CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

[Jamie_B]

I think that is what gets me. Being an Ambassador makes your life more worthy of outrage than any other American (or non American for that matter)?

[bengalrick]

[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1353131321' post='1181231']
I think that is what gets me. Being an Ambassador makes your life more worthy of outrage than any other American (or non American for that matter)?
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This thread was created from the beginning because it seemed like a shady story. It only gets more and more shady. Keep defending it though if you feel the need. I will keep posting stories as they come out.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='bengalrick' timestamp='1353203953' post='1181330']
This thread was created from the beginning because it seemed like a shady story. It only gets more and more shady. Keep defending it though if you feel the need. I will keep posting stories as they come out.
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Defending what? It's happened before and it will happen again so long as our foreign policy remains what it is. The outrage that folks are showing [i][b]now[/b][/i] is what is suspect.

[T-Dub]

It's like people don't even recognize the significance of us having a consulate in Libya to begin with...

[Homer_Rice]

[quote name='T-Dub' timestamp='1353252296' post='1181380']
It's like people don't even recognize the significance of us having a consulate in Libya to begin with...
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My understanding is that there was a sensitive CIA eavesdropping comm station in Bengazi which complicated matters.

[|Numbers|]

This is going to be an ambiguous post for me. On one hand I think I don't fault Susan Rice after looking at her past and reading various documents listed below. On the other hand, Rice is a product of her past and could very well entangle us in future engagements because of her past.

1. Under the Clinton administration in various posts (Rice held) there was genocide in Rwanda with estimated death at 500,000 to 1,000,000. Later, Rice stated that Washington must prevent these things from happening.

2. The Genocide in Rwanda perhaps colored Rice's view of Africa. She was for going into Libya, perhaps because she knew there was potential for another genocide.

3. Off subject slightly: The funds for the protection of US assets on the ground would have initially came from us but eventually from the UN (IF PDD 25 or its facsimile was still in use). Considering the following: [url="http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_71652.htm"]http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_71652.htm[/url] "On 16 September, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 2009, which unanimously reasserted NATO’s mandate to protect civilians in Libya. The new resolution also established a United Nations Support Mission in Libya (UNSMIL)."

4. Rice IMHO and a few others in power are not to blame for the Bhengazi incident. After looking at PDD 25 and who controls what aspect of an operation, she most likely did not have enough information in her control to make a decision or for that fact a statement regarding the incident. Fault her for opening her mouth out of turn but not for covering up. She just IMO did not have all the information.

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rice"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rice[/url]
Rice served in the Clinton administration in various capacities: at the National Security Council from 1993 to 1997; as Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping from 1993 to 1995; and as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs from 1995 to 1997.

[url="http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2012/11/27/sri-lanka-skeptical-susan-rice-samantha-power-elevation-top-us-diplomatic-positions"]http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2012/11/27/sri-lanka-skeptical-susan-rice-samantha-power-elevation-top-us-diplomatic-positions[/url]
"For me, the memory of stepping around over those decomposed corpses will remain in the most searing reminder imaginable of what our work here (in Washington) must aim to prevent," she said 7 April 2009 at a special commemorative event at the UN headquarters in new York."

[url="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/evil/interviews/gourevitch.html"]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/evil/interviews/gourevitch.html[/url]
Presidential Decision Directive 25: " ...things that we should review when we consider intervention. "

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Decision_Directive_25"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Decision_Directive_25[/url]
"PDD-25 was created to prevent the United States from using peacekeeping operations as the centerpiece of its foreign policy.
PDD 25 was given as the legal basis for deploying American soldiers into Macedonia in 1993-1999
PDD 25 was declassified in 2009."

[url="http://www.clintonlibrary.gov/_previous/textual-Presidential_Directives.htm"]http://www.clintonlibrary.gov/_previous/textual-Presidential_Directives.htm[/url]
The declassified PDD 25 from the Clinton Library. Interesting information such as where the funding comes from and also who is in charge of what aspect of an intervention. For those not used to reading such documents pay attention to the paragraphs labeled (S) at the ending. Secret (S), Confidential (C), and Unclassified (U).