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[quote name='BengalsOwn' timestamp='1350265295' post='1170777']
He has coordinators that are responsible for that.
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You say this so often. Why do you continue to deflect blame from Marvin? Most head coaches I have seen when they video tape before the game, at halftime, or at the end of the game, talk to their team and give them so kind of speech. Sometimes they even call guys out that are doing a good job, or guys that need to step up. When the Bengals come out of the locker room to play, they look like Marvin sprayed them with a water bottle to make them get off the couch, and sulk away. It's just pathetic.
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[quote name='Lewdog' timestamp='1350268561' post='1170808']
You say this so often. Why do you continue to deflect blame from Marvin? [b]Most head coaches I have seen when they video tape before the game, at halftime, or at the end of the game, talk to their team and give them so kind of speech. [/b] Sometimes they even call guys out that are doing a good job, or guys that need to step up. When the Bengals come out of the locker room to play, they look like Marvin sprayed them with a water bottle to make them get off the couch, and sulk away. It's just pathetic.
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thats absolutely true, but its the coordinators that make the actual adjustments. As I understand it they meet as a team and then the offense and defense break up and talk about things over and talk about changes.

The coordinators make and implement the changes, its Marvin's job to make sure they do. Everyone shares in the blame.
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[quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1350268779' post='1170812']
thats absolutely true, but its the coordinators that make the actual adjustments. As I understand it they meet as a team and then the offense and defense break up and talk about things over and talk about changes.

The coordinators make and implement the changes, its Marvin's job to make sure they do. Everyone shares in the blame.
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That's pretty much how it was on all the football teams I played on, but I think the point being made by some is, why are these so devoid of emotion all the time? The coordinators might be making the right adjustments but are the players paying attention? Why do they not have ANY emotion coming out of the locker room? They were leading 14-7 at halftime, yet in the third quarter they acted like they were down three touchdown. Now let me say this, the defense ALWAYS has more emotion than the offense. Is Gruden not a rah rah guy? They need to figure this shit out, it happens every week.
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[color=#008000][size=1][b]Bengals 24- 34 Browns (last updated 10:30am)[/b][/size][/color][/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=2]
[b][u]Snap Shot[/u][/b][/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3]
[b]Bengals Offense: [/b]The routes run numbers for the Bengals wideouts are in. A.J. Green naturally led the way with 51, followed by Andrew Hawkins (43), then Armon Binns (27), while Marvin Jones (13) ran two more than Brandon Tate (11).[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3]
[b]Bengals Defense: [/b]Six linebackers saw defensive action for the Bengals but only Rey Maualuga played every snap (Vontaze Burflict missed two while earning a [b][color=#008000]+2.7[/color][/b] grade).[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3]
[b]Browns Offense: [/b]On Cameron Jordan watch the tight end was on the field for 47.8% of plays and only 46.9% of passing plays.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3]
[b]Browns Defense: [/b]With Ahtyba Rubin out John Hughes managed 67.6% of defensive snaps, while Billy Winn played a mammoth (for a defensive tackle) 81.8% of plays.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3]
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[b]Bengals Offense: [/b]Another big dat for A.J. Green who averaged 2.65 yards per route run. Matching his season average.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3]
[b]Bengals Defense: [/b]Between the whole defense the Bengals managed just six combined sacks, hits and hurries. They missed five tackles. Never good when those numbers are so close.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3]
[b]Browns Offense: [/b]Owen Marecic was thrown at twice, and channeling his best Joe Hawley impersonation, dropped both balls.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3]
[b]Browns Defense: [/b]A nice day for Sheldon Brown who was targeted six times, allowed three completions, deflected two balls, and most crucially intercepted one that game the Browns an unassailable lead.[/size][/font][/color]
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[quote name='BengalsOwn' timestamp='1350265295' post='1170777']
He has coordinators that are responsible for that.
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Pretty sure he is the HEAD coach. Our 3rd quarter play had been HORRID. At some point he needs to do something about, preferably before you lose to teams like the Dolphins and Browns.
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[b] Notes: Cribbs delivers[/b]

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CLEVELAND — Both Bengals cover teams in the kicking game were in the NFL's top 10 last season and they came in ranked fourth covering punts this year until a familiar foe caused havoc Sunday at Cleveland Browns Stadium and turned the tide in Cincinnati's 34-24 loss.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Neither offense was doing much in the second half and if the Bengals could make it a two-score game with their 14-7 lead, it looked like that would be enough against the young Browns. But Pro Bowl returner Josh Cribbs gave the crowd life with his longest punt return ever against the Bengals, a controversial 60-yarder early in the third quarter.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
It took Cribbs eight seasons to pop one that long against the Bengals, although he had a 50-yarder against them here in 2009, and it came off a terrific punt by[url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/kevin-huber/1d34c7f7-455d-407c-9f66-9df83696a5da/"]Kevin Huber[/url] that he caught near the sideline at the Bengals 10.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Except the Bengals thought Cribbs called for a fair catch and gunner[url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/jeromy-miles/09dba302-ad70-4db5-9d2f-d05a423847b6/"]Jeromy Miles[/url] ran by him.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
"I think everybody thought it was a fair catch," Miles said. "It was one of those bang-bang plays."[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Linebacker [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/vincent-rey/5550e7d6-cb13-4ae1-8ae2-bb01fe4a7378/"]Vincent Rey[/url] said he also thought he saw Cribbs wave his hand and slowed up for an instant. Cribbs caught it, split linebackers [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/manny-lawson/8f230b5b-dcdc-4dbc-886b-bac3666ad19a/"]Manny Lawson[/url] and[url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/roddrick-muckelroy/b1bf7caf-486c-469a-97b4-cc13064cb140/"]Roddrick Muckelroy[/url] up the sideline, and was gone until Miles sprinted back and dragged him down.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
That put the ball on the Cincinnati 30 and set up Phil Dawson's 41-yard field goal to cut the lead to 14-10. But more importantly, the return gave the Browns and the crowd life.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
"He caused dysfunction on one play," said linebacker [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/dan-skuta/1a013160-8ab3-4f48-88a4-3959b11bdc34/"]Dan Skuta[/url], who said the entire punt team thought it had been a fair catch. "But that doesn't make any excuses. You've got to get him and take care of business. That's why he's the best. He makes plays like that. You have to be ready against him every single play."[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Maybe just as big was Cribbs's 44-yard kick return after the Bengals had cut the lead to 20-17 with 11:11 left in the game. That set up a three-minute TD drive that was really the final nail. Last year he nearly got the Browns a win in the season opener with a 51-yarder against the Bengals and this year he's got the two longest kick returns against them with 44 and 38 yards.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
"We did let Cribbs out of there on two big plays and it ended up being eventually the field position plays that killed us and you can’t do that against him," said head coach Marvin Lewis. "When we relax on him, we think that he has made a signal for fair catch and then we let him out on the kickoff after we scored."[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Forget quarterback Brandon Weeden's 71-yard strike to Josh Gordon in the first quarter and his 23-yard throw to someone named Jordan Cameron in the fourth quarter. Without those two returns, Browns head coach Pat Shurmur may not have broken the 11-game losing streak.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
“His returns are a huge spark. God knows what’s going to happen when Cribbs has the ball in his hands, especially on punt returns," Shurmur said. "We talk about whether he plays offense or not, but when he’s out there and the field is wide and there’s bodies all over the place he just has a unique ability to make plays. He did the same thing in coverage. His presence on the field on special teams is not undervalued in my mind and his punt returns; of course, his kick returns did give us a jump.”[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
[b]BACKUP BONANZA:[/b] Backup Browns running back Montario Hardesty came out of nowhere for his first 15 carries of the season for 56 yards and gave the Browns a huge lift in the second half after rookie running back Trent Richardson went to the bench with a rib injury. The Bengals had smothered Richardson for 37 yards on 14 carries, but Hardesty looked like Jim Brown.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Left end [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/robert-geathers/df33bdf1-58ad-48e6-9099-dd89edc34d0e/"]Robert Geathers[/url] saw no difference in scheme.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
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Hardesty pounded for 23 yards on three straight runs and it set up Cameron's 10th catch of the season and his longest gain of the season. Weeden went play-action and had so much time he must have felt like he was back on a minor-league mound and was able to find the tight end.[/size][/font][/color][color=#393939][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]
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despite the missed running into the kicker call, gotta put that punt return on Jeromy Miles. He thought Cribbs called for a fair catch, but while Cribbs does wave his arms, they never even get as high as his chest. A fair catch signal constitutes raising your hand over your head. Cribbs never came close.

Mils was in position to tackle him and let up.
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[quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1350325640' post='1171020']
despite the missed running into the kicker call, gotta put that punt return on Jeromy Miles. He thought Cribbs called for a fair catch, but while Cribbs does wave his arms, they never even get as high as his chest. A fair catch signal constitutes raising your hand over your head. Cribbs never came close.

Mils was in position to tackle him and let up.
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I thought he had signaled for fair catch when watching it live as it happened. So credit to Cribbs for almost, but not signalling a fair catch. It was a big play.
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