone or maybe caused a fumble. A part of every NFL game is luck or unexpected plays.
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[quote name='Lewdog' timestamp='1349642073' post='1167633']
No matter what call Marvin would have made, either way if the Bengals would have won he would have been praised, and if they lost he gets skewered. Most players on the team played horrible today and they lost. Marvin doesn't suit up on the field and make plays, the players do. That's where your blame should be.
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no but his position coach's should be doing a better job,of coaching the players on defense. and the strength coordinator should have been replaced last year.it just seems like the players are only one's held accountable and not the coaches an the coaching staff.
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[quote name='bigboi' timestamp='1349644008' post='1167659']
no but his position coach's should be doing a better job,of coaching the players on defense. and the strength coordinator should have been replaced last year.it just seems like the players are only one's held accountable and not the coaches an the coaching staff.
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respectfully disagree. Marvin's used as a scapegoat all the time.
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[quote name='bigboi' timestamp='1349644008' post='1167659']
no but his position coach's should be doing a better job,of coaching the players on defense. and the strength coordinator should have been replaced last year.it just seems like the players are only one's held accountable and not the coaches an the coaching staff.
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Dude the sky isn't falling. The Bengals were in the playoffs last year and are 2-2 this year. Did you expect this team to go undefeated or something? They are still very young, sure you don't hope they lose games, but you have to still expect some growing pains. You have to take into account this team has had a lot of injuries and some of the guys are spending more time out on the field than usual.

I repeat, the sky is not falling.
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