texbengal Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Jason' timestamp='1354275944' post='1186390'] If Rey continues to play the way he has the past few weeks, they will attempt to re-sign him. [/quote] I could see that, too. But I could see them moving him back to strong side LB and Burfict to the middle. VB's instincts are better, he's more decisive, and a better tackler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='texbengal' timestamp='1354276824' post='1186393'] I could see that, too. But I could see them moving him back to strong side LB and Burfict to the middle. VB's instincts are better, he's more decisive, and a better tackler. [/quote] That wouldn't surprise me. I really think whether or not they draft a LB will depend on Howard. If he is recovering well I could see them not drafting a LB at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Jason' timestamp='1354276918' post='1186394'] That wouldn't surprise me. I really think whether or not they draft a LB will depend on Howard. If he is recovering well I could see them not drafting a LB at all. [/quote] I think they still will, regardless of Howard's progress. Howard is over 30, and they don't have a lot of depth as far as starters in waiting goes. Manny is gone, Skuta has a short contract, Vinny Rey is a ST guy, and Lamur has possibilities but I think depth-wise, they need more to develop. There's DeQuin Evans on the PS - he may have something. But they are still pretty thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Jason' timestamp='1354276918' post='1186394'] That wouldn't surprise me. I really think whether or not they draft a LB will depend on Howard. If he is recovering well I could see them not drafting a LB at all. [/quote] I think they definitely draft a linebacker relatively early. I think what happens with Howard determines whether or not they draft two. I don't think Lawson will be back, Maualuga may or may not (though I think he will), Moch I don't think will be back (and is really a DE anyway), Skuta I think will be back, and Rey and Lamur aren't anything to rely on. Obviously Burfict will be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1354279569' post='1186401'] [b]I think they definitely draft a linebacker relatively early. I think what happens with Howard determines whether or not they draft two.[/b] I don't think Lawson will be back, Maualuga may or may not (though I think he will), Moch I don't think will be back (and is really a DE anyway), Skuta I think will be back, and Rey and Lamur aren't anything to rely on. Obviously Burfict will be back. [/quote] I agree with this. Rey has been really good lately, but i still see it as a need. Rey and Burfict is all they really have going in to next year. I would love for Howard to come back and be fine, you just can't let that be a given. Lamur might be a good player, again..we can't really count on that. It's a long ways off though, things can change some in these last few games(and the playoff run)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='fluhartz' timestamp='1354280913' post='1186406'] I agree with this. Rey has been really good lately, but i still see it as a need. Rey and Burfict is all they really have going in to next year. I would love for Howard to come back and be fine, you just can't let that be a given. Lamur might be a good player, again..we can't really count on that. It's a long ways off though, things can change some in these last few games(and the playoff run)... [/quote] I think Howard can and will be back, but even if he comes back fully he's still 30. If it were me, I move Burfict to MLB, move Maualuga back to SLB, and draft Khaseem Greene to backup/compete with Howard. Lamur backs up Maualuga, Skuta covers all 3 backup spots, and Vinnie Rey continues to be your special teams backer. Maualuga keeps the helmet with the headset so that Burfict doesn't have to worry about it, plus Maualuga is better in coverage in the nickel. Maualuga and and Howard/Greene your two backers in the nickel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1354281315' post='1186408'] I think Howard can and will be back, but even if he comes back fully he's still 30. If it were me, I move Burfict to MLB, move Maualuga back to SLB, and draft Khaseem Greene to backup/compete with Howard. Lamur backs up Maualuga, Skuta covers all 3 backup spots, and Vinnie Rey continues to be your special teams backer. Maualuga keeps the helmet with the headset so that Burfict doesn't have to worry about it, plus Maualuga is better in coverage in the nickel. Maualuga and and Howard/Greene your two backers in the nickel. [/quote] I would love to have those two playing as you said and a high draft pick(STUD) playing along side them... Maybe a great LB core for years to come.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 I think they will, but I would not be surprised if they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1354209922' post='1186235'] so what are some good anthony barr games to watch? This wasn't exactly one of them. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJNfcIRLu2A[/media] [/quote] It'll do. In that tape Barr lines up at both DE positons and all three LB spots, and on some plays lines up as far as 20 yards off the LOS. Yet despite playing off the LOS roughly half of the snaps he still manages to produce multiple hurries, a tipped pass, a holding penalty, and at least one monster sack. Might have got another, or a piece of it, but I couldn't tell due to the image quality. And in coverage he looked like he might have gotten a pick if a fellow defender hadn't beaten him to the ball. As for negatives, he played too high at times, flashed inside and lost outside containment a couple of times, and when backed off the LOS he wasn't as physical with ballcarriers as a true LB would be. IMHO he looks like he could almost perfectly fill the hybrid role that Moch abandoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='HairOnFire' timestamp='1354301446' post='1186509'] It'll do. In that tape Barr lines up at both DE positons and all three LB spots, and on some plays lines up as far as 20 yards off the LOS. Yet despite playing off the LOS roughly half of the snaps he still manages to produce multiple hurries, a tipped pass, a holding penalty, and at least one monster sack. Might have got another, or a piece of it, but I couldn't tell due to the image quality. And in coverage he looked like he might have gotten a pick if a fellow defender hadn't beaten him to the ball. As for negatives, he played too high at times, flashed inside and lost outside containment a couple of times, and when backed off the LOS he wasn't as physical with ballcarriers as a true LB would be. IMHO he looks like he could almost perfectly fill the hybrid role that Moch abandoned. [/quote] I'll give you the hurries, but he only got to the QB I think twice despite being almost exclusively a rusher, and one of those times he was unguarded, and the other the RB made a bad chip. He looks like an interesting prospect, but that video alone didn't scream "first round pick" to me. He had a monster game against Washington State, albeit against much lesser competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='HairOnFire' timestamp='1354301446' post='1186509'] As for negatives, he played too high at times, flashed inside and lost outside containment a couple of times, and when backed off the LOS he wasn't as physical with ballcarriers as a true LB would be. IMHO he looks like he could almost perfectly fill the hybrid role that Moch abandoned. [/quote] Exactly what I was thinking. This clip shows both he positives and the negatives quite well. Basically, some rawness but a lot of potential with amazing athletic ability (I still think the lean he gets around the edge for a 6'4'' guy is pretty amazing. We have a former UCLA guy as a full-time scout now so I'm guessing we'll have a pretty good bead on Barr. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w0mKUGNuWk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1354301723' post='1186511'] I'll give you the hurries, but he only got to the QB I think twice despite being almost exclusively a rusher, and one of those times he was unguarded, and the other the RB made a bad chip. He looks like an interesting prospect, but that video alone didn't scream "first round pick" to me. He had a monster game against Washington State, albeit against much lesser competition. [/quote] I'm not sure he'll go in the first either, though a lot of people said that about Bruce Irvin and he's leading the rookies in sacks right now, I believe. Something in between Irvin and Von Miller would be just fine with me! (I'm guessing he goes between our 2nd and 3rd picks in the 2nd round if we don't take him with the OAK pick.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Barr is too raw to be a 4-3 OLB where a major responsibility would be coverage. I can't find any videos where he doesn't just rush the QB every time. Seems much better fit in a 3-4 defense. He could surprise and show exceptional coverage skills at the workouts though. But right now there is little to no tape of him in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='alleycat' timestamp='1354302113' post='1186518'] I'm not sure he'll go in the first either, though a lot of people said that about Bruce Irvin and he's leading the rookies in sacks right now, I believe. Something in between Irvin and Von Miller would be just fine with me! [/quote] right, but those guys also actually got to the QB. Not saying Barr hasn't in other games, but against USC he didn't get there much. I certainly don't have a good read on the guy. Haven't watched him enough. Just saying, the USC game alone (which isn't enough to judge a guy), didn't show me a first round pick.[quote name='akiliMVP' timestamp='1354302139' post='1186519'] Barr is too raw to be a 4-3 OLB where a major responsibility would be coverage. I can't find any videos where he doesn't just rush the QB every time. Seems much better fit in a 3-4 defense. He could surprise and show exceptional coverage skills at the workouts though. But right now there is little to no tape of him in coverage. [/quote] in Barr's defense, he does drop more than Jarvis Jones does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1354301723' post='1186511'] I'll give you the hurries, but he only got to the QB I think twice despite being almost exclusively a rusher, and one of those times he was unguarded, and the other the RB made a bad chip. He looks like an interesting prospect, but that video alone didn't scream "first round pick" to me. [/quote] First, I haven't called him a 1st round prospect, and I haven't bothered comparing Barr to Mingo. Rather, I pointed out that I had seen his value listed anywhere form the 4th to the 2nd round, with the latter being close to my own opinion. IMHO that puts him in the mix with players like the LB from Rutgers and others being discussed as options for #34. Last, the very tape you posted shows Barr backed off the LOS roughly half the time so there's little basis for your claim that he is used almost exclusively as a pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='HairOnFire' timestamp='1354302675' post='1186525'] [color=#ff0000][b]First, I haven't called him a 1st round prospect,[/b][/color] and I haven't bothered comparing Barr to Mingo. Rather, I pointed out that I had seen his value listed anywhere form the 4th to the 2nd round, with the latter being close to my own opinion. IMHO that puts him in the mix with players like the LB from Rutgers and others being discussed as options for #34. Last, the very tape you posted shows Barr backed off the LOS roughly half the time so there's little basis for your claim that he is used almost exclusively as a pass rusher. [/quote] another poster did however, hence the comments. I agree that he's be a nice prospect as a 2nd round pick if he can cover well. As it is, I like Greene more because of his cover skills, though to be fair I've watched much more of Greene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Fair enough. It might suprise you that I'm not here to argue, and justed wanted some honest opinions about the guy that might explain why there's so much disagreement about his projected value. To that point there seems to be little agreement about what role he would play in the NFL or what scheme he would best fit. Should be interesting as it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 For the record, I'M the one who suggested he has first round potential (I'm not saying it's going to happen, just you can see flashes of that kind of talent), and I'm also the one who brought up Mingo. The guy was a former running back who's just made the position switch and looks very talented/athletic. He also happens to have better numbers than someone like Mingo (12 vs. 4 sacks to lead the Pac-12 I believe), who, you'd think, with all of the other blue-chip talent around him would have more production. I'm definitely not saying he's Von Miller level, but for a Pass-Rush specialist he already seems to have that elite burst and body lean that you can't teach. Again, I think Bruce Irvin is an interesting comparison. Now he doesn't have the career college #'s that Irvin has had, but again, he just made the switch. The fact that his former NLF head coach, Jim Mora, urged him to make such a big change relatively late tells me that he's got something. Inference, I'll grant you, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7-C4-W_WQA In this clip against Colorado he has: TFL 1 QB Hits 2 Sack 2 In that Oregon State game he has: TFL 1 QB hits 2 Sack 2 PBU 2 Granted, he's playing mostly from DE but what I think may be promising about him is his change of direction ability. He's also quite lanky, and I bet could but on 10-15 pounds between now and next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 UCLA runs a 3-4 I believe and he's an OLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1354302470' post='1186522'] right, but those guys also actually got to the QB. Not saying Barr hasn't in other games, but against USC he didn't get there much. I certainly don't have a good read on the guy. Haven't watched him enough. Just saying, the USC game alone (which isn't enough to judge a guy), didn't show me a first round pick. in Barr's defense, he does drop more than Jarvis Jones does. [/quote] I'm not a Barr expert, but I did read up on him last night and watched some of his videos. To say he doesn't get to the QB much doesn't make much sense. He has 12 sacks this year. I'm pretty sure that leads the Pac 12. He had 2 sacks vs. USC. They may have been on somewhat broken plays, but that is true of sacks for anyone. The guy is obviously a physical freak, but you can't knock him for being a workout warrior without production. He was named 1st team All Pac 12 and was one of the front runners for D conference POY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 [quote name='happyrid' timestamp='1354311609' post='1186588'] I'm not a Barr expert, but I did read up on him last night and watched some of his videos.[color=#ff0000][b] To say he doesn't get to the QB much doesn't make much sense.[/b][/color] He has 12 sacks this year. I'm pretty sure that leads the Pac 12. He had 2 sacks vs. USC. They may have been on somewhat broken plays, but that is true of sacks for anyone. The guy is obviously a physical freak, but you can't knock him for being a workout warrior without production. He was named 1st team All Pac 12 and was one of the front runners for D conference POY. [/quote] I was only talking about specifically the USC game, which he had one sack (unblocked) and 3 total tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 It simply seems to me, given the kind of talent out there, and our needs (along with our never-ending desire to find our "Joker" (see Pollack, Lawson, Moch), he seems to fit a particular team need. And the Bengals, historically, have proven pretty dependable when it comes for filling needs with those first few draft picks. I like Jarvis Jones, but don't see him dropping back much. I don't know much about Von Miller's replacement at Texas A&M, but if we could keep MJ (for not too much money) drafting a pass rushing SLB/Joker would make a lot of sense (If we don't keep MJ, our first pick would be a no-brainer at DE). As it stands right now, I'm thinking more and more that I'd like to see us grab an elite WR if one is available with our first pick. Thankfully, Marvin Jones will get a chance to show us what he's got the next five weeks (the Sanu loss is a shame, but the silver lining is we'll see how Jones develop). Keeping MJ, my dream draft would be something like: 1) WR - Patterson, Hunter, Keenan Allen... (I'd love to get a Henry Clone back up in here). 2) S Vacaro 3) LB Barr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 FWIW, after checking up on some WR's on NFLdraftscout.com (CBS sports' page), their 33rd ranked player was... Anthony Barr, LB UCLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Oh, and the guy who really makes my knees weak is Ezekial Ansah, DE from BYU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 OK, Barr is looking a little gangly in space against Stanford right now... Just got completely turned around on a long Taylor run, where he little turned 270 degrees to face the runner - and gave up an extra 25 yards as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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