Doc: Butch Jones pretended to be committed to UC

[Rumble In the Jungle]

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[b] [size=7]Doc: Butch Jones pretended to be committed to UC[/size][/b]

[b] [color=#696969][size=6]Coach shopped himself like a traveling salesman[/size][/color][/b]


A charade had become a farce before he left. His leaving only made it official.
For the second year in a row, Butch Jones -- aka, Mr. Commitment – shopped himself like a traveling salesman. He didn’t like Purdue. He did like Colorado, then he didn’t. Now, he likes Tennessee. Apparently, Tennessee likes him.
All along, Jones bristled at questions about his future employment because, well, because it’s all about the “kids’’ who would be playing in the Belk Bowl. Now, those same kids will be without their coach in that same bowl. No one needs both sides of a mouth like a college football coach. For Butch Jones, two sides might not be enough.

See ya later, Butch. OK?

Have fun Representing the T. Or, you know, whatever.

This isn’t some angry rant from a jilted lover. UC has hired several solid football coaches in a row. It’ll probably do it again.

Jones did well here. Not as well as his predecessor, but well enough to keep the momentum going. And it wasn’t his fault UC didn’t rate, in the eyes of the Atlantic Coast Conference, or that the Bearcats play in a charming old beater of a stadium we don’t fill.

Jones is leaving for what he perceives as greener grass. OK, fine.

But here’s the thing about Lyle Jones. Here’s why his departure makes Brian Kelly’s exit three years earlier look gracious, and why Jones has made cynics of more people in one day than Kelly or Mark Dantonio did in six years:

He pretended to be committed to Cincinnati.

He made the university look foolish. While Whit Babcock and Santa Ono huddled to find ways to appease Jones, Jones was job hunting.

He said how much he loved it here, then spent every available moment looking to leave. If this is Monday, we must be in Boulder. Jones was a starlet, batting his eyes all over Hollywood. He was a vacuum salesman, knocking at your door, tipping his cap and throwing dirt on your living room rug.

When did the guy have the time to talk to Tennessee?

If it hadn’t been Tennessee, it would have been Wisconsin. If not this year, then next. Maybe Jones’ definition of ‘’commitment’’ is different than yours or mine. Last year, after leveraging one good season into multiple job interviews and a contract extension, Jones said, “I think I’ve proven I want to be here. This is a very special place. We’re building something special here. I ask our players to make a commitment. I need to make a commitment back.’’

Astounding. Even by college football coaches’ standards.

Dear Tennessee fans: When your new coach starts spouting the corny slogans and the silly mantras, you have one move to make, and that’s for your coats. As a parting gift, after it exacts its $1.4 in buyout money, per Jones’ redone contract, UC should offer Butch a platinum-plated shovel, to use in Knoxville whenever he speaks.

We could ponder the logistics here. Did Jones want the Colorado job until his buddy Charlie Strong turned down Tennessee? Had Tennessee not been interested, would Jones’ agent have sent feelers to Wisconsin? Had that been done already?

It doesn’t matter. If you want to know why cynicism runs the show in quasi-amateur football, look no further than Butch Jones. It’s too bad, because college football could use an infusion of hope and faith right about now, as it slides deeper into the money muck. The only reason it isn’t professional now is because its performers don’t get paid. That’s the biggest crime of all, in a very long list of them.

Being a fan requires believing in something. Or in this case, someone. Cynical fans aren’t happy fans. They’re the ones who go to the games to boo and to release aggression they can’t release in polite society. They don’t feel better for having been there. Without that good feeling, what’s the point in being a fan at all?

Good luck to Butch Jones. He had a chance to distinguish himself at UC, and he surely did, though not in the fashion you might have preferred. He’s just like every other quasi-am football coach/mercenary, only moreso, because his ambition and loyalty to self was well hidden, beneath several layers of pseudo-earnestness.

The next coach will have to bear the fallout from Jones’ clumsy departure. Let’s hope that guy doesn’t use any words that sound like “commitment’’ or “loyalty.’’ Comedy isn’t pretty, especially when it’s unintentional.
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I'm sick and tired of coaches coming to UC and using us as a door step for other schools? What is it about our program that coaches won't stick around and go to other schools?
I think we are a good school and have a great program. Been to good bowls, getting players want to come and play here. Won the conference a bunch of times. WTF is it then? Fuck
Butch Jones and his horse.

[BigDawgBengal]

Doc sure sounds like a jilted lover. What is Jones supposed to say? That he hates UC and wants out as soon as possible? That is not going to work very well for him. Every coach lies just like every AD says they're committed to a coach right before they fire him.

The biggest problem with UC is that they are in a bad football conference and it is going to get worse. The campus is not in a safe area and the stadium is a below-average stadium. UC also gets very little national media attention for its football program and they are in a state where they will always be second behind Ohio State not matter what happens.

[Bengals1181]

sounds like Jones was hoping Tennessee would call while he was talking to other teams.


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I'm sick and tired of coaches coming to UC and using us as a door step for other schools? What is it about our program that coaches won't stick around and go to other schools?
I think we are a good school and have a great program. Been to good bowls, getting players want to come and play here. Won the conference a bunch of times. WTF is it then? Fuck
Butch Jones and his horse.
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The big east is dying. UC is a good job, but not even close to what Kelly or Jones left for. Didn't UC steal them both in the first place? That's how the system works.

Seriously, Jones is leaving for double the salary and the #1 conference. I'd question how smart someone was if they didn't leave for that.

[Rumble In the Jungle]

I think it's bullshit that the NCAA lets these coaches walk out on their students before a bowl game. They should do it like the NFL. Can't talk to them till
the season is over. Also, I know the Big East isn't as good of a conference in football but the program we are in isn't shit either.

[Jason]

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[b]I think it's bullshit that the NCAA lets these coaches walk out on their students before a bowl game.[/b] They should do it like the NFL. Can't talk to them till
the season is over. Also, I know the Big East isn't as good of a conference in football but the program we are in isn't shit either.
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I agree. Coaches should not be allowed to leave until their season is over.

[|Bunghole|]

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I agree. Coaches should not be allowed to leave until their season is over.
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Not only that but the knowledge of the coach leaving shouldn't be made public until after the season is over too.

[Bengals1181]

hmmm, wasn't expecting that.



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Tommy Tuberville will be the next head coach at Cincinnati [url="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bearcats&src=hash"][s]#[/s][b]Bearcats[/b][/url][/background][/font][/color]

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UC traded up, in my opinion, if the reports of Tommy Tuberville are true. Way up.[/background][/font][/color]

[Bengals1181]

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Tuberville to UC has not been confirmed by Cincinnati yet - but multiple reliable sources have reported it as accurate.[/background][/font][/color]

[Bengals1181]

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[BigDawgBengal]

Pretty good hire by UC.

[Bengals1181]

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A Tech spokesman confirms Tommy Tuberville will be the next football coach at Cincinnati.[/background][/font][/color]

[Bengals1181]

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Pretty good hire by UC.
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yea, 2x SEC Coach of the Year and an SEC championship under his belt. Experience recruiting Big 12 and SEC territory.

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Cincinnati is looking to make the move into the ACC and Tubs helps that![/background][/font][/color]


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Cinci AD Whit Babcock and Tubs have been close since Tubs was hired back at Auburn. Huge move for Whit!

[Bengals1181]

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Top takeaway for Tuberville hire: He essentially staked his career on fact UC won't be stuck in dying Big East. [url="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23huge&src=hash"][s]#[/s][b]huge[/b][/url][/font][/color]
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Every UC football hire came with a "yeah, but." No buts in this hire. The guy has won at the top level possible.[/background][/font][/color]

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Tuberville coached @ TTU, Ole Miss& Auburn compiling a 130-77 record overall with 5 SEC West titles and an undefeated season(2004 @ Auburn)[/background][/font][/color]

[Bengals1181]

zimmer and petrino in the same city? That could be ugly.



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Bobby Petrino is working on a head coaching opportunity for himself; but if that doesn't happen, he could wind up w Tubs as OC![/font][/color]

[sois]

SUCKERS!

[Khatmandude]

Great hire for UC....I'd rather have Tuberville than Butch Jones, who never impressed me. His inability this year to realize Kay gave them the best chance to win has cost them a few games. I think UC came out on top here.

[Vol_Bengal]

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Also, I know the Big East isn't as good of a conference in football but the program we are in isn't shit either.
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I'm not going to say UC is shit but if you compare it, or a lot of the "middle of the road" programs, to the top end SEC schools from a facility standpoint its ridiculous. Go look at the video of UT, Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, SC facilities... UT's new building is almost obnoxious in its jaw-dropping "niceness". If a coach has an opportunity to go to something like that you'd have to check his sanity if he declined it. I looked at videos of Jones talking to UC players in the locker room - they look like high school locker rooms. Just the awe factor of it in comparison surprised me.

Doc's a bitch... what he should be bitching about is how UC, on the verge of a Big East championship, has their biggest game of the year and can't sell out a 35k seat stadium. UC fans have no right to bitch about an up and coming guy moving on to greener pastures. He's got to be sitting there thinking "what more do I need to do to sell this place out?" Think what you want - UC football is a stepping stone job. What UC fans should do first it fully support their program... and that means go to the game. Sell the place out.

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Great hire for UC....I'd rather have Tuberville than Butch Jones, who never impressed me. His inability this year to realize Kay gave them the best chance to win has cost them a few games. I think UC came out on top here.
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Tuberville is a very good hire for UC. The reason Tuberville isn't getting any SEC looks anymore is that at this point of his career he's a known commodity in that league. He's, at best, a 9-3 coach - at least he's seen that way. He's got a perceived ceiling. These younger guys that are more a question mark are perceived inherently to have a higher ceiling. From the standpoint of a Tennessee fan - I'd rather take the shot with an unknown and the chance at greatness than the known and it being good, but not good enough.

Tuberville will do EXTREMELY well in either the BE or the ACC if they happen to get invited. He's a good coach - he's just on the wrong side of his career hill at this point to get SEC looks.

[Khatmandude]

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I'm not going to say UC is shit but if you compare it, or a lot of the "middle of the road" programs, to the top end SEC schools from a facility standpoint its ridiculous. Go look at the video of UT, Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, SC facilities... UT's new building is almost obnoxious in its jaw-dropping "niceness". If a coach has an opportunity to go to something like that you'd have to check his sanity if he declined it. I looked at videos of Jones talking to UC players in the locker room - they look like high school locker rooms. Just the awe factor of it in comparison surprised me.

Doc's a bitch... what he should be bitching about is how UC, on the verge of a Big East championship, has their biggest game of the year and can't sell out a 35k seat stadium. UC fans have no right to bitch about an up and coming guy moving on to greener pastures. He's got to be sitting there thinking "what more do I need to do to sell this place out?" Think what you want - UC football is a stepping stone job. What UC fans should do first it fully support their program... and that means go to the game. Sell the place out.



Tuberville is a very good hire for UC. The reason Tuberville isn't getting any SEC looks anymore is that at this point of his career he's a known commodity in that league. He's, at best, a 9-3 coach - at least he's seen that way. He's got a perceived ceiling. These younger guys that are more a question mark are perceived inherently to have a higher ceiling. From the standpoint of a Tennessee fan - I'd rather take the shot with an unknown and the chance at greatness than the known and it being good, but not good enough.

Tuberville will do EXTREMELY well in either the BE or the ACC if they happen to get invited. He's a good coach - he's just on the wrong side of his career hill at this point to get SEC looks.
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Good post...I agree with your opinion on UC and I'm a huge UC fan, alum.

[scharm]

Tubberville is a good hire for UC. Next thing that needs to happen is a growth in support for the program.

[Khatmandude]

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Tubberville is a good hire for UC. Next thing that needs to happen is a growth in support for the program.
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Very true...first the fans need to show they are capable of supporting UC athletics, then the facilities need to be upgraded. Then and only then will a desired conference take you seriously. Basketball I'm not worried about...5/3 comes close to sell-out (and it's a big venue for CBB at 13k+ seats) if not selling out for B-EAST games and decent non conference teams but football is another story.

[Cat]

So Petrino took the HC job at Western Kentucky? Good, I loathe that asshat.

[Vol_Bengal]

Wonder what Doc the Douche thinks about what UC's new coach did...

[url="http://texastech.247sports.com/Article/Tommy-Tuberville-left-visiting-recruits-at-the-dinner-table-106322"]http://texastech.247sports.com/Article/Tommy-Tuberville-left-visiting-recruits-at-the-dinner-table-106322[/url]

Dude walked out in the middle of a recruiting dinner and didn't come back!!!

[sois]

I really am shocked UC fans are happy to get Tubs, he sucks so much ass. I don't get it. I'm so happy he is gone.

[Khatmandude]

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I really am shocked UC fans are happy to get Tubs, he sucks so much ass. I don't get it. I'm so happy he is gone.
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You're taking his "success" at TxTech (where he turned their defense around for the most part in his brief time there) and making a judgement on him as a football coach. That's not fair. Look what he did at Auburn. He left and their program went to shit (Can't Newton, that year as the exception).

Anyways, he didn't have much to pick from recruiting to that pathetic excuse for a school haha. He had to battle many big time programs for recruits at TxTech. He'll have better pickings up here with only having OSU, Mich St, Mich as primary competition for recruits.

I'm a huge UC fan and like the hire. With all hires, time will tell if it was indeed a good decision so until that time, keep your whore mouth shut!!!