JC Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 And Tyrann Mathieu is a better football player than Chris Crocker. There ya go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 They're different types of players is what he means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I never tried to dispute that. I'm just saying that they do not need a better chris crocker or whatever. They need a bomb safety. I think Mathieu fits that mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 The defense got much better when Crocker rejoined the team. They need a safety who is a "coach on the field". Someone smart, reliable, and a sure tackler. Adding Crocker has let Nelson freelance more. A younger, faster Crocker would be the perfect addition to the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 He better put on a lot of good weight and have surgery to get his head out of his ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='akiliMVP' timestamp='1357613631' post='1206256'] He better put on a lot of good weight and have surgery to get his head out of his ass [/quote] I don't think the guy has to put on weight. Sure it would be nice, but he isn't shying away from hitting anyone. He would probably come in and be one of our best tacklers. [quote name='Jason' timestamp='1357613581' post='1206255'] The defense got much better when Crocker rejoined the team. They need a safety who is a "coach on the field". Someone smart, reliable, and a sure tackler. Adding Crocker has let Nelson freelance more. A younger, faster Crocker would be the perfect addition to the secondary. [/quote] How many rookies are going to come in and do that? Not many. Whose to say Reggie can't do that or Leon can't do that? Would you rather have a better chris crocker/mediocre safety, or a guy with the best ball skills in college football. I'll take my chances on a guy who has the best ball skills in college football. He's probably going to get picked by Jeff Fisher cause he has some huge nads and forms the best secondary in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='JC' timestamp='1357614155' post='1206262'] I don't think the guy has to put on weight. Sure it would be nice, but he isn't shying away from hitting anyone. He would probably come in and be one of our best tacklers. [/quote] He may be a good tackler but at 175 lbs he is going to take a beating at safety. Smaller NFL backs will have 30 pounds on him. He is going to get hurt a lot. He'll be useless on run plays pretty much because you can't put him in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Not sure Elam is what we need. Great run stopper but seems average in pass coverage and plays wreckless and undisciplined overall IMO. Also, multiple times I've seen him not ready for the snap because he was woofing at someone on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I just noticed that S Ray Ray Armstrong is available this year. He got kicked off of UM's team (some believe it was unwarranted) and played for a small school. He's 6'3 230ish and was heralded coming into college. Hopefully he gets an invite to the combine so we can see what he's about. He may be bigger and not the coverage player some are looking for but the kid had enough talent to be talked about as an early pick before he decided to return last year. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I remember watching him last year. Could of sworn he ended up entering the draft. Haven't watched him in forever but remember liking him more than TJ McDonald and the other guys in that talent range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I saw him on the Texas vs. The Nation roster. Just watched the two YouTube videos, OHST and CLEM, there was some good and some bad, but both the games were from 2010. Ideally, he's gotten better. Also read that he recently graduated from Miami, that's a character plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Switch him to LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Safeties Bacarri Rambo and Shawn Williams both worked out today, although [B]Williams was clearly the better of the two.[/B] Rambo was smooth and fluid in most of the positional drills, although he struggled in the pedal, turn and run drill which accentuated the slight stiffness in his hips. Displaying soft hands and good ball skills, it was easy to see how Rambo made so many big plays in pass coverage. [B]While Williams was not viewed as the same caliber athlete on film as Rambo, today he was quicker and decidedly better in all the drills. He did surprisingly well in the pedal, turn and run drills and made it look easy changing directions and flipping hips during the positional drills. Combining his strong workout today with his good college career and outstanding character and intangibles, a source at the workout told us that they think Williams could end up being a ten year starter in the NFL.[/B] http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/draft-blog.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 still say Williams will be a LB at the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 ala Thomas Davis, I could see that I guess but I think Williams is a lot more fluid of an athlete than Davis was.....I really like him as a coach on the field type S prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I'd rather have a "has the skills to be effective" type S. I don't think Williams fits as a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 eh, he can't cover like the top guys can but I think he does a little better than you give him credit for....he'll be a good 3rd rd pick for somebody IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 From Rotoworld: VACCARO VS CYPRIEN A few days ago, ESPN's Matt Williamson tweeted there could be 10 starting safeties in this year's draft class. It's an interesting theory because it's an astronomically-high number to project. It's also difficult to say who is the best in this class, let alone how all of them project to the NFL. Depending on how you view Florida International's Johnathan Cyprien, you might consider him the best pure safety in the class. But an argument can also be made for Texas' Kenny Vaccaro, who appears to be the top safety for most. Both are solid prospects but also fits for specific roles and teams. Some teams are in need of a true free safety that can control the deep real estate in between the numbers, while others are looking for one that can play in the slot and erase slot receivers from games. It's two different worlds, really, and that's why it's so difficult to rank the players. Cyprien may rank higher in one role but Vaccaro may in another one. Who's to say one is better than the other overall? General managers, that's who. They are drafting players for specifically their team, which has a specific role for each player in a specific scheme. So what is a Kenny Vaccaro's specific role in the future? Can he be a single-high safety or is ill-fit for it? What about as a split-field defender or in the slot? Slotting Vaccaro Vaccaro is best fit as a split-field safety or slot defender. He is not the ideal single-high safety as I see it. He can do the job, but I would like to see a safety with more range and discipline in that role, both of which he lacks. However, he is a very good prospect as a split-field safety and an even better one as a slot defender. A split-field safety can be defined as a two-high shell defender who covers only half of the field, such as in Cover 2 (five under, two deep zone). It's generally easier to find these types of defenders because they don't rely on range as much reading keys and being fundamentally sound. In the slot is where Vaccaro does his most damage. He has exceptional foot quickness, which enables him to mirror receivers seemingly with ease. That was obvious against West Virginia this past season, when he matched arguably the most dynamic receiver in the draft, Tavon Austin, step for step. It wasn't a fluke performance, either; he matched slot receivers effortlessly throughout the season. If a coach's job is to put his players in best position to succeed, then Vaccaro should be in the slot. That doesn't necessarily means he's limited, however, it just means that he's the most valuable defender in that alignment. C is for center-fielder While Vaccaro's best in the slot, Johnathan Cyprien is best as a single-high safety. What a single-high safety means is that he is the lone defender lined up in between the hashes and is responsible for the deep areas of the field. One example of this would be in Cover 1 (Man-Free). This type of coverage requires a safety who has range to cover from number to number, has fluid hips and ball skills to attack the football when it's in the air. These are all traits that Cyprien has. What makes Cyprien intriguing is that he can also play in the box as a run defender because he's physical and aggressive in reading his keys. He doesn't hesitate to attack downhill and can lay the wood in the process. For some, this is the reason why he's considered a better player than Vaccaro but as noted, it all goes back to what a team is looking for at the position. Finding the Right Fit If a team wants to draft Vaccaro, then they probably have another player who can play deep and cover ground while Vaccaro plays man coverage underneath. On the other hand, if a team drafts Cyprien, then they are probably looking to draft – if they don't already have one – a slot defender who can match up underneath. Overall, a case can be made for either one because they both excel in areas that are absolutely vital to winning games. It's just a matter of what you're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I'd be happy with Cyprien or Vaccaro or Elam with the 21st pick. Pretty awesome safety class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Pretty awesome safety class. which is why I'd much rather take one at 37 than at 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 which is why I'd much rather take one at 37 than at 21. Problem is you will probably miss out on the best part of the safety class; Vaccaro, Elam, Cyprien, Reid, if you wait until 37. Big drop off after the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Problem is you will probably miss out on the best part of the safety class; Vaccaro, Elam, Cyprien, Reid, if you wait until 37. Big drop off after the top 4. I really can't see all four being gone by 37 but I think they're going S or CB with that 21st pick anyhow, so it's a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I'd be happy with Cyprien or Vaccaro or Elam with the 21st pick. Pretty awesome safety class. I don't think Elam is in the same class with Cyprien and Vaccaro, Elam doesn't have the height or cover skills of those guys. I agree this is a good group of safeties but we can get a good one with the 53rd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I don't think Elam is in the same class with Cyprien and Vaccaro, Elam doesn't have the height or cover skills of those guys. I agree this is a good group of safeties but we can get a good one with the 53rd pick Elam is the second best cover safety in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Vaccaro is not going to make it to 21, and none of the others are truly worth 21. If we could trade back a few spots and take Reid I would be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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